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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:47 am Post subject: Europa-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 02/02/17

This is probably mentioned somewhere, but I missed it.  Has anyone done a study of the Europa XS Mono glide ratio?  I would be interested in the glide ratio with a feathered prop and a non-feathered prop.

I would like to make a 50-mile crossing of Lake Michigan.   And survive.



Donald Ingram



A204



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     1. 03:46 AM - Painting  (William Daniell)

     2. 06:16 AM - Re: Painting  (rampil)

     3. 07:05 AM - Aluminium spec  (flyingphil2)

     4. 12:36 PM - Re: Painting  (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk)

     5. 03:24 PM - Re: Dynon Pitot/AOA  (carlp101)

     6. 03:33 PM - Re: EUROPA XS GAS STRUTS  (carlp101)

     7. 03:43 PM - Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe  (carlp101)



________________________________  Message 1  _____________________________________

Time: 03:46:53 AM PST US

From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com>

Subject: Painting



Finally after 12 years ....HJ460 is now in its hangar awaiting paint.  We

fired up the engine and the dynon and much to my surprise everthing works



I realize that this is not over and I have merely completed phase 1.



HJ460 is a "fast build" (hahahaha) with gel coat over wings and fuselage

and the cloth flying surfaces are filled and sanded.  She has the minor

dings and epoxy drips from 12 years of constructions.



PAINTING  the plan suggested by the Colombian painter is



   - sand gel coat with fine paper

   - fill all visible dings with micro

   - apply epoxy primer

   - sand

   - fill with polyester filler

   - re primer

   - paint (white) with aircraft paint.

   - Lacquer on top



Any input gratefully received.  Does this sound like a plan?  Is polyester

car filler appropriate?



Many thanks



WIll

William Daniell

LONGPORT

+57 310 295 0744



________________________________  Message 2  _____________________________________

Time: 06:16:35 AM PST US

Subject: Re: Painting

From: "rampil" <ira.rampil(at)gmail.com>

I would not mix chemistries. Use expo micro, not polyester for filling.



When you say aircraft paint, you realize that there are dozens of different

kinds of aircraft paint, some suitable for fabric, some for metal and composite.



I recommend Dupont Imron with Clearcoat finish.  This is my choice as it is

extremely hard and scratch resistant. It is expensive and is (cyanide) toxic. Have

a professional spray it for you. My 13 year old is still looking good.



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Ira N224XS

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________________________________  Message 3  _____________________________________

Time: 07:05:01 AM PST US

Subject: Aluminium spec

From: "flyingphil2" <flyingphil627-europastuff(at)yahoo.co.uk>

I'm sure this was discussed before but I can't find the posting.



Could someone advise what the material spec is for the aluminium used on the instrument

module sub panels (and also the flap brackets)?



Thanks,



Phil

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________________________________  Message 4  _____________________________________

Time: 12:36:22 PM PST US

From: davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk

Subject: Re: Painting

William, If you use gel coat there is just a single layer to spray on

and then you wet & dry sand most of it off, going progressively through

400, 1200 and 2000 grit to produce the most superb and very durable

finirsh. You do not need any primer or UV barrier as gel coat includes

those.



Regards, David, GXSDJ



On 2017-02-02 11:45, William Daniell wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Finally after 12 years ....HJ460 is now in its hangar awaiting paint. We fired

up the engine and the dynon and much to my surprise everthing works
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  

 I realize that this is not over and I have merely completed phase 1.



 HJ460 is a "fast build" (hahahaha) with gel coat over wings and fuselage and

the cloth flying surfaces are filled and sanded. She has the minor dings and epoxy
	


drips from 12 years of constructions.

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 PAINTING the plan suggested by the Colombian painter is



 * sand gel coat with fine paper

 * fill all visible dings with micro

 * apply epoxy primer

 * sand

 * fill with polyester filler

 * re primer

 * paint (white) with aircraft paint.

 * Lacquer on top



 Any input gratefully received. Does this sound like a plan? Is polyester car

filler appropriate? Many thanks
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  

 WIll



 William Daniell LONGPORT



 +57 310 295 0744


	


________________________________  Message 5  _____________________________________

Time: 03:24:59 PM PST US

Subject: Re: Dynon Pitot/AOA

From: "carlp101" <cparkinson(at)cisc-uk.com>

Hi all,



I took delivery of my Dynon heated pitot/AOA probe today. I'm aiming to replace

the existing pitot with this one. As Dynon says the tip of the probe can be anywhere

from 2-12 inches from the leading edge, approx 6 inches below the wing

surface and half way along the wing, I think this location will be OK. I'll measure

it tomorrow.



As I have a classic wing the next challenge will be fitting the probe and the wiring.

I'll give Andy Draper a call too to get his advice, but hopefully I can

use the existing mounting and modify the mounting tube I also got from Dynon.



I have just finished adding my cabin lighting (red dimable LED), so the heated

pitot should be the final bit of kit I need before I'm ready to apply for the

removal of the VFR restriction. Wish me luck as I may be first-of-type.



All the best.

Carl

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________________________________  Message 6  _____________________________________

Time: 03:33:57 PM PST US

Subject: Re: EUROPA XS GAS STRUTS

From: "carlp101" <cparkinson(at)cisc-uk.com>

Hi Bill,



I called IGS and sent them the details of my struts. They came back and said they

could not re-gas them because they were custom struts made for Europa. They

said I had to contact them. Have you had yours returned yet? Are they OK? Do

you have a contact at IGS I could speak to?



Many thanks

Carl

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________________________________  Message 7  _____________________________________

Time: 03:43:15 PM PST US

Subject: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

From: "carlp101" <cparkinson(at)cisc-uk.com>

Hi Roland,



I'm interested in this three day trip, but I've never flown in Europe. Do you know

if anyone else from the UK has shown an interest in this event? I'd appreciate

tagging along with someone who has some experience (plus it would be more

fun).



Regards

Carl

G-URMS

Roland wrote:

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		   Hi David and all,



 after reply from Jens I'm pleased to let you know, that all Europa-pilots are

very welcome at the OUV-summer meeting, which will take place at
	


[quote]

 Bad Drkheim EDRF from 16th-18th June 2017



 Mogas is available at EDRF and no landing fees will be charged on arrival

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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:30 am Post subject: Re: Europa-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 02/02/17

Don,



Heather seems to recall 14 to 1.



We cross Lake Michigan routinely.  Just climb to at least 8000 ft and you'll easily be able to glide to the closest shore.  We also fly north up the center of the lake going to the Upper Peninsula since you always are no more than 25 miles from the shore line.  Obviously you need to be aware of your location and what the winds aloft are.



We also wear life preservers.  Ours are the type that look like suspenders and are manually inflated.  Better to die from hypothermia than drowning  . 



Jim & Heather

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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:46 am Post subject: Re: Europa-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 02/02/17

Have you considered measuring the glide ratio yourself, in your aircraft.

The results are going to depend on your weight, finish quality of your

paint, degree of out of rig trim drag, type of prop, etc, etc, etc.



Since the Europa is not a factory aircraft, there really is no such thing

as a standard value and over the years, many of the promotional values

were found to be simply aspirational for most builders.

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houlihan(at)blueyonder.co
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:47 am Post subject: Europa-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 02/02/17

Don.

regarding your over water trip

"We cross Lake Michigan routinely. Just climb to at least 8000 ft and you'll easily be able to glide to the closest shore"

Dont forget the Europa has been demonstrated to float very well if it is ditched intact.

Tim H 

G-BZTH. 	  Quote: 	
		  

On 05 February 2017 at 13:30 "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> wrote:

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Don,



Heather seems to recall 14 to 1.



We cross Lake Michigan routinely. Just climb to at least 8000 ft and you'll easily be able to glide to the closest shore. We also fly north up the center of the lake going to the Upper Peninsula since you always are no more than 25 miles from the shore line. Obviously you need to be aware of your location and what the winds aloft are.



We also wear life preservers. Ours are the type that look like suspenders and are manually inflated. Better to die from hypothermia than drowning  . 



Jim & Heather





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