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taffy0687(at)yahoo.com
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 Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:52 pm Post subject: flanging dies |
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Larry
When I built my 701, I made my flanging dies from plywood as per Chris H. plans. I used them for my 701, got permission from ZAC to use them on the 601 (plans called for slightly different size flanges) and my cousin is now using them for his 701. Simple to make, but take a little time. At the time (no expereince) it took me one day to make a male/female set, the second day I made two different sets.---------(now I could make them all in one day) I have friends who believe in overkill and think they have to be mechined from aluminum at a mechine shop----not so-- unless you are going into the airplane production business.
Fritz -- Corvair, 601XL scratch builder, 90/90
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[quote] OK, I live in the desert! It is 100 miles to the nearest Taco Bell. I am 320 miles from my building buddy who is also building a 601XL. I am at a point in my fuselage where I need to flange my holes. The holes are cut, just needs flanged. I bought a 2 wheel flanging tool from Aircraft Tool Supply because Aircraft Spruce is back ordered. They said the company has been back ordered for some time now and the manufacture said it will be at least another month, so I bought this one. IT STINKS!!! It took me 30 minutes to mess up a perfectly good hole. It won't be seen, so that is the good news. I am wanting to build my center wing spar, but I have to flange the holes first and the front one can be seen if someone at a fly in looks hard enough.
I have been all over town trying to find someone who can make these dye's for me and there just is no equipment here to do it. I don't care if they are made of silly putty!! Does anyone know someone who can make them, or does anyone have a set they would be willing to sell or rent to me. I am running out of things to do on the fuse now. I still have wings to build after the fuse!! I could continue using the tool I just bought, but I really hate using it. My building buddy already has a lot on his plate and needs his tools right now. We were neck and neck in the build, but he has long passed me. I looked at the Sonex site, but there's is smaller and I would rather stay with the plans. Any help would be appreciated. I work as a police officer and a correctional officer, so I don't have a lot of time to look for these specialty tools, especially in the middle of NOWHERE!!! I will take wood, metal, plastic, or even dried mud dye's right now.
Thanks,
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject: flanging dies |
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Big Gee,
Where did you get the plans for the plywood dies??
Thanks,
Randy
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LHusky(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:38 pm Post subject: flanging dies |
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Fritz, I would be interested in seeing a set. Do you have a picture of the die and maybe a picture of a lightning hole. Any instructions on how to make them? I have a band saw and a drill press. The rest, I could probably borrow from another officer at work. I am ready to try anything.
Larry
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ch601xl(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject: flanging dies |
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I would love to get my hands on the plans for the dies. Would post to my website if anyone would like. Between the no weld brake plans from David Clay & this I have gotten half my questions solved about plans building!
On 7/3/06, Big Gee <taffy0687(at)yahoo.com (taffy0687(at)yahoo.com)> wrote: | Quote: | Larry
When I built my 701, I made my flanging dies from plywood as per Chris H. plans. I used them for my 701, got permission from ZAC to use them on the 601 (plans called for slightly different size flanges) and my cousin is now using them for his 701. Simple to make, but take a little time. At the time (no expereince) it took me one day to make a male/female set, the second day I made two different sets.---------(now I could make them all in one day) I have friends who believe in overkill and think they have to be mechined from aluminum at a mechine shop----not so-- unless you are going into the airplane production business.
Fritz -- Corvair, 601XL scratch builder, 90/90
LHusky(at)aol.com (LHusky(at)aol.com) wrote:
| Quote: | OK, I live in the desert! It is 100 miles to the nearest Taco Bell. I am 320 miles from my building buddy who is also building a 601XL. I am at a point in my fuselage where I need to flange my holes. The holes are cut, just needs flanged. I bought a 2 wheel flanging tool from Aircraft Tool Supply because Aircraft Spruce is back ordered. They said the company has been back ordered for some time now and the manufacture said it will be at least another month, so I bought this one. IT STINKS!!! It took me 30 minutes to mess up a perfectly good hole. It won't be seen, so that is the good news. I am wanting to build my center wing spar, but I have to flange the holes first and the front one can be seen if someone at a fly in looks hard enough.
I have been all over town trying to find someone who can make these dye's for me and there just is no equipment here to do it. I don't care if they are made of silly putty!! Does anyone know someone who can make them, or does anyone have a set they would be willing to sell or rent to me. I am running out of things to do on the fuse now. I still have wings to build after the fuse!! I could continue using the tool I just bought, but I really hate using it. My building buddy already has a lot on his plate and needs his tools right now. We were neck and neck in the build, but he has long passed me. I looked at the Sonex site, but there's is smaller and I would rather stay with the plans. Any help would be appreciated. I work as a police officer and a correctional officer, so I don't have a lot of time to look for these specialty tools, especially in the middle of NOWHERE!!! I will take wood, metal, plastic, or even dried mud dye's right now.
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mgraves(at)usmo.com
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:50 am Post subject: flanging dies |
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attached is a file drawing for plans for flanging dies from RSW eng. for
metal ones. But they can be made from wood as well.
The female die is fairly easy to make as one piece with a router and
mating camfer bit...if you have one and also possible with a drill press I
would guess.
The male side is easier to make as three separate flat pieces then both
glued and screwed together.
3/4 hardwoods work the best followed by 3/4 plywood.
And for us that will only use them a few times. Cheap particle board
works very well too. Mine and B. J. Swaller's are 5/8 particle board left
over from carpet underlayment jobs......with scraps of thinner plywood
mixed in. B.J. made his on a drill press.....
They don't have to look pretty to make a nice flange.
Align the dies and drill a hole threw the center for a bolt and big flat
washers to squeeze the dies and form the flange. or put in a shop press
or large arbor press.....
You get the idea........
Monty Graves
701 scratch builder
At 01:56 AM 7/4/2006 -0500, you wrote:
| Quote: | I would love to get my hands on the plans for the dies. Would post to my
website if anyone would like. Between the no weld brake plans from David
Clay & this I have gotten half my questions solved about plans building!
On 7/3/06, Big Gee <<mailto:taffy0687(at)yahoo.com>taffy0687(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
>Larry
>When I built my 701, I made my flanging dies from plywood as per Chris H.
>plans. I used them for my 701, got permission from ZAC to use them on
>the 601 (plans called for slightly different size flanges) and my cousin
>is now using them for his 701. Simple to make, but take a little
>time. At the time (no expereince) it took me one day to make a
>male/female set, the second day I made two different sets.---------(now I
>could make them all in one day) I have friends who believe in overkill
>and think they have to be mechined from aluminum at a mechine shop----not
>so-- unless you are going into the airplane production business.
>Fritz -- Corvair, 601XL scratch builder, 90/90
>
><mailto:LHusky(at)aol.com>LHusky(at)aol.com wrote:
>>OK, I live in the desert! It is 100 miles to the nearest Taco Bell. I
>>am 320 miles from my building buddy who is also building a 601XL. I am
>>at a point in my fuselage where I need to flange my holes. The holes
>>are cut, just needs flanged. I bought a 2 wheel flanging tool from
>>Aircraft Tool Supply because Aircraft Spruce is back ordered. They said
>>the company has been back ordered for some time now and the manufacture
>>said it will be at least another month, so I bought this one. IT
>>STINKS!!! It took me 30 minutes to mess up a perfectly good hole. It
>>won't be seen, so that is the good news. I am wanting to build my
>>center wing spar, but I have to flange the holes first and the front one
>>can be seen if someone at a fly in looks hard enough.
>>
>>I have been all over town trying to find someone who can make these
>>dye's for me and there just is no equipment here to do it. I don't care
>>if they are made of silly putty!! Does anyone know someone who can make
>>them, or does anyone have a set they would be willing to sell or rent to
>>me. I am running out of things to do on the fuse now. I still have
>>wings to build after the fuse!! I could continue using the tool I just
>>bought, but I really hate using it. My building buddy already has a lot
>>on his plate and needs his tools right now. We were neck and neck in
>>the build, but he has long passed me. I looked at the Sonex site, but
>>there's is smaller and I would rather stay with the plans. Any help
>>would be appreciated. I work as a police officer and a correctional
>>officer, so I don't have a lot of time to look for these specialty
>>tools, especially in the middle of NOWHERE!!! I will take wood, metal,
>>plastic, or even dried mud dye's right now.
>>
>>Thanks,
--
Christopher W. E. Smith
fly1m1
<http://ch-601xl.com>http://ch-601xl.com
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ch601xl(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:38 am Post subject: flanging dies |
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Thanks Monty. I have posted this info on my website. Now if I would just order the plans!
On 7/4/06, Monty Graves < mgraves(at)usmo.com (mgraves(at)usmo.com)> wrote: | Quote: | attached is a file drawing for plans for flanging dies from RSW eng. for
metal ones. But they can be made from wood as well.
The female die is fairly easy to make as one piece with a router and
mating camfer bit...if you have one and also possible with a drill press I
would guess.
The male side is easier to make as three separate flat pieces then both
glued and screwed together.
3/4 hardwoods work the best followed by 3/4 plywood.
And for us that will only use them a few times. Cheap particle board
works very well too. Mine and B. J. Swaller's are 5/8 particle board left
over from carpet underlayment jobs......with scraps of thinner plywood
mixed in. B.J. made his on a drill press.....
They don't have to look pretty to make a nice flange.
Align the dies and drill a hole threw the center for a bolt and big flat
washers to squeeze the dies and form the flange. or put in a shop press
or large arbor press.....
You get the idea........
Monty Graves
701 scratch builder
At 01:56 AM 7/4/2006 -0500, you wrote:
| Quote: | I would love to get my hands on the plans for the dies. Would post to my
website if anyone would like. Between the no weld brake plans from David
Clay & this I have gotten half my questions solved about plans building!
On 7/3/06, Big Gee <<mailto:taffy0687(at)yahoo.com (taffy0687(at)yahoo.com)> taffy0687(at)yahoo.com (taffy0687(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
>Larry
>When I built my 701, I made my flanging dies from plywood as per Chris H.
>plans. I used them for my 701, got permission from ZAC to use them on
>>the 601 (plans called for slightly different size flanges) and my cousin
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| Quote: | >is now using them for his 701. Simple to make, but take a little
>time. At the time (no expereince) it took me one day to make a
>male/female set, the second day I made two different sets.---------(now I
>could make them all in one day) I have friends who believe in overkill
>and think they have to be mechined from aluminum at a mechine shop----not
>so-- unless you are going into the airplane production business.
>Fritz -- Corvair, 601XL scratch builder, 90/90
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><mailto:LHusky(at)aol.com (LHusky(at)aol.com)> LHusky(at)aol.com (LHusky(at)aol.com) wrote:
>>OK, I live in the desert! It is 100 miles to the nearest Taco Bell. I
>>am 320 miles from my building buddy who is also building a 601XL. I am
>>at a point in my fuselage where I need to flange my holes. The holes
>>are cut, just needs flanged. I bought a 2 wheel flanging tool from
>>Aircraft Tool Supply because Aircraft Spruce is back ordered. They said
>>the company has been back ordered for some time now and the manufacture
>>said it will be at least another month, so I bought this one. IT
>>STINKS!!! It took me 30 minutes to mess up a perfectly good hole. It
>>won't be seen, so that is the good news. I am wanting to build my
>>center wing spar, but I have to flange the holes first and the front one
>>can be seen if someone at a fly in looks hard enough.
>>
>>I have been all over town trying to find someone who can make these
>>dye's for me and there just is no equipment here to do it. I don't care
>>if they are made of silly putty!! Does anyone know someone who can make
>>them, or does anyone have a set they would be willing to sell or rent to
>>me. I am running out of things to do on the fuse now. I still have
>>wings to build after the fuse!! I could continue using the tool I just
>>bought, but I really hate using it. My building buddy already has a lot
>>on his plate and needs his tools right now. We were neck and neck in
>>the build, but he has long passed me. I looked at the Sonex site, but
>>there's is smaller and I would rather stay with the plans. Any help
>>would be appreciated. I work as a police officer and a correctional
>>officer, so I don't have a lot of time to look for these specialty
>>tools, especially in the middle of NOWHERE!!! I will take wood, metal,
>>plastic, or even dried mud dye's right now.
>>
>>Thanks,
--
>Christopher W. E. Smith
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:23 am Post subject: Flanging dies |
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When using flanging dies of any type, after you cut the holes, make sure you sand the inside of the hole until you can run your finger around the inside edge and feel NO nicks or other imperfections. Any nick can cause the flange to crack while it is being formed. I ruined a nose rib learning this lesson.
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:48 am Post subject: Flanging dies |
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Yep, I learned the value of smoothing and finishing edges helping a friend build his first UL airplane. Every time I worked with him on the plane I came away as cut up as if I had been in a cat fight. Now I'm helping him build an RV7-A and fortunatley all the carping has sunken in. His plane isn't a trauma center this time.
Ed Moody II
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