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rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:31 am Post subject: Sun Shade

Members,

      I went to the  Southwest Regional Air Show held at Hondo, Texas and while I was there I saw a  sun shade that I should have gotten the name of the manufacture because for  drivers of airplanes that have a tear drop or bubble canopy, this is the perfect  sun shade.  I was just wondering if any of you on this list may have seen  one of these sun shades.  I will do my best to describe it.

      It was about 22  inches in diameter, black with suction cups around the edge and center when in  use.  When not in use all you have to do is twist it like a band saw blade  and it becomes about 5 1/2 inches in diameter. If any of you have ever seen one  of these and knows who the manufacture is, I would very much like to order one  of these sun shades

  

 Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx

 Building ZodiacXL

 Do not archive

nfivesl(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:10 am Post subject: Sun Shade

Bob:



I saw these at Sun-n Fun this year.  I thought they

were perfect also but didn't buy one since my canopy

was still in a box.  Now I wish I had.  Give me two

weeks and I'll find them at Oshkosh. I will buy one

this time.  



Scott Laughlin

601XL working on Canopy

Omaha, Nebraska

www.cooknwithgas.com

DO NOT ARCHIVE



--- "Robert L. Stone" <rstone4(at)hot.rr.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Members,

      I went to the Southwest Regional Air Show held

 at Hondo, Texas and while I was there I saw a sun

 shade 


	


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randy(at)shadycreekoutlaw
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:12 am Post subject: Sun Shade

There is a guy who reads this list from time to  time, Jim Olsen, who has one installed in his 601HDS...  He might be able  to elaborate on this...

  

 Randy

 XL Wings - Plans Only

 http://www.n344rb.com

 Do Not Archive

  

  

  

  

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PHFD400(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:32 am Post subject: Sun Shade

I tried the suction cup type of sun shade, you can get them at  the local auto parts stores.  I got tired of the little round spots left  from the suction cups, or falling off when you come in for a landing.  I  now have the slide sun shade the Van's aircraft uses on the RV-6 type  canopys.  I called the company (Kroger sun shade) that makes them for Van  and told them I needed about 12 inch longer shade.  He made one up for me  and it works great.  You can slide it back to the rear of the canopy and  lock in place by a small thumb type screw.  It is a light grey colored  material and slides on a "C" type aluminum channel that attaches to the top of  the canopy with double 3M type provided with the sun shade kit.  

 Very easy to install, just have to make sure you bend the sliding "C"  channel to the exact curvature of the top of your canopy.

  

 Here is the web site for the company, they will make up what ever size you  need.  I had them extend there stock item by 12 inches and it works great  on my 601HDS.

  

 http://cleavelandtool.com/kogercompany/sunshade.htm

  

 Jim Olson

 Murphy, NC

 CH601HDS   N56BJ  285 hrs

dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:39 am Post subject: Sun Shade

I haven't seen the twist-to-store one you describe but Vans retails a very convenient one that a friend uses in his RV7-A. It can be retracted with one hand without looking and is very effective under the greenhouse of the bubble canopy.

Click on the link below:



http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1136932743-0-756&browse=airframe&product=koger-shade



Ed Moody II

Rayne, LA

601XL / 2nd wing



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		     From: Robert L. Stone 

 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		     Members,

        I went to the Southwest Regional Air Show held at Hondo, Texas and while I was there I saw a sun shade that I should have gotten the name of the manufacture because for drivers of airplanes that have a tear drop or bubble canopy, this is the perfect sun shade.

rdewees(at)mindspring.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:55 am Post subject: Sun Shade

Bob,

If I understand correctly from your description- it's a spring bordered 

sun shade available at Auto Zone or K Mart, etc.  SUVs and cars pop them 

on windows to keep shade on kids and dogs etc.  I got a set of two small 

square ones and a larger foldable one for about $10 two years ago.  Mine 

has a Tweety Bird logo in it but is very sheer like fiberglass screen 

material and does a good job of shading my bald head from the sun.  You 

just pull on the suction cups  to relocate it for best sun relief.  

Heaven forbid that it was an aircraft part or it would start at $100 

bucks and have to have an IA install it.

Good luck

Ron



Robert L. Stone wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Members,

      I went to the Southwest Regional Air Show held at Hondo, Texas 

 and while I was there I saw a sun shade that I should have gotten the 

 name of the manufacture because for drivers of airplanes that have a 

 tear drop or bubble canopy, this is the perfect sun shade.  I was just 

 wondering if any of you on this list may have seen one of these sun 

 shades.  I will do my best to describe it.

      It was about 22 inches in diameter, black with suction cups 

 around the edge and center when in use.  When not in use all you have 

 to do is twist it like a band saw blade and it becomes about 5 1/2 

 inches in diameter. If any of you have ever seen one of these and 

 knows who the manufacture is, I would very much like to order one of 

 these sun shades

  

 Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx

 Building ZodiacXL

 Do not archive

nfivesl(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: Sun Shade

Bob:



I found the business card in my Sun-n Fun file.  Rosen

Visors.  Kathy Irvin is the Aviation Market Manager at

541-747-0034.  Here's the website for the thing you

were looking at I think:



http://www.rosenvisor.com/aviation/detail.asp?idproduct=114&idCategory=15&idSubCategory=33



It's called a crewshade.  



Scott Laughlin

601XL

Omaha, Nebraska

http://www.cooknwithgas.com/



--- "Robert L. Stone" <rstone4(at)hot.rr.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Members,

      I went to the Southwest Regional Air Show held

 at Hondo, Texas and while I was there I saw a sun

 shade 


	


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rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:32 pm Post subject: Sun Shade

Scott,

     I am sure the sales rep from the manufacture will be at Oshkosh and if 

you are able to locate him/her. please send me complete information so I can 

get one or two of those sun shades.  I don't know where you live but if it's 

down south you know what it's going to be like flying under a bubble canopy 

during the months of June thru September with the sun boiling your brains.



Bob Stone

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rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject: Sun Shade

 

 Hi Jim,

      Thanks for  your input, I think you are right about the suction cups not holding and the  shade falling in the pilot's face at a critical time so I think I will get one  of the shades you mentioned from Van's

  

 Bob Stone

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Tommy Walker

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 442
Location: Anniston, AL 36207

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:38 am Post subject: Sun Shade

701 Builders,

  

 Down here in the Sunny South:  http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&address=&city=Sunny+South&state=AL

 it gets quite warm during the summer.   I've thought about getting some of the film that installers use on windows to  cover my lexan skylight.  Has anyone tried that?

  

 Thanks and Do Not Archive

  

 Tommy Walker in Alabama

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N25A - Anniston, AL

dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: Sun Shade

The drawback with tinting is that it doesn't retract at night or other low visibility times. I'd go for the retractable shade, Tommy.



Ed



---- Tommy Walker <twalker(at)cableone.net> wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   it gets quite warm during the summer.  I've thought about getting some of

 the film that installers use on windows to cover my lexan skylight.  Has

 anyone tried that?


	


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randy(at)shadycreekoutlaw
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:21 am Post subject: Sun Shade

What about the tinted canopies some people use on the XL's...?  Do you think 

there'd be the same issue?  I'm debating this in the back of my mind, now, 

for when the time comes...



Thanks,



Randy

XL Wings - Plans Only

http://www.n344rb.com



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dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:48 am Post subject: Sun Shade

Yep, I had some misgivings about the standard tinted canopy for my XL kit because I want to be able to fly at night. However, flying in the demo I found that the tint was not very dark at all so I went along with that when I ordered. 



On the other hand, due to the minimal tint in the canopy, I will be installing some sort of sunshade, probably the Kroger shade which has been discussed here recently.



Ed



---- Randy Bryant <randy(at)shadycreekoutlaws.com> wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 What about the tinted canopies some people use on the XL's...?

rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: Sun Shade

Randy,

     If you are building your XL in compliance with the Light Sport Plane 

criteria, you cannot fly at night so a tinted canopy would be the way to go. 

That's the way I am going but I don't think a tinted canopy is going to keep 

the heat out as much as a shade so I plan to have both.  I agree with the 

member who says it's better to use the Van's sliding shade rather that the 

suction cup type for the same reasons  he stated.



Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx

Building an XL

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:34 pm Post subject: Sun Shade

No night flying is a restriction of a Sport Pilot license, not an LSA. You

can stick the needed lights on an LSA and fly it at night if you are a

private pilot.



-- Craig

jpellien

Joined: 24 Jun 2006
Posts: 21
Location: Basye, Virginia

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:02 pm Post subject: Sun Shade

What Craig says is true, but it is not a complete answer.  



To fly at night or in IFR conditions, you would need a fully certified

engine like the Rotax 912S.  The 912ULS is a non-certified engine and cannot

be used for night flight or for IFR.  The 912S can be used for night flight

and IFR.  It costs about $5K more for the certified engine (now we're up to

about $18K for that engine).  Also the airframe has to be certified by the

manufacturer as suitable for night flight.  



My Czech Aircraft Works 601XL SLSA has neither the correct engine nor the

airframe certification and cannot be flown IFR or at night, by anyone.



Once you have the correct engine and the airframe certification from the

manufacturer, then a private pilot can fly it IFR or at night if they have

received the proper training and sign-offs and are current for each flight

regime.



A Sport Pilot can never fly at night or in IFR conditions and these

limitations are absolute......they cannot be worked off with experience and

training and a logbook endorsement like some of the other SP limitations

like Class B,C,D airspace.



Just putting on lights and having the proper radios does not certify the

airframe for night flight and IFR.  I have strobe lights, position lights,

all of the required internal lighting, but the pilots operating handbook

still says I cannot use that aircraft at night.



Jim



Jim Pellien

Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes

Sky Bryce Airport (VG18)

Basye, VA

www.MASPL.com

703-313-4818

 



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Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
703-313-4818
703-851-9375
www.MASPL.com
"Learn-2-Fly-in-1-Week"

craig(at)craigandjean.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:30 pm Post subject: Sun Shade

Aren't there planes legally flying at night with the Jabiru (which doesn't

have a certified version)? I believe the "no night flight" restriction on

the non-certified Rotax comes from Rotax. Quoting from EAA Sport Aviation

magazine (page 11, Jan 2006): "Many S-LSA are equipped with Rotax engines,

whose operating instructions prohibit use at night or in IFR conditions

unless it is the FAA-type-certified engine (certificated to FAR Part 33)."



For that matter can't an XL with a Corvair legally fly at night? Isn't being

an experimental vs. an S-LSA a factor?



-- Craig

daberti(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:05 pm Post subject: Sun Shade

Where in the FAR's does it say that! 



message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim(at)pellien.com>



What Craig says is true, but it is not a complete answer.  



To fly at night or in IFR conditions, you would need a fully certified

engine like the Rotax 912S.

bjohnson(at)satx.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:05 pm Post subject: Sun Shade

The part of the EAA article that applied to the Jabiru was retracted after

Jabiru officials corrected them.  I have not seen any retraction for the

Rotax.  I'll have access to an sLSA POH with the 912ULs in a week or so, I

intend to give it a good read so see if I can find the night limitation...

Also this would ONLY apply to sLSA, eLSA or experimental AB are not

effected.



-Bruce



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jpellien

Joined: 24 Jun 2006
Posts: 21
Location: Basye, Virginia

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject: Sun Shade

Craig,



You are right about ELSA's not having any type of night/IFR restrictions.

The reason is that the airworthiness certificate for an ELSA lists the

"builder" (on Line D) of an ELSA as the person who bought the kit and built

it.....hence there is no liability (or lets say, a much reduced liability)

to the manufacturer of the kit.  Whereas, the manufacturer of an SLSA is

listed as the "builder" on line D of the Airworthiness Certificate.....hence

they are liable if something goes wrong and it is traced back to a design or

fabrication fault that they caused.  This is why some manufacturers put in

their operating handbooks the limitations that they do....to limit their

risk....and not jeopardize the "bottom line" through lawsuits.  



An SLSA cannot be flown legally IFR or Night, by anybody, if the pilots

operating handbook (POH) says otherwise.....and in the case of SLSA's, as

opposed to Part-23 certified aircraft,  the handbook is self-produced by the

manufacturer and must cover all of the required ASTM material in the proper

formats.  However, if a manufacturer wants to limit his SLSA aircraft's

legal performance envelope in any way to limit his post-production

liability, he can do so through the POH.  Let the buyer beware.  You should

not purchase an SLSA without first reading the POH from cover to cover. For

an ELSA, the POH, I believe, is produced by the builder, you, and it is up

to you what you put into the POH.



COMMENTS?



Jim



Jim Pellien

Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes

Sky Bryce Airport (VG18)

Basye, VA

www.MASPL.com

703-313-4818

 



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Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
703-313-4818
703-851-9375
www.MASPL.com
"Learn-2-Fly-in-1-Week"

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