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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 11:32 am Post subject: Fuel Pump

There are many schools of thought. "Mine" is that my Facet  pumps fuel

to the Mikuni pump, and from there to the engine. I have done so since

1997 with no problems using engines from 447-503-582 to HKS. I try to

keep it as simple as I can. Others may feel differently. Your choice.

Larry

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 1:19 PM, west1m <west1m(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

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 Does anyone pump in series (or through) their Mikuni fuel pump?

 I ask as I had a wire break off my regulator and eventually lost all power to gauges, EIS and GPS before getting back to home field. It would have been a much shorter flight with only the Facet pump.



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 West1m

 Hastings, MN





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Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 12:09 pm Post subject: Fuel Pump

I pump in series.... 

Boyd Young mkiii

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel Pump

The Mikuni is perfectly happy to have the Facet feed it, and just as happy when you turn the Facet off, because a properly functioning Mikuni will pull the fuel through a properly functioning (but turned off) Facet.

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west1m

Joined: 19 Apr 2014
Posts: 155
Location: Hastings, MN

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel Pump

Thanks, sounds like a good addition. I looked a t a couple specs on facets (maybe not the one earlier mentioned) browsing around. I saw lift specs as low as 12 inches. Where do you mount the pump? Just right outside the tank rails tank level?

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West1m
Hastings, MN

west1m

Joined: 19 Apr 2014
Posts: 155
Location: Hastings, MN

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel Pump

I just figured out that is probably a bad question as I have a Firefly with the small 5 gallon tank and is likely completely different than the larger Kolbs.

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West1m
Hastings, MN

lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 4:39 pm Post subject: Fuel Pump

I mounted mine on the boom tube in front of the tanks. Just be sure

that you get the facett pump that the recent discussion was about.

2-3 lbs or something like that.



Larry



On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 6:09 PM, west1m <west1m(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

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 I just figured out that is probably a bad question as I have a Firefly with the small 5 gallon tank and is likely completely different than the larger Kolbs.



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 Hastings, MN





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Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 5:56 pm Post subject: Fuel Pump

Thanks for asking the same question that I had about still using the pulse pump along with the facet electric pump. I like redundancy when it comes to aircraft fuel systems. And thanks all the good information that was generated

rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 4:38 pm Post subject: Fuel Pump

George, Congrats on the return to flight. Always good to hear that another Kolb is back in the air.I ran a Facet on my Mk III above the tanks, probably 20 inches of lift and never a problem. Just replumbed the fuel system on my HKS powered trike. A Facet in series with a Mikuni DF52. Flight tested it with a five minute climb at full power with the Facet off. The little HKS never missed a beat. Total lift for the Mikuni about 26 inches.

Safe flying,

Rick

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 8:56 PM, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Thanks for asking the same question that I had about still using the pulse pump along with the facet electric pump. I like redundancy when it comes to aircraft fuel systems. And thanks all the good information that was generated.

  I ordered a new rectifier/ regulator, 24V 22000uf capacitor and a 40104 fuel pump last week and am waiting for everything to come. I'm going to run some lift tests before mounting the new pump simply because I would like to mount the facet pump above my fuel tank if it lifts sufficiently? Time will tell?

 Oh yeah guys I flew my restored Firestar (original) yesterday! It was its first flight in 28 years and it was sweet.

 George H.

 Firestar #FS100

 Mesick, Michigan

 gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)

 Have a great day!

 > On May 27, 2017, at 3:19 PM, west1m <west1m(at)hotmail.com (west1m(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

 >

 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com (west1m(at)hotmail.com)>

 >

 > Does anyone pump in series (or through) their Mikuni fuel pump?

 > I ask as I had a wire break off my regulator and eventually lost all power to gauges, EIS and GPS before getting back to home field. It would have been a much shorter flight with only the Facet pump.

 >

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 > West1m

 > Hastings, MN

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Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 5:03 pm Post subject: Fuel Pump

Thanks, Rick! I was amazed on how well the little bird flew. It's good to back in a Kolb. Hopefully the weather up here in northern Michigan will finally decide to stop raining and give us fair winds and blue skies.

George H.

Firestar, #FS100

14GDH

Mesick, Mi.

gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)

Have a great day!

On May 28, 2017, at 8:36 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  George, Congrats on the return to flight. Always good to hear that another Kolb is back in the air.I ran a Facet on my Mk III above the tanks, probably 20 inches of lift and never a problem. Just replumbed the fuel system on my HKS powered trike. A Facet in series with a Mikuni DF52. Flight tested it with a five minute climb at full power with the Facet off. The little HKS never missed a beat. Total lift for the Mikuni about 26 inches.

Safe flying,

Rick

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 8:56 PM, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Thanks for asking the same question that I had about still using the pulse pump along with the facet electric pump. I like redundancy when it comes to aircraft fuel systems. And thanks all the good information that was generated.

  I ordered a new rectifier/ regulator, 24V 22000uf capacitor and a 40104 fuel pump last week and am waiting for everything to come. I'm going to run some lift tests before mounting the new pump simply because I would like to mount the facet pump above my fuel tank if it lifts sufficiently? Time will tell?

 Oh yeah guys I flew my restored Firestar (original) yesterday! It was its first flight in 28 years and it was sweet.

 George H.

 Firestar #FS100

 Mesick, Michigan

 gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)

 Have a great day!

 > On May 27, 2017, at 3:19 PM, west1m <west1m(at)hotmail.com (west1m(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

 >

 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com (west1m(at)hotmail.com)>

 >

 > Does anyone pump in series (or through) their Mikuni fuel pump?

 > I ask as I had a wire break off my regulator and eventually lost all power to gauges, EIS and GPS before getting back to home field. It would have been a much shorter flight with only the Facet pump.

 >

 > --------

 > West1m

 > Hastings, MN

 >

 >

 >

 >

 > Read this topic online here:

 >

 > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469643#469643

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“Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.”   Groucho Marx

gdhelton(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 12:01 pm Post subject: Fuel Pump

Question on installation of the 24V 22000uf capacitor do I just put it between the positive & negative posts on the battery or positive to ground at the Fuel pump? Thanks in advance. George H.

Have a great day!

On May 28, 2017, at 8:36 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  George, Congrats on the return to flight. Always good to hear that another Kolb is back in the air.I ran a Facet on my Mk III above the tanks, probably 20 inches of lift and never a problem. Just replumbed the fuel system on my HKS powered trike. A Facet in series with a Mikuni DF52. Flight tested it with a five minute climb at full power with the Facet off. The little HKS never missed a beat. Total lift for the Mikuni about 26 inches.

Safe flying,

Rick

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 8:56 PM, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Thanks for asking the same question that I had about still using the pulse pump along with the facet electric pump. I like redundancy when it comes to aircraft fuel systems. And thanks all the good information that was generated.

  I ordered a new rectifier/ regulator, 24V 22000uf capacitor and a 40104 fuel pump last week and am waiting for everything to come. I'm going to run some lift tests before mounting the new pump simply because I would like to mount the facet pump above my fuel tank if it lifts sufficiently? Time will tell?

 Oh yeah guys I flew my restored Firestar (original) yesterday! It was its first flight in 28 years and it was sweet.

 George H.

 Firestar #FS100

 Mesick, Michigan

 gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)

 Have a great day!

 > On May 27, 2017, at 3:19 PM, west1m <west1m(at)hotmail.com (west1m(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

 >

 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com (west1m(at)hotmail.com)>

 >

 > Does anyone pump in series (or through) their Mikuni fuel pump?

 > I ask as I had a wire break off my regulator and eventually lost all power to gauges, EIS and GPS before getting back to home field. It would have been a much shorter flight with only the Facet pump.

 >

 > --------

 > West1m

 > Hastings, MN

 >

 >

 >

 >

 > Read this topic online here:

 >

 > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469643#469643

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“Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.”   Groucho Marx

gdhelton(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:23 pm Post subject: Fuel Pump

This is thanks to you Kolbers who contributed to my request for information on the Facet fuel pump. I had to add an electrical system to my 1986 Firestar as I'd never really needed one before. I used pretty much all of your input. Here's what I came up with and it seems to work quite well. 

I fabricated a mount plate that mounts to the aft cage section directly under the engine mounts. It's mounted using 4 ea. Steel with rubber insulated harness clamps. The mounting plate includes the rectifier/voltage regulator, Facet 40104 fuel pump, 25v22000uf capiciter and sealed lead acid Duracell 12 volt battery. I think the total cost was around $130.00 including wiring and a master power switch. Total weight came out to 3.8 pounds. Here's a couple of pictures. Before and after installation. Thank you all your help.

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George H.

Firestar, FS#100

14GDH

Mesick, Michigan 

gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)

Have a great day!

On May 28, 2017, at 8:36 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  George, Congrats on the return to flight. Always good to hear that another Kolb is back in the air.I ran a Facet on my Mk III above the tanks, probably 20 inches of lift and never a problem. Just replumbed the fuel system on my HKS powered trike. A Facet in series with a Mikuni DF52. Flight tested it with a five minute climb at full power with the Facet off. The little HKS never missed a beat. Total lift for the Mikuni about 26 inches.

Safe flying,

Rick

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 8:56 PM, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Thanks for asking the same question that I had about still using the pulse pump along with the facet electric pump. I like redundancy when it comes to aircraft fuel systems. And thanks all the good information that was generated.

  I ordered a new rectifier/ regulator, 24V 22000uf capacitor and a 40104 fuel pump last week and am waiting for everything to come. I'm going to run some lift tests before mounting the new pump simply because I would like to mount the facet pump above my fuel tank if it lifts sufficiently? Time will tell?

 Oh yeah guys I flew my restored Firestar (original) yesterday! It was its first flight in 28 years and it was sweet.

 George H.

 Firestar #FS100

 Mesick, Michigan

 gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)

 Have a great day!

 > On May 27, 2017, at 3:19 PM, west1m <west1m(at)hotmail.com (west1m(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

 >

 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com (west1m(at)hotmail.com)>

 >

 > Does anyone pump in series (or through) their Mikuni fuel pump?

 > I ask as I had a wire break off my regulator and eventually lost all power to gauges, EIS and GPS before getting back to home field. It would have been a much shorter flight with only the Facet pump.

 >

 > --------

 > West1m

 > Hastings, MN

 >

 >

 >

 >

 > Read this topic online here:

 >

 > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469643#469643

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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:47 pm Post subject: Fuel Pump

PLEASE be careful with having fuel lines and seals and connections just a few inches from a battery and electrical connections !

Bill Berle

www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities

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On Fri, 6/2/17, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Re: Fuel Pump

 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Friday, June 2, 2017, 3:22 PM

 This is

 thanks to you Kolbers who contributed to my request for

 information on the Facet fuel pump. I had to add an

 electrical system to my 1986 Firestar as I'd never

 really needed one before. I used pretty much all of your

 input. Here's what I came up with and it seems to work

 quite well. I fabricated a mount

 plate that mounts to the aft cage section directly under the

 engine mounts. It's mounted using 4 ea. Steel with

 rubber insulated harness clamps. The mounting plate includes

 the rectifier/voltage regulator, Facet 40104 fuel pump,

 25v22000uf capiciter and sealed lead acid Duracell 12 volt

 battery. I think the total cost was around $130.00 including

 wiring and a master power switch. Total weight came out to

 3.8 pounds. Here's a couple of pictures. Before and

 after installation. Thank you all your help.

 George H.Firestar,

 FS#10014GDHMesick,

 Michigan gdhelton(at)gmail.comHave a great

 day!

 On May 28,

 2017, at 8:36 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>

 wrote:

 George, Congrats on the

 return to flight. Always good to hear that another Kolb is

 back in the air.I ran a Facet on my Mk III above the

 tanks, probably 20 inches of lift and never a problem. Just

 replumbed the fuel system on my HKS powered trike. A Facet

 in series with a Mikuni DF52. Flight tested it with a five

 minute climb at full power with the Facet off. The little

 HKS never missed a beat. Total lift for the Mikuni about 26

 inches.Safe

 flying,Rick

 On Sat, May 27, 2017 at

 8:56 PM, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com>

 wrote:

 Thanks

 for asking the same question that I had about still using

 the pulse pump along with the facet electric pump. I like

 redundancy when it comes to aircraft fuel systems. And

 thanks all the good information that was generated.

  I ordered a new rectifier/ regulator, 24V 22000uf

 capacitor and a 40104 fuel pump last week and am waiting for

 everything to come. I'm going to run some lift tests

 before mounting the new pump simply because I would like to

 mount the facet pump above my fuel tank if it lifts

 sufficiently? Time will tell?

 Oh yeah guys I flew my restored Firestar (original)

 yesterday! It was its first flight in 28 years and it was

 sweet.

 George H.

 Firestar #FS100

 Mesick, Michigan

 gdhelton(at)gmail.com

 Have a great day!

 > On May 27, 2017, at 3:19 PM, west1m <west1m(at)hotmail.com>

 wrote:

 >

 > 

 <west1m(at)hotmail.com>

 >

 > Does anyone pump in series (or through) their Mikuni

 fuel pump?

 > I ask as I had a wire break off my regulator and

 eventually lost all power to gauges, EIS and GPS before

 getting back to home field. It would have been a much

 shorter flight with only the Facet pump.

 >

 > --------

 > West1m

 > Hastings, MN

 >

 >

 >

 >

 > Read this topic online here:

 >

 > http://forums.matronics.com/

 viewtopic.php?p=469643#469643

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 ===== ======

 ===== ======

 ===== ======

 ===== ======

 ===== ======

 >

 >

 >

 -- 

 “Blessed are

 the cracked, for they shall let in the light.”   Groucho

 Marx

gdhelton(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:07 pm Post subject: Fuel Pump

I still have heat shrink the terminal connections on the battery wires. Thanks for the reply. George H.

Have a great day!

 	  Quote: 	
		   On Jun 2, 2017, at 6:47 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 PLEASE be careful with having fuel lines and seals and connections just a few inches from a battery and electrical connections !

 Bill Berle

 www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

 www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities

 --------------------------------------------

 On Fri, 6/2/17, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Re: Fuel Pump

 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Friday, June 2, 2017, 3:22 PM

 This is

 thanks to you Kolbers who contributed to my request for

 information on the Facet fuel pump. I had to add an

 electrical system to my 1986 Firestar as I'd never

 really needed one before. I used pretty much all of your

 input. Here's what I came up with and it seems to work

 quite well. I fabricated a mount

 plate that mounts to the aft cage section directly under the

 engine mounts. It's mounted using 4 ea. Steel with

 rubber insulated harness clamps. The mounting plate includes

 the rectifier/voltage regulator, Facet 40104 fuel pump,

 25v22000uf capiciter and sealed lead acid Duracell 12 volt

 battery. I think the total cost was around $130.00 including

 wiring and a master power switch. Total weight came out to

 3.8 pounds. Here's a couple of pictures. Before and

 after installation. Thank you all your help.

 George H.Firestar,

 FS#10014GDHMesick,

 Michigan gdhelton(at)gmail.comHave a great

 day!

 On May 28,

 2017, at 8:36 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>

 wrote:

 George, Congrats on the

 return to flight. Always good to hear that another Kolb is

 back in the air.I ran a Facet on my Mk III above the

 tanks, probably 20 inches of lift and never a problem. Just

 replumbed the fuel system on my HKS powered trike. A Facet

 in series with a Mikuni DF52. Flight tested it with a five

 minute climb at full power with the Facet off. The little

 HKS never missed a beat. Total lift for the Mikuni about 26

 inches.Safe

 flying,Rick

 On Sat, May 27, 2017 at

 8:56 PM, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com>

 wrote:

 Thanks

 for asking the same question that I had about still using

 the pulse pump along with the facet electric pump. I like

 redundancy when it comes to aircraft fuel systems. And

 thanks all the good information that was generated.

  I ordered a new rectifier/ regulator, 24V 22000uf

 capacitor and a 40104 fuel pump last week and am waiting for

 everything to come. I'm going to run some lift tests

 before mounting the new pump simply because I would like to

 mount the facet pump above my fuel tank if it lifts

 sufficiently? Time will tell?

 Oh yeah guys I flew my restored Firestar (original)

 yesterday! It was its first flight in 28 years and it was

 sweet.

 George H.

 Firestar #FS100

 Mesick, Michigan

 gdhelton(at)gmail.com

 Have a great day!

> On May 27, 2017, at 3:19 PM, west1m <west1m(at)hotmail.com>

 wrote:

> 

> 

 <west1m(at)hotmail.com>

> 

> Does anyone pump in series (or through) their Mikuni

 fuel pump?

> I ask as I had a wire break off my regulator and

 eventually lost all power to gauges, EIS and GPS before

 getting back to home field. It would have been a much

 shorter flight with only the Facet pump.

> 

> --------

> West1m

> Hastings, MN

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Read this topic online here:

> 

> http://forums.matronics.com/

 viewtopic.php?p=469643#469643

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mojaveclimber

Joined: 06 Mar 2014
Posts: 19

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:13 pm Post subject: Fuel Pump

West1mI have flow my R582 powered Mk3 for four plus years operating in series with good result.  Tank to filter to electric powered pump to vacuum pulse pump to filters to carbs.  

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 4:06 PM, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  --> Kolb-List message posted by: George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)>

 

 I still have heat shrink the terminal connections on the battery wires. Thanks for the reply. George H.

 

 

 Have a great day!

 

 > On Jun 2, 2017, at 6:47 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:

 >

 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)>

 >

 > PLEASE be careful with having fuel lines and seals and connections just a few inches from a battery and electrical connections !

 >

 > Bill Berle

 > www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

 > www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities

 >

 > --------------------------------------------

 > On Fri, 6/2/17, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 >

 > Subject: Re: Re: Fuel Pump

 > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)

 > Date: Friday, June 2, 2017, 3:22 PM

 >

 > This is

 > thanks to you Kolbers who contributed to my request for

 > information on the Facet fuel pump. I had to add an

 > electrical system to my 1986 Firestar as I'd never

 > really needed one before. I used pretty much all of your

 > input. Here's what I came up with and it seems to work

 > quite well. I fabricated a mount

 > plate that mounts to the aft cage section directly under the

 > engine mounts. It's mounted using 4 ea. Steel with

 > rubber insulated harness clamps. The mounting plate includes

 > the rectifier/voltage regulator, Facet 40104 fuel pump,

 > 25v22000uf capiciter and sealed lead acid Duracell 12 volt

 > battery. I think the total cost was around $130.00 including

 > wiring and a master power switch. Total weight came out to

 > 3.8 pounds. Here's a couple of pictures. Before and

 > after installation. Thank you all your help.

 >

 >

 > George H.Firestar,

 > FS#10014GDHMesick,

 > Michigan gdhelton(at)gmail.comHave a great

 > day!

 > On May 28,

 > 2017, at 8:36 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)>

 > wrote:

 >

 > George, Congrats on the

 > return to flight. Always good to hear that another Kolb is

 > back in the air.I ran a Facet on my Mk III above the

 > tanks, probably 20 inches of lift and never a problem. Just

 > replumbed the fuel system on my HKS powered trike. A Facet

 > in series with a Mikuni DF52. Flight tested it with a five

 > minute climb at full power with the Facet off. The little

 > HKS never missed a beat. Total lift for the Mikuni about 26

 > inches.Safe

 > flying,Rick

 > On Sat, May 27, 2017 at

 > 8:56 PM, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)>

 > wrote:

 > Thanks

 > for asking the same question that I had about still using

 > the pulse pump along with the facet electric pump. I like

 > redundancy when it comes to aircraft fuel systems. And

 > thanks all the good information that was generated.

 >

 >  I ordered a new rectifier/ regulator, 24V 22000uf

 > capacitor and a 40104 fuel pump last week and am waiting for

 > everything to come. I'm going to run some lift tests

 > before mounting the new pump simply because I would like to

 > mount the facet pump above my fuel tank if it lifts

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 > eventually lost all power to gauges, EIS and GPS before

 > getting back to home field. It would have been a much

 > shorter flight with only the Facet pump.

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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:10 am Post subject: Re: Fuel Pump

Thanks for the input on plumbing. I think I will replace the squeeze bulb thingie with a facet. There should be a good place by the tank to mount it.

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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:09 am Post subject: Fuel Pump

I finished the installation of my Facet pump(#40140) this morning. I had put a electrical system in my Firestar because it never had one. I had heatshrink the exposed battery terminals. Didn't think want any change of sparkies around my pump and fuel lines.

Does anyone remember back in the 80's when we flew the Eipper MX's and MXL's with 5 gallons of fuel right over our heads and a screaming Cayuna or Rotax with its hot exhaust right behind us? They were a lot of fun! 

George H.

Firestar, #FS100

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Mesick, Michigan 

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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:05 am Post subject: Re: Fuel Pump

I do remember the Eipper and the Cayuna. That was the engine that liked to quit at the most inopportune times. I had a Weedhopper before that with a single cyl motor hanging out on the end of a pole that just flopped back and forth on a couple for bolts. It two alligator clips that hooked to 6V lantern battery to run the Ford ignition coil.

  http://www.west1m.com/flyin/index.html

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Good times.



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 I do remember the Eipper and the Cayuna. That was the engine that liked to quit at the most inopportune times. I had a Weedhopper before that with a single cyl motor hanging out on the end of a pole that just flopped back and forth on a couple for bolts. It two alligator clips that hooked to 6V lantern battery to run the Ford ignition coil.

  http://www.west1m.com/flyin/index.html

 

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