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2thesky
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 Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:53 am Post subject: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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I was just wondering what some of you guys running 912S and Jab3300 engines are seeing for empty weights on completed XL's. Also, how does the 3300 compare to the 912 for fuel consumption? And lastly, A guy told me that the XL was a VERY tail heavy airplane and that a 912S and my "pleasantly plump" frame would be a bad idea. I weigh in at 255, (down from 305) but I am planning to get below 215 and then order a kit as a reward to myself. Problem is that some of my buddies are fat like I am now. The way I figure it for example's sake is that if the factory claims of 600 pounds of useful are true, then two hefties at 500 lbs total still leaves 100lbs for fuel. OR does that create a dangerously aft C.G. condition? Do I need to be considering a Warrior instead of a "real"airplane that isn't a holdover from the 60's.? LOL (A little jab at the certified dinosaurs!) Since getting a ride in a Kitfox and then an RV-6, I really don't want a certified airplane. I am flying a 160 hp Warrior now, but the handling, performance and economy pale in comparison to the homebuilts that I have been around so far. I am thinking of going to the open hangar day to see the cool looking little XL in person, but nothing is nailed down yet.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:20 am Post subject: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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The useful load in a Czech factory-built Zenair 601XL SLSA with the Rotax 912S 100 hp engine is 591 lbs. 30 gallons of fuel capacity. With full fuel the usefil load is 411 lbs. With 10 gallons of gas aboard, the useful load is 531 lbs. I weigh 235 and have had a customer who weighs 225 and about 10 lbs baggage in the rear compartment and 15 gallons of fuel, and there were no CG problems I could discern. The W&B was fine.
By the way, this airplane is for sale...9 months old, loaded and only 350 hours flight time. If interested please contact me off-list.
Thanks,
Jim
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
Sky Bryce Airport - Basye, VA
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:42 am Post subject: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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Don't wait to get your weight down. Start building now and you will be down
by the time you/re done.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:19 am Post subject: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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Yep, particularly if you don't stop to eat while you build! It has been working that way for me. The more you work on the airplane, the less time you spend staring into the fridge as if it was a television!
If that doesn't work, don't allow yourself to fly until you hit your target weight.
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frank.hinde(at)hp.com
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:49 am Post subject: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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Yes but the time you have for exercise gets cut drasically...I found I
had to be enrolled in an exercise class that forces me to go and work
out twice a week...But I can tell you all I'm thinking about while in
the gym is slamming some more rivets....
Frank
HDS 400hours..Sold
RV7a final details and paint wings...And fly
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Yep, particularly if you don't stop to eat while you build! It has been
working that way for me. The more you work on the airplane, the less
time you spend staring into the fridge as if it was a television!
If that doesn't work, don't allow yourself to fly until you hit your
target weight.
Ed
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larry(at)macsmachine.com
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:58 am Post subject: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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Hi guys,
Don't want to start a health clinic, but I've been running 2-miles every
other day before breakfast.
It slows the metabolism a bit and gives you the endurance for going
strong without building an appetite.
When I'm pairing off weight, I have to run every day, which does slow
you down after about 8 weeks.
Seems running first thing also keeps your focus sharp later in the day
which is important for a builder.
If you really need energy and want to loose weight, go on a fruit diet
where you only eat fruit for breakfast
and lunch and anything you want after 1:00 p.m. I went from 235 to 185
that way about 10 years ago.
That diet will give you excess energy all day and your weight loss will
be slow and steady.
Your mileage may vary,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS - stripping and repriming, great fun!
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Yes but the time you have for exercise gets cut drasically...I found I
had to be enrolled in an exercise class that forces me to go and work
out twice a week...But I can tell you all I'm thinking about while in
the gym is slamming some more rivets....
Frank
HDS 400hours..Sold
RV7a final details and paint wings...And fly
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Yep, particularly if you don't stop to eat while you build! It has been
working that way for me. The more you work on the airplane, the less
time you spend staring into the fridge as if it was a television!
If that doesn't work, don't allow yourself to fly until you hit your
target weight.
Ed
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gboothe(at)calply.com
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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I find 15 cups of coffee and a handful of donuts keeps me going just fine.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, working on wings....
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..I've been running 2-miles every
other day before breakfast...
It ... gives you the endurance for going
strong without building an appetite....
Your mileage may vary,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS - stripping and repriming, great fun!
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Yes but the time you have for exercise gets cut drasically...I found I
had to be enrolled in an exercise class that forces me to go and work
out twice a week...But I can tell you all I'm thinking about while in
the gym is slamming some more rivets....
Frank
HDS 400hours..Sold
RV7a final details and paint wings...And fly
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Yep, particularly if you don't stop to eat while you build! It has been
working that way for me. The more you work on the airplane, the less
time you spend staring into the fridge as if it was a television!
If that doesn't work, don't allow yourself to fly until you hit your
target weight.
Ed
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Jaybannist(at)cs.com
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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Now, there's a man after my own heart!
Not sure who said it, but it is told that everyone, at birth, is given a finite number of heartbeats. You guys out there running and such nonsense are just "wasting heartbeats"! (I do walk; and get in my squats and bend-overs on the XL)
Jay in Dallas
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pacificpainting(at)comcas
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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Or, as my 57 year old brother that is really good condition would say, "I'll be the best looking corpse at the funeral parlor.
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randy(at)shadycreekoutlaw
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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If any of you guys sees me out there running up and down the road...STOP and help me! 1 of 2 bad things have happened: Either I'm out of gas, or if you look just behind me, something really big and mean will be chasing me!
Randy
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gboothe(at)calply.com
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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Figured I’d start running when I saw a runner smiling…
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, working on wings....
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If any of you guys sees me out there running up and down the road...STOP and help me! 1 of 2 bad things have happened: Either I'm out of gas, or if you look just behind me, something really big and mean will be chasing me!
Randy
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http://www.n344rb.com
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Now, there's a man after my own heart!
Not sure who said it, but it is told that everyone, at birth, is given a finite number of heartbeats. You guys out there running and such nonsense are just "wasting heartbeats"! (I do walk; and get in my squats and bend-overs on the XL)
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lgingell
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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My XL/Jab3300 was about 712lbs. With full fuel, and me, I'm right at the forward CG.
I'm 120lbs. I drink beer and eat as much as possible, but can't put on weight. Please take pity on my and my C.G. problems 
I've since painted and added some wheel paints. I'll weigh-in again soon.
Cheers,
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hrs1(at)frontiernet.net
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:51 am Post subject: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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Jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
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Not sure who said it, but it is told that everyone, at birth, is given
a finite number of heartbeats. You guys out there running and such
nonsense are just "wasting heartbeats"! (I do walk; and get in my
squats and bend-overs on the XL)
Jay in Dallas
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admin(at)arachnidrobotics
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:43 am Post subject: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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I'm not sure who said it either, but I'm guessing he came up with it in front of a TV Dinner and a 6-pack. If we're given a finite number of heart beats, I should have died long ago. lol Between three sports a year from grade school through high school and College wrestling and football through four years of college, I think I've used 'em up! Funny, but I'm still going strong! : )
Keep up the exercise guys, and we'll be the 95 year olds walking past the 65 year old guys in the 'lil rascals scooters on oxygen. Work, it does a body good...
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Jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote: | Quote: | Now, there's a man after my own heart!
Not sure who said it, but it is told that everyone, at birth, is given a finite number of heartbeats. You guys out there running and such nonsense are just "wasting heartbeats"! (I do walk; and get in my squats and bend-overs on the XL)
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2thesky
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:06 am Post subject: Re: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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You guys are all sick! I post a question about airplanes, my favorite...uh-hum...second favorite thing, and you guys start talking about EXERCISE?!?!?!? THe reason I have hobbies is to keep me from doing such horrific things. Come to think of it, though, I have been doing lots of 12 ounce curls. Running? Only if Krispy Kreme is getting ready to close or there is a bus load of people headed for the buffet! I have heard of a "runners high" that they get after running a couple of miles. I get the same thing out of a flight of stairs. I tell folks that the reason for my large middle is that I need a low center of gravity for my job, or that when you have a tool like mine, you got to build a shed over it.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:33 pm Post subject: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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Gents if you happen to see me running down the road, it is due to the fact that my wife just found out how much I spent on the instrument panel ! Don’t stop ! Just back up and run me over ! It will be a more humane death then at the hands of a woman wanting a hot tub but lost over the planes panel!
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president(at)can-zacaviation.com (president(at)can-zacaviation.com)
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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"It will be a more humane death then at the hands of a woman wanting a hot tub but lost"
A really grave error has been committed here, a stark choice of where money is to be distributed. The mistake is common, it happens often. I learned long ago what is the right choice. I am involved with several airplanes, but I fully understand the path that should be followed. To do otherwise is to try to alter a basic fact of the universe. I'm as cheap as anyone when it comes to most things. I shop hard and try to stretch my dollars as far as possible. Airplanes are a driving force in my life, but I don't assume to deny THE driving force. Alas, even aviation takes a back seat to this undeniable force that drives us all. One place I have never been miserly, the one area where money should never be spared and should take precedence over all other investments is this:
I have never spared any expense, in any area, for any thing, that encourages women to take their clothes off.
A hot tub is one of the best investments in this endeavor. I bought one years ago and the investment has paid off handsomely. Small investments in this direction, allow huge aviation investments to flow.
Please forgive me,
I couldn't resist,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:28 am Post subject: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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You're in Las Vegas and you have to spend money on a hot tub to get women to disrobe? Hmmm....... something is amiss here.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:32 am Post subject: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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Tell her that the instruments allow you to divert your attention to her inflight.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject: A couple of 601XL Questions |
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My mistake, I used the term "Women". I meant "Wives".
Women in Las Vegas are like Women everywhere else; Money talks and poor,
homely clods like me walk.
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