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ceengland7(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:01 am Post subject: road transport question

Well, after mostly lurking here for many years, and somewhat passively searching for a Kolb for most of that time, I've found a formerly flying project a/c. It's a complete 582 powered Twinstar, but it's completely disassembled.  



My question for those who have moved projects is this: How much space is needed for transport? The wings & tail are still covered, so they're complete but disassembled. The cage is off the tailboom (already sandblasted & repainted). Could this project be transported using, for instance, a mid size car towing a small 5' x 8' utility trailer (typically used to haul golf carts/ UTV's)? I'd obviously need to build a rack for the wings/tail/fuselage tube. I know weight shouldn't be an issue, but size concerns me.

What about a standard pickup truck, with a rack on it (no trailer)?

Thanks,

Charlie

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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:38 am Post subject: road transport question

Ellery Batchelder had a couple of photos showing one on a standard pickup truck, with a rack.  You could probably also use a U-Haul car trailer.

  Does the plane have an N number?  if not, it might be a problem.



                                                           Bill Sullivan

                                                           Windsor Locks, Ct.

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On Sat, 3/18/17, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> wrote:



 Subject: road transport question

  Could this project be

 transported using, for instance, a mid size car towing a

 small 5' x 8' utility trailer (typically used to

 haul golf carts/ UTV's)? I'd obviously need to build

 a rack for the wings/tail/fuselage tube. I know weight

 shouldn't be an issue, but size concerns me.

 What about a standard pickup truck, with a rack

 on it (no trailer)?

 Thanks,

 Charlie

ceengland7(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:10 am Post subject: road transport question

On 3/18/2017 11:34 AM, william sullivan wrote:

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    Ellery Batchelder had a couple of photos showing one on a standard pickup truck, with a rack.  You could probably also use a U-Haul car trailer.

    Does the plane have an N number?  if not, it might be a problem.



                                                             Bill Sullivan

                                                             Windsor Locks, Ct.



It is N numbered; belongs to a friend, so I'm fairly confident on the 
	


paperwork front.



I've got another trailer that was custom built to haul a Thorp T-18, but 

it hasn't been on the road in at least 20 years so I don't really want 

to go there... I'm trying for either something light enough to pull 

behind a 4cyl car, or loaded in/on a rental pickup. Hauling something as 

heavy as a car hauler trailer gets gas prohibitive really quick; the 

plane is ~600 miles away.



If it's been done on a pickup, my 5x8 trailer should work fine.



Many thanks,



Charlie

Herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:21 am Post subject: road transport question

Charlie



   Find yourself a decent boat trailer...reinstall the wings and support 

them at the rear...three or four feet in front of the tail... lay a 2x12 

toward the front to hold the main gear...same at the rear with a pedstal 

that is well cushioned to hold the boom tube...roll/lift it on and fold 

the wings last...I use good strength , winching type straps to hold the 

wheels and 2/12's in place..Herb

On 03/18/2017 01:11 PM, Charlie England wrote:

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 On 3/18/2017 11:34 AM, william sullivan wrote:

> 

> <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>

>

>    Ellery Batchelder had a couple of photos showing one on a standard 

> pickup truck, with a rack.  You could probably also use a U-Haul car 

> trailer.

>    Does the plane have an N number?  if not, it might be a problem.

>

>                                                             Bill 

> Sullivan

> Windsor Locks, Ct.

>

 It is N numbered; belongs to a friend, so I'm fairly confident on the 

 paperwork front.



 I've got another trailer that was custom built to haul a Thorp T-18, 

 but it hasn't been on the road in at least 20 years so I don't really 

 want to go there... I'm trying for either something light enough to 

 pull behind a 4cyl car, or loaded in/on a rental pickup. Hauling 

 something as heavy as a car hauler trailer gets gas prohibitive really 

 quick; the plane is ~600 miles away.



 If it's been done on a pickup, my 5x8 trailer should work fine.



 Many thanks,



 Charlie




	


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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:38 am Post subject: road transport question

Charlie I pulled a 24 foot home made trailer with a firestar ii from Lincoln Neb with a Subaru legacy to Klamath Falls Oregon. The key is - can you keep the wings from being damaged. The cage and the rest should be no problem. I hauled mine with it only folded.Larry

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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 On 3/18/2017 11:34 AM, william sullivan wrote:

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    Ellery Batchelder had a couple of photos showing one on a standard pickup truck, with a rack.  You could probably also use a U-Haul car trailer.

    Does the plane have an N number?  if not, it might be a problem.

 

                                                             Bill Sullivan

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 It is N numbered; belongs to a friend, so I'm fairly confident on the paperwork front.

 

 I've got another trailer that was custom built to haul a Thorp T-18, but it hasn't been on the road in at least 20 years so I don't really want to go there... I'm trying for either something light enough to pull behind a 4cyl car, or loaded in/on a rental pickup. Hauling something as heavy as a car hauler trailer gets gas prohibitive really quick; the plane is ~600 miles away.

 

 If it's been done on a pickup, my 5x8 trailer should work fine.

 

 Many thanks,

 

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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:19 am Post subject: road transport question

Having owned, built and flown a twinstar. I'd say that I'd try find something fully enclosed. That being said, if you could put the cage and stuff like the engine, etc. in the pickup bed? The wings could be transported in good wing rack, wing facing forward towards the truck. Should really pad and cover well. If damage a wing it will be really bad news. Attached is a picture of my shop wing rack.

Have a great day!



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		   On Mar 18, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

 Well, after mostly lurking here for many years, and somewhat passively searching for a Kolb for most of that time, I've found a formerly flying project a/c. It's a complete 582 powered Twinstar, but it's completely disassembled.  

 

 My question for those who have moved projects is this: How much space is needed for transport? The wings & tail are still covered, so they're complete but disassembled. The cage is off the tailboom (already sandblasted & repainted). Could this project be transported using, for instance, a mid size car towing a small 5' x 8' utility trailer (typically used to haul golf carts/ UTV's)? I'd obviously need to build a rack for the wings/tail/fuselage tube. I know weight shouldn't be an issue, but size concerns me.

 

 What about a standard pickup truck, with a rack on it (no trailer)?

 

 Thanks,

 

 Charlie

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ceengland7(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:49 pm Post subject: road transport question

Sounds good, if it was an assembled a/c. It's not. As I said, the 

individual components are complete, but the cage is bare; not mounted to 

the big tube, and nothing is attached to anything else. Right now it's 

just a big quickbuild kit. 



If the wings are around 15', it would seem that it's doable on the 8' 

trailer if I use a bit of overhang on both ends.



Charlie



On 3/18/2017 1:20 PM, Herb wrote:

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 Charlie



   Find yourself a decent boat trailer...reinstall the wings and 

 support them at the rear...three or four feet in front of the tail... 

 lay a 2x12 toward the front to hold the main gear...same at the rear 

 with a pedstal that is well cushioned to hold the boom 

 tube...roll/lift it on and fold the wings last...I use good strength , 

 winching type straps to hold the wheels and 2/12's in place..Herb

 On 03/18/2017 01:11 PM, Charlie England wrote:

> 

>

> On 3/18/2017 11:34 AM, william sullivan wrote:

>> 

>> <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>

>>

>>    Ellery Batchelder had a couple of photos showing one on a 

>> standard pickup truck, with a rack.  You could probably also use a 

>> U-Haul car trailer.

>>    Does the plane have an N number?  if not, it might be a problem.

>>

>> Bill Sullivan

>> Windsor Locks, Ct.

>>

> It is N numbered; belongs to a friend, so I'm fairly confident on the 

> paperwork front.

>

> I've got another trailer that was custom built to haul a Thorp T-18, 

> but it hasn't been on the road in at least 20 years so I don't really 

> want to go there... I'm trying for either something light enough to 

> pull behind a 4cyl car, or loaded in/on a rental pickup. Hauling 

> something as heavy as a car hauler trailer gets gas prohibitive 

> really quick; the plane is ~600 miles away.

>

> If it's been done on a pickup, my 5x8 trailer should work fine.

>

> Many thanks,

>

> Charlie

>

ceengland7(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:56 pm Post subject: road transport question

Thanks for the pic; looks just like       what we RV-x guys use for our wings. Are you saying that the rack       pictured would be adequate for road transport of the wings? Are       the leading edges strong enough to support the wing weight on a       couple of 8-10" wide carpet strips? If so, that would simplify my       task considerably. The rest of the stuff I can deal with, but the       wings concern me. I was envisioning something more like a couple       of heavily padded shelves as big as the wing(s).

       

       On 3/18/2017 2:19 PM, George Helton wrote:

     

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		  Having owned, built and flown a twinstar. I'd say that I'd try find something fully enclosed. That being said, if you could put the cage and stuff like the engine, etc. in the pickup bed? The wings could be transported in good wing rack, wing facing forward towards the truck. Should really pad and cover well. If damage a wing it will be really bad news. Attached is a picture of my shop wing rack.

	
       

              

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Have a great day!



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		  On Mar 18, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> (ceengland7(at)gmail.com) wrote:



Well, after mostly lurking here for many years, and somewhat passively searching for a Kolb for most of that time, I've found a formerly flying project a/c. It's a complete 582 powered Twinstar, but it's completely disassembled.  



My question for those who have moved projects is this: How much space is needed for transport? The wings & tail are still covered, so they're complete but disassembled. The cage is off the tailboom (already sandblasted & repainted). Could this project be transported using, for instance, a mid size car towing a small 5' x 8' utility trailer (typically used to haul golf carts/ UTV's)? I'd obviously need to build a rack for the wings/tail/fuselage tube. I know weight shouldn't be an issue, but size concerns me.



What about a standard pickup truck, with a rack on it (no trailer)?



Thanks,



Charlie

zeprep251(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:02 pm Post subject: road transport question

We use 4" foam rubber 



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On Mar 18, 2017, at 4:56 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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		                     Thanks for the pic; looks just like       what we RV-x guys use for our wings. Are you saying that the rack       pictured would be adequate for road transport of the wings? Are       the leading edges strong enough to support the wing weight on a       couple of 8-10" wide carpet strips? If so, that would simplify my       task considerably. The rest of the stuff I can deal with, but the       wings concern me. I was envisioning something more like a couple       of heavily padded shelves as big as the wing(s).

       

       On 3/18/2017 2:19 PM, George Helton wrote:

     

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		          	  Quote: 	
		  Having owned, built and flown a twinstar. I'd say that I'd try find something fully enclosed. That being said, if you could put the cage and stuff like the engine, etc. in the pickup bed? The wings could be transported in good wing rack, wing facing forward towards the truck. Should really pad and cover well. If damage a wing it will be really bad news. Attached is a picture of my shop wing rack.

	
       

              

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		  Have a great day!



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		  On Mar 18, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> (ceengland7(at)gmail.com) wrote:



Well, after mostly lurking here for many years, and somewhat passively searching for a Kolb for most of that time, I've found a formerly flying project a/c. It's a complete 582 powered Twinstar, but it's completely disassembled.  



My question for those who have moved projects is this: How much space is needed for transport? The wings & tail are still covered, so they're complete but disassembled. The cage is off the tailboom (already sandblasted & repainted). Could this project be transported using, for instance, a mid size car towing a small 5' x 8' utility trailer (typically used to haul golf carts/ UTV's)? I'd obviously need to build a rack for the wings/tail/fuselage tube. I know weight shouldn't be an issue, but size concerns me.



What about a standard pickup truck, with a rack on it (no trailer)?



Thanks,



Charlie

gdhelton(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:10 pm Post subject: road transport question

I would actually prefer either adding a couple more straps inboard to this design. I would use some dense foam where the leading edges rest. I'd use some light straps to hold the wings in place. Wings need to be covered to keep air blast from go in between.



Have a great day!

George ( Maddog )

On Mar 18, 2017, at 4:56 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		                     Thanks for the pic; looks just like       what we RV-x guys use for our wings. Are you saying that the rack       pictured would be adequate for road transport of the wings? Are       the leading edges strong enough to support the wing weight on a       couple of 8-10" wide carpet strips? If so, that would simplify my       task considerably. The rest of the stuff I can deal with, but the       wings concern me. I was envisioning something more like a couple       of heavily padded shelves as big as the wing(s).

       

       On 3/18/2017 2:19 PM, George Helton wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		          	  Quote: 	
		  Having owned, built and flown a twinstar. I'd say that I'd try find something fully enclosed. That being said, if you could put the cage and stuff like the engine, etc. in the pickup bed? The wings could be transported in good wing rack, wing facing forward towards the truck. Should really pad and cover well. If damage a wing it will be really bad news. Attached is a picture of my shop wing rack.

	
       

              

        	  Quote: 	
		  Have a great day!



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		  On Mar 18, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> (ceengland7(at)gmail.com) wrote:



Well, after mostly lurking here for many years, and somewhat passively searching for a Kolb for most of that time, I've found a formerly flying project a/c. It's a complete 582 powered Twinstar, but it's completely disassembled.  



My question for those who have moved projects is this: How much space is needed for transport? The wings & tail are still covered, so they're complete but disassembled. The cage is off the tailboom (already sandblasted & repainted). Could this project be transported using, for instance, a mid size car towing a small 5' x 8' utility trailer (typically used to haul golf carts/ UTV's)? I'd obviously need to build a rack for the wings/tail/fuselage tube. I know weight shouldn't be an issue, but size concerns me.



What about a standard pickup truck, with a rack on it (no trailer)?



Thanks,



Charlie

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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: road transport question

My money is on the boat trailer. I brought home a Quicksilver from Wichita (to Saint Paul, MN) using a boat trailer and later brought home my Firefly on a boat trailer from New York. I think it cost me more in tolls than gas!

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ceengland7(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:19 pm Post subject: road transport question

My T-18 trailer actually looks a lot like that, except the axle is farther aft to support the weight of the T18's Lyc engine. 



Thanks for all the suggestions; I'll likely head down there with  a stack of 2x4's, several sheets of plywood, and a trunk full of pads & foam sheets.

Charlie

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 My money is on the boat trailer. I brought home a Quicksilver from Wichita (to Saint Paul, MN) using a boat trailer and later brought home my Firefly on a boat trailer from New York. I think it cost me more in tolls than gas!

 

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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:03 am Post subject: Re: road transport question

I was lucky enough that my brother-in-law had an enclosed trailer, about 16ft long that we used to go pick up my Twinstar MK II in Michigan.  We supported the wings from the ceiling and strapped the cage, boom and tail feathers to the floor.  The wings and tail feathers were covered and sealed and traveled very well.  The wings just fit between the front wall and the big laydown rear door.

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