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patdriessen
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 Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 2:33 pm Post subject: Europa xs or classic? |
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Hi all.
A couple of questions.
First. I have a 1998 Europa tri gear variously registered C-GMKW, N-24070 and now ZK-VMC.
c/n 095. All the paperwork I have say it's an XS model but the Europa factor says it's a classic.......any ideas? It seems to have attributes of both.
Secondly. My Europa has the Pitot tube on the tail but does not appear to have any static source. Where should it go?
Thanks for reading.
Patrick
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 3:02 pm Post subject: Europa xs or classic? |
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A true classic has foam wings and the cowl with the radiators at the front behind the prop. You might have a XS hybrid like me, foam wings with the later XS cowl that had the underslung radiators.
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Martin Tuck
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| Quote: | On May 4, 2017, at 5:33 PM, patdriessen <patdriessen(at)clear.net.nz> wrote:
Hi all.
A couple of questions.
First. I have a 1998 Europa tri gear variously registered C-GMKW, N-24070 and now ZK-VMC.
c/n 095. All the paperwork I have say it's an XS model but the Europa factor says it's a classic.......any ideas? It seems to have attributes of both.
Secondly. My Europa has the Pitot tube on the tail but does not appear to have any static source. Where should it go?
Thanks for reading.
Patrick
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patdriessen
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: Europa xs or classic? |
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Thanks Martin
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Roland
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: Europa xs or classic? |
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Hi Patrick,
the XS has a kink in the rudder pedals (at least at the pilot's side) whereas the Classic has straight pedal tubes. In addition my XS has a small "XS-type-plate" laminated on the bottom inside of the fuselage, visible with a torch through the upper inspection hole of the tail.
Regards
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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spcialeffects
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| Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 2:17 am Post subject: Re: Europa xs or classic? |
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There are a few differences between the two. Easy to tell signs are the cockpit module centre tunnel. The classic has the ''fat'' featureless one and the XS has a raised bit for the throttle and a bit more "shape" to it. Second the port foot well is longer that the stbd side on an XS but the same size on a classic which is why the classic has an extension piece for the port rudder spring. Other differences not easy to spot are that the XS wing is longer than the classic. The XS aileron is made of two foam cores and the classic only one. The classic has a separate foam core fin and the XS's is part of the top moulding and a few other things as people have mentioned above, however if c/n 095 stands for construction number then yours will be a classic.
Many thanks frank ki#165 Classic
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| Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 5:05 am Post subject: Europa xs or classic? |
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On 2017-05-04, at 23:33, patdriessen <patdriessen(at)clear.net.nz> wrote:
| Quote: | I have a 1998 Europa tri gear variously registered C-GMKW, N-24070 and now ZK-VMC.
c/n 095. All the paperwork I have say it's an XS model but the Europa factor says it's a classic.......any ideas? It seems to have attributes of both.
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Your Europa airframe is much-travelled! It was built by Ken & Mark Whittington in Alberta, Canada and they reported it first flew 1998-10-16 although the registration C-GMKW was only issued on 1998-10-21 . After only 3 hours flight time (!) it was converted from mono to tri-gear. It was offered for sale in 2000 and in about Sep 2002 it was sold to Jack Acord of California USA and re-registered N24070. He called it an XS when registering. At that point my trail (records from my time as Europa Club membership secretary) runs out.
The XS model was introduced in, I think, late 1999. The kit number 095 indicates that the first part(s) of the kit were ordered well before the XS was introduced, and the first flight date indicates that it was completed before XS parts became available. The highest UK kit number I can find for a Classic is 355. However, many folk ordered their kits in several parts, so could have (eg) a Classic tail kit but XS wings and/or cowl. All sorts of hybrids are possible, including those arising from later modifications. The easy things to spot are the wings (Classic - foam cored; XS - pre-built ribs & skins) and the cowl (Classic - wide oval inlets; XS - small circular inlets plus dangling radiator duct). If the tailwheel is underneath the fuselage rather than under the rudder then it’s a Classic fuselage - but you won’t see many of those as most of them have been converted to the XS tailwheel for better handling.
| Quote: | My Europa has the Pitot tube on the tail but does not appear to have any static source. Where should it go?
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The fin-mounted pitot was an early Classic feature. It was a good idea in principle as it meant the pitot line did not have to be disconnected when de-rigging the wings, but it suffered from blanking by the fuselage at high angles of attack (eg when landing) and was also within the propeller blast so readings could be misleading. I don’t know where the static port was for the fin pitot; the static port was combined with the pitot head when it was moved out of the propwash underneath the wing. Adding a pitot/static head to either Classic or XS wing could be an interesting exercise, but there may be folk here who can offer helpful thoughts on that process. To get sensible advice, you’ll need to find out and tell us what type of wings you have.
Hope some of this rambling is of some use!
in friendship
Rowland
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Nigel Graham
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| Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Europa xs or classic? |
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If you haven't discovered it yet, that font of all Europa knowledge - The Europa Club Website has a good explanation of the differences:
http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Classic-or-XS-2.pdf
The early clasic had twin static vents, one on each side located mid-fuselage just behind each door. If you peer in through the "D" panel, you should spot the pipework.
Nigel
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patdriessen
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| Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 3:08 am Post subject: Re: Europa xs or classic? |
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Just got home to read my emails.
Thanks guys for all the helpful info.....particularly Rowland.
Much appreciated.
Best regards Patrick
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patdriessen
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Just got home to read my emails.
Thanks guys for all the helpful info.....particularly Rowland.
Much appreciated.
Best regards Patrick
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