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Bill & Sue

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 48
Location: Malvern, Worcs. UK (Defford, Croft Farm)

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:31 am Post subject: Mogas /94UL

Unleaded fuel on tap at airfields seems hard to locate in Europe generally -of course it may be because I'm not looking properly or it is not very well advertised.

I realise the odd tank of 100LL won't be a disaster but I'd rather avoid putting it in my 912 if I can.

Since Europa pilots are some of the most experienced travellers with rotax engines can I tap into the collective knowledge to see if anyone has any tips on obtaining Mogas, 94UL or 91/96UL -particularly in France? 



Thanks,



Bill

tennant

Joined: 19 Apr 2011
Posts: 121

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:54 am Post subject: Re: Mogas /94UL

Hi Bill,



In Germany you can find many airfields that have "Super Plus" to EN 228 - 98 Octane. I do not think, but am not sure, if we have "UL" grades.



Barry

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Remi Guerner

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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:24 am Post subject: Re: Mogas /94UL

Bill,

Here is the list of the 16 airfields which have UL91 in France.

http://www.total.fr/mes-deplacements/aviation/essence-aviation/avgas-ul-91.html

For UK:  http://www.total.fr/mes-deplacements/aviation/essence-aviation/avgas-ul-91.html

Remi

Burrilla

Joined: 25 Apr 2015
Posts: 187

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:14 am Post subject: Mogas /94UL

Just a thought but could these links be added to the Europa Club Website please?



Alan Burrill



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		   On 2 Mar 2017, at 08:24, Remi Guerner <air.guerner(at)orange.fr> wrote:

 

 

 

 Bill,

 Here is the list of the 16 airfields which have UL91 in France.

 http://www.total.fr/mes-deplacements/aviation/essence-aviation/avgas-ul-91.html

 For UK:  http://www.total.fr/mes-deplacements/aviation/essence-aviation/avgas-ul-91.html

 Remi

 

 

 

 

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tennant

Joined: 19 Apr 2011
Posts: 121

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:07 am Post subject: Re: Mogas /94UL

I checked a bit and found this.

http://www.total.de/kraftstoffe/privatkunden-flugkraftstoffe/privatkunden-flugplatzfinder.html

It may be of help.



Barry

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Roland

Joined: 30 Nov 2009
Posts: 334
Location: EDLE

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: Mogas /94UL

For Germany there is a good MOGAS-chart available



http://www.eddh.de/x-files/dl_files/d-mogas_190416.pdf



The same for Austria



http://www.eddh.de/x-files/dl_files/a-mogas_220514.pdf



Regards

Roland

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tennant

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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:04 am Post subject: Re: Mogas /94UL

Nice map Roland.



You can see that we have very few UL91 stations and we mostly fly on normal car petrol.

Personally, if minus temps. or over 30deg C are possible I use Avgas.



Barry

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tennant

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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:05 am Post subject: Re: Mogas /94UL

Nice map Roland.



You can see that we have very few UL91 stations and we mostly fly on normal car petrol.

Personally, if minus temps. or over 30deg C are possible I use Avgas.



Barry

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Roland

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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:57 am Post subject: Re: Mogas /94UL

Hello Barry,

my Rotax 914 is perfectly happy with 95 Octane Premium from the car station also >30°C OAT and up to FL200. Must depend on the Rotax model . I well remember your story from Wershofen, when you had to change your pants after landing due to vapour-lock. Generally the Rotax doesn't like 100LL at all and I avoid it whenever possible.

Incidentally - will you visit or exhibit at the AERO? I guess I'll be there on thursday.

Regards

Roland

PH-ZTI 

XS TG 914

Bill & Sue

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Malvern, Worcs. UK (Defford, Croft Farm)

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:31 am Post subject: Re: Mogas /94UL

Thanks to all for some very helpful information.

After seeing the Total maps I did try to sign up for a Total card and received this, plus 6 attachments of forms and 'guidance'. Apart from wanting to sell me 100LL, it would seem from this they are not that keen on new customers, Oh well!





 



To finalize your registration, thanks to return us:



 



-          The registration form here attached, fully filled, dated and signed,



-          A proof of transfer of the deposit to our bank account (details in the attached file “RIB AVIATION GARANTIE.pdf”) ,



-          Your bank account details (a document certifying that the bank account belongs to you). The owner of the bank account must be the person mentioned in the contract.



-          The SEPA authorization. Fill particularly the IBAN/BIC field, date and sign.



Please note that your bank might not accept SEPA. In this case, we won’t be able to deliver you an Air Total Card, since payments are made by direct debit through SEPA.



-          A copy on both sides of your aircraft registration, mentioning the fuel requested (AVGAS 100 LL),



-          A copy on both sides of your ID Card or Passport,



-          A proof of address issued within the last 3 months (in the form of an original utility bill like gas, electricity, phone or council tax).



 



Thanks to return all documents by mail, at the following address:



 



TOTAL MARKETING FRANCE



Direction aviation - Service Clients - Bureau A1322



24, Cours Michelet



92069  PARIS LA DEFENSE CEDEX - FRANCE

Do not send by e-mail, as we need original documents to proceed to your registration



(Plus a deposit of 200€ !)

cakeykev(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:14 am Post subject: Mogas /94UL

The total card makes such a difference. Refuel at any time (Self service) including lunch times! 



It makes traveling in France quick and easy. Once you have the Total card it's easy no extra forms every year. 



I know French bureaucracy is a little frustrating. 



I use AVGas when over there, I know it decreases time to overhaul but the 912S runs fine I thing mine runs a little better if anything. 



Kevin Challis

G ODJG 

 	  Quote: 	
		   On 4 Mar 2017, at 16:31, Bill &amp; Sue <Billandsue(at)billbell.co.uk> wrote:

 

 

 

 Thanks to all for some very helpful information.

 After seeing the Total maps I did try to sign up for a Total card and received this, plus 6 attachments of forms and 'guidance'. Apart from wanting to sell me 100LL, it would seem from this they are not that keen on new customers, Oh well!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 To finalize your registration, thanks to return us:

 

 

 

 -          The registration form here attached, fully filled, dated and signed,

 

 -          A proof of transfer of the deposit to our bank account (details in the attached file “RIB AVIATION GARANTIE.pdf”) ,

 

 -          Your bank account details (a document certifying that the bank account belongs to you). The owner of the bank account must be the person mentioned in the contract.

 

 -          The SEPA authorization. Fill particularly the IBAN/BIC field, date and sign.

 

 Please note that your bank might not accept SEPA. In this case, we won’t be able to deliver you an Air Total Card, since payments are made by direct debit through SEPA.

 

 -          A copy on both sides of your aircraft registration, mentioning the fuel requested (AVGAS 100 LL),

 

 -          A copy on both sides of your ID Card or Passport,

 

 -          A proof of address issued within the last 3 months (in the form of an original utility bill like gas, electricity, phone or council tax).

 

 

 

 Thanks to return all documents by mail, at the following address:

 

 

 

 TOTAL MARKETING FRANCE

 

 Direction aviation - Service Clients - Bureau A1322

 

 24, Cours Michelet

 

 92069  PARIS LA DEFENSE CEDEX - FRANCE

 

 

 Do not send by e-mail, as we need original documents to proceed to your registration

 

 (Plus a deposit of 200€ !)

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

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tennant

Joined: 19 Apr 2011
Posts: 121

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: Mogas /94UL

Roland,



Not at Aero this year.



Barry

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