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pastormac62
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Hi Guys!
I'm wanting to get some wheel pants for my TR-1 two seater. Any suggestions? I heard RV's 7 work?? Thanks!
To our success, Stephen McIntosh
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bakerocb
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| Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:09 am Post subject: Wheel pants? |
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3/30/2017
Hello Steve, If done right this will be a major project:
a) Need some fairings for the main gear legs.
b) Need to make interface between wheel pants and main gear leg fairings.
c) Need a fairing for the nose strut.
d) Need interface between nose strut fairing and nose wheel pant. (Took me
years to develop and make mine.)
I'll shoot you some pictures next chance I get. This is a huge tar baby once
you touch it.
OC
PS: How goes solving the shimmy problem?
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From: pastormac(at)comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 6:47 AM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Wheel pants?
Hi Guys!
I'm wanting to get some wheel pants for my TR-1 two seater. Any suggestions?
I heard RV's 7 work?? Thanks!
To our success, Stephen McIntosh
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pastormac62
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| Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:28 am Post subject: Wheel pants? |
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Thanks Owen! Don't know if I'm that gifted to create all that sounds necessary for the wheel pants. As far as the shimmy goes, I took off the nose wheel and there were two washers that were flat. It was very sloppy and couldn't tighten the nut enough to get any torque. I ordered two Belleville washers and hope to have them today. Galin helped me on those!
To our success, Stephen McIntosh
| Quote: | On Mar 30, 2017, at 7:09 AM, Owen Baker <bakerocb(at)cox.net> wrote:
3/30/2017
Hello Steve, If done right this will be a major project:
a) Need some fairings for the main gear legs.
b) Need to make interface between wheel pants and main gear leg fairings.
c) Need a fairing for the nose strut.
d) Need interface between nose strut fairing and nose wheel pant. (Took me years to develop and make mine.)
I'll shoot you some pictures next chance I get. This is a huge tar baby once you touch it.
OC
PS: How goes solving the shimmy problem?
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From: pastormac(at)comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 6:47 AM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Wheel pants?
Hi Guys!
I'm wanting to get some wheel pants for my TR-1 two seater. Any suggestions? I heard RV's 7 work?? Thanks!
To our success, Stephen McIntosh
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bakerocb
Joined: 15 Jan 2006
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Location: FAIRFAX VA
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| Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:47 pm Post subject: Wheel pants? |
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3/30/2017
Hello Steve, You wrote:
1) "Don't know if I'm that gifted to create all that sounds necessary for
the wheel pants."
It was daunting to me and I had the benefit of all the composite work
experience gained in building my plane over a 6 1/2 year period. Of course
part of the challenge was trying to remember what I had learned several
years ago (and then had forgotten). I'll still try to remember to send you
some pictures.
2) "As far as the shimmy goes, I took off the nose wheel and there were two
washers that were flat. It was very sloppy and couldn't tighten the nut
enough to get any torque."
I am really glad that you brought this situation to our attention and that
you are following through because it can be very dangerous and damaging.
3) " I ordered two Belleville washers and hope to have them today."
Good. Realize also that you can use nylon washers instead of or along with
the Belleville washers. I flew my plane for many years with a stack up
consisting of just nylon washers (which can be obtained at a good local
hardware store) and flat steel washers. Also there is the consideration of
having a nylon washer against the bottom of the aluminum shoe could avoid
excessive wear on the shoe.
OC
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From: pastormac(at)comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 8:27 AM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Wheel pants?
Thanks Owen! Don't know if I'm that gifted to create all that sounds
necessary for the wheel pants. As far as the shimmy goes, I took off the
nose wheel and there were two washers that were flat. It was very sloppy and
couldn't tighten the nut enough to get any torque. I ordered two Belleville
washers and hope to have them today. Galin helped me on those!
To our success, Stephen McIntosh
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mark_trickel
Joined: 13 Dec 2011
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Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Wheel pants? |
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The original Wheel fairings supplied by Rich are very similar to Aircraft Spruce wheel fairing MF-4 part number 05-01218. This is not exactly like the originals but should work if you have some fabricating ability. Aircraft Spruce does not supply any attachment brackets, you are on your own to figure that out, but as owners of experimental aircraft that is what we do.
The size of the original KIS “Boots” as Galin refers to them (after all as kids we put on boots to go out and play) are as follows:
10.5” Tall
6.5” Wide
29.5 “ Long
Wheel Opening:
5.75” Wide
14” Long
Richard also supplied a inside cover that covered the Gear leg and mounting bracket. Builders had to fabricate their own attachment brackets as well as landing gear leg and transition fairings, which some builders did, and some did not. Builders also (to the best I can recall) had to cut the nose gear boot apart and fashion their own joggle joint. Vance issued a supplement to the builders manual in a newsletter depicting how this should be done.
Another excellent choice would be a set of boots from James Aircraft. http://www.jamesaircraft.com/?page_id=47
You must call this guy on the phone, he is not electronic. These are very similar to the RV boots (OC has a set of RV boots on his TR-1) but are much more petite, way cooler, and probably more efficient. You would not have to split the nose gear boot down the center like you would the Aircraft Spruce MF-4s, these have front and back halves. JA may also supply mounting brackets. If you were careful you might even be able to mount them without having to go through the trouble of fabricating gear leg, and transition fairings.
MT
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bakerocb
Joined: 15 Jan 2006
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Location: FAIRFAX VA
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:12 am Post subject: Wheel pants? |
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4/2/2017
Hello Steve, You are continuing to get input regarding your comment about
desiring to put wheel pants on your airplane. Please let me add my 01.5
cents (remainder of 02.0 cents to follow -- maybe). Let me also add again
that this is not a trivial, bolt them on and go, project.
1) Here is the Van's Aircraft web site where you can purchase the below
listed items (you don't have to be building or own an RV aircraft in order
to purchase these items):
https://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=1491153716-334-519&browse=airframe&product=wheel-pants
2) This pair of items will fair the KIS TR-1 main landing gear strut legs.
Do not attempt to use the hinge pin method of closing the trailing edge --
it won't work. I use the same white tape that the glider people use when
they take their sailplane out of the trailer and assemble it to fly:
Fiberglass fairings for the RV-8 flat bar main gear legs (per pair).
Part Number = GEAR LEG FAIRING FLAT
Price = $175.00
3) Here is almost everything you need for your main landing gear wheel
pants. Creating the lower end of the landing gear strut fairing into the
wheel pants is your job:
Wheel pants for RV-8 flat bar gear
Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,PRFLT
Price = $375.00
4) Here is what you need for the nose wheel pant:
Wheel pant for 6A/7A/8A/9A Nose Gear
Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,NOSE
Price = $140.00
If you have not been thoroughly intimidated by now and want to continue on
to create a fairing for the nose landing gear strut and an interface between
that fairing and the nose wheel pant (see the attached 100_0311.jpg picture)
just let me know and I'll lay it on you. I still intend to take some
pictures of the pants off the airplane the next time I get out to the hangar
and send them to you.
OC
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From: mark_trickel
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 1:03 PM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Wheel pants?
The original Wheel fairings supplied by Rich are very similar to Aircraft
Spruce wheel fairing MF-4 part number 05-01218. This is not exactly like the
originals but should work if you have some fabricating ability. Aircraft
Spruce does not supply any attachment brackets, you are on your own to
figure that out, but as owners of experimental aircraft that is what we do.
The size of the original KIS “Boots†as Galin refers to them (after all
as kids we put on boots to go out and play) are as follows:
10.5†Tall
6.5†Wide
29.5 “ Long
Wheel Opening:
5.75†Wide
14†Long
Richard also supplied a inside cover that covered the Gear leg and mounting
bracket. Builders had to fabricate their own attachment brackets as well as
landing gear leg and transition fairings, which some builders did, and some
did not. Builders also (to the best I can recall) had to cut the nose gear
boot apart and fashion their own joggle joint. Vance issued a supplement to
the builders manual in a newsletter depicting how this should be done.
Another excellent choice would be a set of boots from James Aircraft.
http://www.jamesaircraft.com/?page_id=47
You must call this guy on the phone, he is not electronic. These are very
similar to the RV boots (OC has a set of RV boots on his TR-1) but are much
more petite, way cooler, and probably more efficient. You would not have to
split the nose gear boot down the center like you would the Aircraft Spruce
MF-4s, these have front and back halves. JA may also supply mounting
brackets. If you were careful you might even be able to mount them without
having to go through the trouble of fabricating gear leg, and transition
fairings.
MT
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467952#467952
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pastormac62
Joined: 07 Sep 2015
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Location: Indiana
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:28 am Post subject: Wheel pants? |
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Thank you! I'm going to pursue getting them on!
To our success, Stephen McIntosh
| Quote: | On Apr 2, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Owen Baker <bakerocb(at)cox.net> wrote:
4/2/2017
Hello Steve, You are continuing to get input regarding your comment about desiring to put wheel pants on your airplane. Please let me add my 01.5 cents (remainder of 02.0 cents to follow -- maybe). Let me also add again that this is not a trivial, bolt them on and go, project.
1) Here is the Van's Aircraft web site where you can purchase the below listed items (you don't have to be building or own an RV aircraft in order to purchase these items):
https://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=1491153716-334-519&browse=airframe&product=wheel-pants
2) This pair of items will fair the KIS TR-1 main landing gear strut legs. Do not attempt to use the hinge pin method of closing the trailing edge -- it won't work. I use the same white tape that the glider people use when they take their sailplane out of the trailer and assemble it to fly:
Fiberglass fairings for the RV-8 flat bar main gear legs (per pair).
Part Number = GEAR LEG FAIRING FLAT
Price = $175.00
3) Here is almost everything you need for your main landing gear wheel pants. Creating the lower end of the landing gear strut fairing into the wheel pants is your job:
Wheel pants for RV-8 flat bar gear
Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,PRFLT
Price = $375.00
4) Here is what you need for the nose wheel pant:
Wheel pant for 6A/7A/8A/9A Nose Gear
Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,NOSE
Price = $140.00
If you have not been thoroughly intimidated by now and want to continue on to create a fairing for the nose landing gear strut and an interface between that fairing and the nose wheel pant (see the attached 100_0311.jpg picture) just let me know and I'll lay it on you. I still intend to take some pictures of the pants off the airplane the next time I get out to the hangar and send them to you.
OC
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From: mark_trickel
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 1:03 PM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Wheel pants?
The original Wheel fairings supplied by Rich are very similar to Aircraft Spruce wheel fairing MF-4 part number 05-01218. This is not exactly like the originals but should work if you have some fabricating ability. Aircraft Spruce does not supply any attachment brackets, you are on your own to figure that out, but as owners of experimental aircraft that is what we do.
The size of the original KIS “Boots†as Galin refers to them (after all as kids we put on boots to go out and play) are as follows:
10.5†Tall
6.5†Wide
29.5 “ Long
Wheel Opening:
5.75†Wide
14†Long
Richard also supplied a inside cover that covered the Gear leg and mounting bracket. Builders had to fabricate their own attachment brackets as well as landing gear leg and transition fairings, which some builders did, and some did not. Builders also (to the best I can recall) had to cut the nose gear boot apart and fashion their own joggle joint. Vance issued a supplement to the builders manual in a newsletter depicting how this should be done.
Another excellent choice would be a set of boots from James Aircraft. http://www.jamesaircraft.com/?page_id=47
You must call this guy on the phone, he is not electronic. These are very similar to the RV boots (OC has a set of RV boots on his TR-1) but are much more petite, way cooler, and probably more efficient. You would not have to split the nose gear boot down the center like you would the Aircraft Spruce MF-4s, these have front and back halves. JA may also supply mounting brackets. If you were careful you might even be able to mount them without having to go through the trouble of fabricating gear leg, and transition fairings.
MT
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467952#467952
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bakerocb
Joined: 15 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:16 pm Post subject: Wheel pants? |
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4/2/2017
Hello Steve, You wrote: "I'm going to pursue getting them on!"
OK, here is what I did for the nose gear leg fairing:
1) I contacted Glasair, (360-435-8533) got assigned a customer number, and
ordered the two fiberglass pieces that are part of the Glastar / Sportsman
kit nose gear leg fairing. See here:
http://glasairaviation.com/
and here:
http://glasairaviation.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/GlaStarSportsman_Tech_Info_Kit_Contents_GA_-_Revised_Small.pdf
2) I acquired the pages from the Glastar builders manual and put together
the fairing. If you purchase those two pieces in 1 above I will mail you a
copy of those pages.
3) After a couple years of head scratching I put together my Glastar strut
fairing and my RV nose wheel pant. Pictures to follow.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
OC
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From: pastormac(at)comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 3:26 PM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Wheel pants?
Thank you! I'm going to pursue getting them on!
To our success, Stephen McIntosh
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| Quote: | On Apr 2, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Owen Baker <bakerocb(at)cox.net> wrote:
4/2/2017
Hello Steve, You are continuing to get input regarding your comment about
desiring to put wheel pants on your airplane. Please let me add my 01.5
cents (remainder of 02.0 cents to follow -- maybe). Let me also add again
that this is not a trivial, bolt them on and go, project.
1) Here is the Van's Aircraft web site where you can purchase the below
listed items (you don't have to be building or own an RV aircraft in order
to purchase these items):
https://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=1491153716-334-519&browse=airframe&product=wheel-pants
2) This pair of items will fair the KIS TR-1 main landing gear strut legs.
Do not attempt to use the hinge pin method of closing the trailing edge --
it won't work. I use the same white tape that the glider people use when
they take their sailplane out of the trailer and assemble it to fly:
Fiberglass fairings for the RV-8 flat bar main gear legs (per pair).
Part Number = GEAR LEG FAIRING FLAT
Price = $175.00
3) Here is almost everything you need for your main landing gear wheel
pants. Creating the lower end of the landing gear strut fairing into the
wheel pants is your job:
Wheel pants for RV-8 flat bar gear
Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,PRFLT
Price = $375.00
4) Here is what you need for the nose wheel pant:
Wheel pant for 6A/7A/8A/9A Nose Gear
Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,NOSE
Price = $140.00
If you have not been thoroughly intimidated by now and want to continue on
to create a fairing for the nose landing gear strut and an interface
between that fairing and the nose wheel pant (see the attached
100_0311.jpg picture) just let me know and I'll lay it on you. I still
intend to take some pictures of the pants off the airplane the next time I
get out to the hangar and send them to you.
OC
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gbrighton(at)skymesh.com.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:00 pm Post subject: Wheel pants? |
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Howdy .... My Flat bar Main Gear Hoop jack
Sent from my iPad
| Quote: | On 3 Apr 2017, at 5:26 AM, pastormac(at)comcast.net wrote:
Thank you! I'm going to pursue getting them on!
To our success, Stephen McIntosh
> On Apr 2, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Owen Baker <bakerocb(at)cox.net> wrote:
>
> 4/2/2017
>
> Hello Steve, You are continuing to get input regarding your comment about desiring to put wheel pants on your airplane. Please let me add my 01.5 cents (remainder of 02.0 cents to follow -- maybe). Let me also add again that this is not a trivial, bolt them on and go, project.
>
> 1) Here is the Van's Aircraft web site where you can purchase the below listed items (you don't have to be building or own an RV aircraft in order to purchase these items):
>
> https://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=1491153716-334-519&browse=airframe&product=wheel-pants
>
> 2) This pair of items will fair the KIS TR-1 main landing gear strut legs. Do not attempt to use the hinge pin method of closing the trailing edge -- it won't work. I use the same white tape that the glider people use when they take their sailplane out of the trailer and assemble it to fly:
>
> Fiberglass fairings for the RV-8 flat bar main gear legs (per pair).
> Part Number = GEAR LEG FAIRING FLAT
> Price = $175.00
>
> 3) Here is almost everything you need for your main landing gear wheel pants. Creating the lower end of the landing gear strut fairing into the wheel pants is your job:
>
> Wheel pants for RV-8 flat bar gear
> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,PRFLT
> Price = $375.00
>
> 4) Here is what you need for the nose wheel pant:
>
> Wheel pant for 6A/7A/8A/9A Nose Gear
> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,NOSE
> Price = $140.00
>
> If you have not been thoroughly intimidated by now and want to continue on to create a fairing for the nose landing gear strut and an interface between that fairing and the nose wheel pant (see the attached 100_0311.jpg picture) just let me know and I'll lay it on you. I still intend to take some pictures of the pants off the airplane the next time I get out to the hangar and send them to you.
>
> OC
>
> =========================>>
> From: mark_trickel
> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 1:03 PM
> To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Wheel pants?
>
>
>
> The original Wheel fairings supplied by Rich are very similar to Aircraft Spruce wheel fairing MF-4 part number 05-01218. This is not exactly like the originals but should work if you have some fabricating ability. Aircraft Spruce does not supply any attachment brackets, you are on your own to figure that out, but as owners of experimental aircraft that is what we do.
>
> The size of the original KIS “Boots†as Galin refers to them (after all as kids we put on boots to go out and play) are as follows:
> 10.5†Tall
> 6.5†Wide
> 29.5 “ Long
> Wheel Opening:
> 5.75†Wide
> 14†Long
>
> Richard also supplied a inside cover that covered the Gear leg and mounting bracket. Builders had to fabricate their own attachment brackets as well as landing gear leg and transition fairings, which some builders did, and some did not. Builders also (to the best I can recall) had to cut the nose gear boot apart and fashion their own joggle joint. Vance issued a supplement to the builders manual in a newsletter depicting how this should be done.
>
> Another excellent choice would be a set of boots from James Aircraft. http://www.jamesaircraft.com/?page_id=47
> You must call this guy on the phone, he is not electronic. These are very similar to the RV boots (OC has a set of RV boots on his TR-1) but are much more petite, way cooler, and probably more efficient. You would not have to split the nose gear boot down the center like you would the Aircraft Spruce MF-4s, these have front and back halves. JA may also supply mounting brackets. If you were careful you might even be able to mount them without having to go through the trouble of fabricating gear leg, and transition fairings.
>
> MT
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467952#467952
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Oh .. and the how it works .. ( tried before .. not sure if this is a repeat
send or ?)
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From: "Graham Brighton" <gbrighton(at)skymesh.com.au>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 1:55 PM
To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Wheel pants?
| Quote: | Howdy .... My Flat bar Main Gear Hoop jack
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Sent from my iPad
> On 3 Apr 2017, at 5:26 AM, pastormac(at)comcast.net wrote:
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>
> Thank you! I'm going to pursue getting them on!
>
> To our success, Stephen McIntosh
>
>> On Apr 2, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Owen Baker <bakerocb(at)cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> 4/2/2017
>>
>> Hello Steve, You are continuing to get input regarding your comment
>> about desiring to put wheel pants on your airplane. Please let me add my
>> 01.5 cents (remainder of 02.0 cents to follow -- maybe). Let me also add
>> again that this is not a trivial, bolt them on and go, project.
>>
>> 1) Here is the Van's Aircraft web site where you can purchase the below
>> listed items (you don't have to be building or own an RV aircraft in
>> order to purchase these items):
>>
>> https://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=1491153716-334-519&browse=airframe&product=wheel-pants
>>
>> 2) This pair of items will fair the KIS TR-1 main landing gear strut
>> legs. Do not attempt to use the hinge pin method of closing the trailing
>> edge -- it won't work. I use the same white tape that the glider people
>> use when they take their sailplane out of the trailer and assemble it to
>> fly:
>>
>> Fiberglass fairings for the RV-8 flat bar main gear legs (per pair).
>> Part Number = GEAR LEG FAIRING FLAT
>> Price = $175.00
>>
>> 3) Here is almost everything you need for your main landing gear wheel
>> pants. Creating the lower end of the landing gear strut fairing into the
>> wheel pants is your job:
>>
>> Wheel pants for RV-8 flat bar gear
>> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,PRFLT
>> Price = $375.00
>>
>> 4) Here is what you need for the nose wheel pant:
>>
>> Wheel pant for 6A/7A/8A/9A Nose Gear
>> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,NOSE
>> Price = $140.00
>>
>> If you have not been thoroughly intimidated by now and want to continue
>> on to create a fairing for the nose landing gear strut and an interface
>> between that fairing and the nose wheel pant (see the attached
>> 100_0311.jpg picture) just let me know and I'll lay it on you. I still
>> intend to take some pictures of the pants off the airplane the next time
>> I get out to the hangar and send them to you.
>>
>> OC
>>
>> =========================>>
>> From: mark_trickel
>> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 1:03 PM
>> To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Wheel pants?
>>
>>
>>
>> The original Wheel fairings supplied by Rich are very similar to
>> Aircraft Spruce wheel fairing MF-4 part number 05-01218. This is not
>> exactly like the originals but should work if you have some fabricating
>> ability. Aircraft Spruce does not supply any attachment brackets, you
>> are on your own to figure that out, but as owners of experimental
>> aircraft that is what we do.
>>
>> The size of the original KIS â,"Bootsâ, as Galin refers to them
>> (after all as kids we put on boots to go out and play) are as follows:
>> 10.5â, Tall
>> 6.5â, Wide
>> 29.5 â," Long
>> Wheel Opening:
>> 5.75â, Wide
>> 14â, Long
>>
>> Richard also supplied a inside cover that covered the Gear leg and
>> mounting bracket. Builders had to fabricate their own attachment
>> brackets as well as landing gear leg and transition fairings, which some
>> builders did, and some did not. Builders also (to the best I can recall)
>> had to cut the nose gear boot apart and fashion their own joggle joint.
>> Vance issued a supplement to the builders manual in a newsletter
>> depicting how this should be done.
>>
>> Another excellent choice would be a set of boots from James Aircraft.
>> http://www.jamesaircraft.com/?page_id=47
>> You must call this guy on the phone, he is not electronic. These are
>> very similar to the RV boots (OC has a set of RV boots on his TR-1) but
>> are much more petite, way cooler, and probably more efficient. You would
>> not have to split the nose gear boot down the center like you would the
>> Aircraft Spruce MF-4s, these have front and back halves. JA may also
>> supply mounting brackets. If you were careful you might even be able to
>> mount them without having to go through the trouble of fabricating gear
>> leg, and transition fairings.
>>
>> MT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467952#467952
>> <100_0311.jpg>
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Wow! that is clever
Mike
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OC, I was wondering, with the wheel pants etc, did you see any
improvement in speed at cruise and max throttle?
If so what was the difference from speed without wheel pants etc.
Rob
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Hello Steve, You wrote: "I'm going to pursue getting them on!"
OK, here is what I did for the nose gear leg fairing:
1) I contacted Glasair, (360-435-8533) got assigned a customer number,
and ordered the two fiberglass pieces that are part of the Glastar /
Sportsman kit nose gear leg fairing. See here:
http://glasairaviation.com/
and here:
http://glasairaviation.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/GlaStarSportsman_Tech_Info_Kit_Contents_GA_-_Revised_Small.pdf
2) I acquired the pages from the Glastar builders manual and put
together the fairing. If you purchase those two pieces in 1 above I
will mail you a copy of those pages.
3) After a couple years of head scratching I put together my Glastar
strut fairing and my RV nose wheel pant. Pictures to follow.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
OC
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From: pastormac(at)comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 3:26 PM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Wheel pants?
Thank you! I'm going to pursue getting them on!
To our success, Stephen McIntosh
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> On Apr 2, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Owen Baker <bakerocb(at)cox.net> wrote:
>
> 4/2/2017
>
> Hello Steve, You are continuing to get input regarding your comment
> about desiring to put wheel pants on your airplane. Please let me add
> my 01.5 cents (remainder of 02.0 cents to follow -- maybe). Let me
> also add again that this is not a trivial, bolt them on and go, project.
>
> 1) Here is the Van's Aircraft web site where you can purchase the
> below listed items (you don't have to be building or own an RV
> aircraft in order to purchase these items):
>
> https://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=1491153716-334-519&browse=airframe&product=wheel-pants
> 2) This pair of items will fair the KIS TR-1 main landing gear strut
> legs. Do not attempt to use the hinge pin method of closing the
> trailing edge -- it won't work. I use the same white tape that the
> glider people use when they take their sailplane out of the trailer
> and assemble it to fly:
>
> Fiberglass fairings for the RV-8 flat bar main gear legs (per pair).
> Part Number = GEAR LEG FAIRING FLAT
> Price = $175.00
>
> 3) Here is almost everything you need for your main landing gear
> wheel pants. Creating the lower end of the landing gear strut fairing
> into the wheel pants is your job:
>
> Wheel pants for RV-8 flat bar gear
> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,PRFLT
> Price = $375.00
>
> 4) Here is what you need for the nose wheel pant:
>
> Wheel pant for 6A/7A/8A/9A Nose Gear
> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,NOSE
> Price = $140.00
>
> If you have not been thoroughly intimidated by now and want to
> continue on to create a fairing for the nose landing gear strut and
> an interface between that fairing and the nose wheel pant (see the
> attached 100_0311.jpg picture) just let me know and I'll lay it on
> you. I still intend to take some pictures of the pants off the
> airplane the next time I get out to the hangar and send them to you.
>
> OC
>
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4/4/2017
Hello Rob, I am sorry. I have not yet conducted any such tests.
OC
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From: Rob
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 12:22 PM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Wheel pants?
OC, I was wondering, with the wheel pants etc, did you see any
improvement in speed at cruise and max throttle?
If so what was the difference from speed without wheel pants etc.
Rob
On 04/02/2017 08:13 PM, Owen Baker wrote:
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4/2/2017
Hello Steve, You wrote: "I'm going to pursue getting them on!"
OK, here is what I did for the nose gear leg fairing:
1) I contacted Glasair, (360-435-8533) got assigned a customer number, and
ordered the two fiberglass pieces that are part of the Glastar / Sportsman
kit nose gear leg fairing. See here:
http://glasairaviation.com/
and here:
http://glasairaviation.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/GlaStarSportsman_Tech_Info_Kit_Contents_GA_-_Revised_Small.pdf
2) I acquired the pages from the Glastar builders manual and put together
the fairing. If you purchase those two pieces in 1 above I will mail you a
copy of those pages.
3) After a couple years of head scratching I put together my Glastar strut
fairing and my RV nose wheel pant. Pictures to follow.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
OC
============================================
From: pastormac(at)comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 3:26 PM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Wheel pants?
Thank you! I'm going to pursue getting them on!
To our success, Stephen McIntosh
====================================================
> On Apr 2, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Owen Baker <bakerocb(at)cox.net> wrote:
>
> 4/2/2017
>
> Hello Steve, You are continuing to get input regarding your comment about
> desiring to put wheel pants on your airplane. Please let me add my 01.5
> cents (remainder of 02.0 cents to follow -- maybe). Let me also add again
> that this is not a trivial, bolt them on and go, project.
>
> 1) Here is the Van's Aircraft web site where you can purchase the below
> listed items (you don't have to be building or own an RV aircraft in
> order to purchase these items):
>
> https://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=1491153716-334-519&browse=airframe&product=wheel-pants
>
> 2) This pair of items will fair the KIS TR-1 main landing gear strut
> legs. Do not attempt to use the hinge pin method of closing the trailing
> edge -- it won't work. I use the same white tape that the glider people
> use when they take their sailplane out of the trailer and assemble it to
> fly:
>
> Fiberglass fairings for the RV-8 flat bar main gear legs (per pair).
> Part Number = GEAR LEG FAIRING FLAT
> Price = $175.00
>
> 3) Here is almost everything you need for your main landing gear wheel
> pants. Creating the lower end of the landing gear strut fairing into the
> wheel pants is your job:
>
> Wheel pants for RV-8 flat bar gear
> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,PRFLT
> Price = $375.00
>
> 4) Here is what you need for the nose wheel pant:
>
> Wheel pant for 6A/7A/8A/9A Nose Gear
> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,NOSE
> Price = $140.00
>
> If you have not been thoroughly intimidated by now and want to continue
> on to create a fairing for the nose landing gear strut and an interface
> between that fairing and the nose wheel pant (see the attached
> 100_0311.jpg picture) just let me know and I'll lay it on you. I still
> intend to take some pictures of the pants off the airplane the next time
> I get out to the hangar and send them to you.
>
> OC
>
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