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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:37 am Post subject: Magic marker "robustness"

At 05:20 AM 8/31/2017, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Jon,



 That's a relief! I am most concerned about the labeling inside the cabin and behind the instrument panel. Forward of the firewall will be very simple in my plane and it won't matter much if the labels fade. 	




   Something I've observed about Sharpie and/or

   magic marker inks.  I have been using the

   6qt 'shoeboxes' by Stearlite as dust tight

   materials storage in my shops for several years.



   I label the ends of the boxes with yellow vinyl

   tape captioned with a Sharpie. The label on the

   right is about 10 years old. The drop in letter

   density compared to the label on the left is

   observable.



   

 [img]cid:.0[/img]



   The exposed lettering appears to literally

   evaporate.   Evaporation rate is probably temperature

   and air flow dependent. There might also be effects

   of ozone and/or hydrocarbons in the surrounding

   air.



   I've developed another technique for crafting these

   labels. After captioning with the marker, I put a

   layer of clear tape over the lettering.



 . I'm thinking that the clear overlay will have a

   profound effect on the robustness of my shop

   labels. For wire labels laid on white heat shrink,

   one might consider putting a layer of clear

   shrink over the label.



   I note too that Sharpies come in a 'permanent'

   version which is also available in ultra-fine

   points.



  http://tinyurl.com/y8rj6t3j



   One of these days I'll conduct some experiments

   with this marking methodology and I'll hang

   some samples under the hoods of my vehicles.



  

   



 

 

   Bob . . .

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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:41 am Post subject: Magic marker "robustness"

At 05:20 AM 8/31/2017, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Jon,



 That's a relief! I am most concerned about the labeling inside the cabin and behind the instrument panel. Forward of the firewall will be very simple in my plane and it won't matter much if the labels fade. 	




   Something I've observed about Sharpie and/or

   magic marker inks.  I have been using the

   6qt 'shoeboxes' by Stearlite as dust tight

   materials storage in my shops for several years.



   I label the ends of the boxes with yellow vinyl

   tape captioned with a Sharpie. The label on the

   right is about 10 years old. The drop in letter

   density compared to the label on the left is

   observable.



   

 [img]cid:7.1.0.9.0.20170901173210.01f91a90(at)aeroelectric.com.1[/img] 



   The exposed lettering appears to literally

   evaporate.   Evaporation rate is probably temperature

   and air flow dependent. There might also be effects

   of ozone and/or hydrocarbons in the surrounding

   air.



   I've developed another technique for crafting these

   labels. After captioning with the marker, I put a

   layer of clear tape over the lettering.



 . I'm thinking that the clear overlay will have a

   profound effect on the robustness of my shop

   labels. For wire labels laid on white heat shrink,

   one might consider putting a layer of clear

   shrink over the label.



   I note too that Sharpies come in a 'permanent'

   version which is also available in ultra-fine

   points.



  http://tinyurl.com/y8rj6t3j



   One of these days I'll conduct some experiments

   with this marking methodology and I'll hang

   some samples under the hoods of my vehicles.



  

   



 

 

   Bob . . .

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Bill Allen

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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:24 am Post subject: Magic marker "robustness"

My Sharpie story.



Some years ago, I flew my LongEz from the UK to the US and on to Mojave, where I met Burt Rutan and had him sign the fuselage with a sharpie. I was so proud of this that I covered the signature with clear plastic vinyl, to protect it.



Although my Ez is always hangared, the signature nevertheless slowly faded over the years, to the point of invisibility.....

Bill Allen



On 1 September 2017 at 23:32, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		    At 05:20 AM 8/31/2017, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Jon,



 That's a relief! I am most concerned about the labeling inside the cabin and behind the instrument panel. Forward of the firewall will be very simple in my plane and it won't matter much if the labels fade. 	




   Something I've observed about Sharpie and/or

   magic marker inks.  I have been using the

   6qt 'shoeboxes' by Stearlite as dust tight

   materials storage in my shops for several years.



   I label the ends of the boxes with yellow vinyl

   tape captioned with a Sharpie. The label on the

   right is about 10 years old. The drop in letter

   density compared to the label on the left is

   observable.



   

 [img]cid:7.1.0.9.0.20170901173210.01f91a90(at)aeroelectric.com.1[/img] 



   The exposed lettering appears to literally

   evaporate.   Evaporation rate is probably temperature

   and air flow dependent. There might also be effects

   of ozone and/or hydrocarbons in the surrounding

   air.



   I've developed another technique for crafting these

   labels. After captioning with the marker, I put a

   layer of clear tape over the lettering.



 . I'm thinking that the clear overlay will have a

   profound effect on the robustness of my shop

   labels. For wire labels laid on white heat shrink,

   one might consider putting a layer of clear

   shrink over the label.



   I note too that Sharpies come in a 'permanent'

   version which is also available in ultra-fine

   points.



  http://tinyurl.com/y8rj6t3j



   One of these days I'll conduct some experiments

   with this marking methodology and I'll hang

   some samples under the hoods of my vehicles.



  

   



 

 

   Bob . . . 

  	




-- 

Bill AllenLongEz160 N99BA FD51

CZ4 G-BYLZ EGBJ

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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:40 pm Post subject: Magic marker "robustness"

At 07:15 AM 9/2/2017, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  My Sharpie story.



 Some years ago, I flew my LongEz from the UK to the US and on to Mojave, where I met Burt Rutan and had him sign the fuselage with a sharpie. I was so proud of this that I covered the signature with clear plastic vinyl, to protect it.



 Although my Ez is always hangared, the signature nevertheless slowly faded over the years, to the point of invisibility.....



 Bill Allen 	


   Well fooey . . . on two counts.



   Burt is one of my heros. Had an opportunity to

   contribute to the Voyager project and was

   present at both the roll out and victory

   parties. He's an amazing individual . . . as

   was his desert skunk werks. Sad to loose

   that unique artifact.



   So, does the pigment 'bleach' with age? Soak

   into the surface? As I mentioned earlier, there

   are two versions of the Sharpie, one claiming

   to be 'permanent'. 



   Guess we don't yet understand the nature of

   the impermanence. I poked around on the 'net

   and ran across some reviews of this product

   with respect to permanence . . . ordered

   some to play with . . .



  http://tinyurl.com/yc3r8zpz



 



 

   Bob . . .

ceengland7(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:05 am Post subject: Magic marker "robustness"

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		    At 07:15 AM 9/2/2017, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  My Sharpie story.



 Some years ago, I flew my LongEz from the UK to the US and on to Mojave, where I met Burt Rutan and had him sign the fuselage with a sharpie. I was so proud of this that I covered the signature with clear plastic vinyl, to protect it.



 Although my Ez is always hangared, the signature nevertheless slowly faded over the years, to the point of invisibility.....



 Bill Allen 	


   Well fooey . . . on two counts.



   Burt is one of my heros. Had an opportunity to

   contribute to the Voyager project and was

   present at both the roll out and victory

   parties. He's an amazing individual . . . as

   was his desert skunk werks. Sad to loose

   that unique artifact.



   So, does the pigment 'bleach' with age? Soak

   into the surface? As I mentioned earlier, there

   are two versions of the Sharpie, one claiming

   to be 'permanent'. 



   Guess we don't yet understand the nature of

   the impermanence. I poked around on the 'net

   and ran across some reviews of this product

   with respect to permanence . . . ordered

   some to play with . . .



  http://tinyurl.com/yc3r8zpz



 



 

   Bob . . .  

	


Waaay too many variables, like a lot of stuff we do with experimental a/c.One guy says it (whatever 'it' might be) will never work, 'cause it didn't work for me. Another says it works fine, 'cause it worked for me. Nobody can actually specify every detail, often because we don't know which details actually matter.

This morning, I needed to add gear oil to my finish mower's gearbox. As I was pouring the 90 weight oil, I noticed the 'label' on the jug. This jug is *at least* 10 years old; probably closer to 15, and it's been on a shelf in an open (no hangar door) hangar for its entire life. The marker ID was added after the original plastic shrink labeling fell off, due to oil/etc contamination and damage, very early in the jug's 'career'. Like everyone else, I can't say for sure which marker I used, or even if I cleaned the jug before marking it. I *think* I probably used the brand/style marker shown in the pic, and probably did a quick wipe with alcohol before marking. But it was a decade or more ago, so.....

Charlie

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art(at)zemon.name
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:09 am Post subject: Magic marker "robustness"

Reading that Sharpie markers fade with time sometimes, I have decided to buy a real label maker machine. I am making the conservative choice, a K-Sun Bee3-EZ. Everything that I have read says that these heat-shrink labels work well and last a long time.

I started using permanent fine-point Sharpie written on white heat-shrink. It works great. BUT... I want confidence that the labels will be clearly legible in 10 years or so.

BTW, I used the regular width, permanent Sharpie to label some of my clear plastic parts drawers. After five years, the black had faded away from some of them. I don't know if it was sunlight or what. Other labels on the same plastic with the same marker are fine. It's a mystery that I don't need to have inside my airplane.

Cheers,

    -- Art Z.



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deej(at)deej.net
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:45 am Post subject: Magic marker "robustness"

Several years ago I read somewhere that the blue Sharpie permanent 

markers lasted the longest compared to the other colors, but I have no 

reference to back that up.



I have clear plastic sandwich bags that I marked a decade or so ago with 

a blue Sharpie, and they have held up okay, but do indicate some fading. 

  Some aluminum parts I marked with the same marker around the same time 

still look fresh as the day I marked them.



-Dj



-- 

Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87

Building: Sportsman 2+2 - Currently Flying: Glastar

Previously: Cessna 150 - Glasair 1 FT - Grumman AA1B

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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:06 am Post subject: Magic marker "robustness"

I think the material being marked also plays a part in how "permanent" the markings are. Different plastics absorb the sharpie better than others. As others have stated, sometimes packing tape, clear vinyl, or other covering will extend the life of the sharpie. 



Environmental factors also play a part (UV light, heat, humidity, etc.). 

If you absolutely need it to be permanent, use something that is appropriately rated. 

-Brian



On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 10:50 AM Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net (deej(at)deej.net)> wrote:



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 Several years ago I read somewhere that the blue Sharpie permanent

 markers lasted the longest compared to the other colors, but I have no

 reference to back that up.

 

 I have clear plastic sandwich bags that I marked a decade or so ago with

 a blue Sharpie, and they have held up okay, but do indicate some fading.

   Some aluminum parts I marked with the same marker around the same time

 still look fresh as the day I marked them.

 

 -Dj

 

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 Building: Sportsman 2+2 - Currently Flying: Glastar

 Previously: Cessna 150 - Glasair 1 FT - Grumman AA1B

 

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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:52 am Post subject: Magic marker "robustness"

Gents,

Earlier this year I purchased a DYMO RHINO 4200 label machine to replace an old, 1st gen., RHINO I had been using for many years.  



[img]cid:C46704E4-3D87-40E5-AD64-F6CB45578E72[/img]



These things print on several types of adhesive labels that seem to stick very well as well as printing on shrink tube.  The labels come in clear, silver and white as well as printing in red, black and other colors.  The shrink tube is in white or yellow.  The labels & shrink tube are available in sizes of 1/4, 3/8, 1/2 and 3/4 inch.  This thing is super easy to use.  I do recommend not printing one label at a time. Identify and print a large batch all at once to save wastage between labels.



One availability is through Amazon but there may be other sources at better prices.  But the Amazon listing shows all pertinent information and has a demo video.



https://smile.amazon.com/DYMO-RHINO-Label-Maker-1801611/dp/B005MR516Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1504450593&sr=8-2&keywords=dymo+rhino+label+maker



My best piece of advice is to be sure you are buying real DYMO cartridges as there are Chinese knockoffs that can be of highly variable quality (sometimes equal to DYMO,sometimes crap, use at your own risk).  Those ones you see in plastic bags are the knockoffs.  The real DYMO cartridges come in well labeled boxes as can be seen on the Amazon posting.



I did the print tiny labels on paper and hide under clear shrink, I did the fine line sharpie on shrink tube before the RHINO.  They work but can be a real PITA to accomplish well.  The DYMO is more expensive but it sure is quick and easy to do well.



Just my tuppence on the subject, YMMV.



Blue skies & tailwinds,Bob BorgerEuropa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP3705 Lynchburg Dr.Corinth, TX  76208-5331Cel: 817-992-1117rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)

On Sep 3, 2017, at 9:07 AM, Art Zemon <art(at)zemon.name (art(at)zemon.name)> wrote:

Reading that Sharpie markers fade with time sometimes, I have decided to buy a real label maker machine. I am making the conservative choice, a K-Sun Bee3-EZ. Everything that I have read says that these heat-shrink labels work well and last a long time.



I started using permanent fine-point Sharpie written on white heat-shrink. It works great. BUT... I want confidence that the labels will be clearly legible in 10 years or so.



BTW, I used the regular width, permanent Sharpie to label some of my clear plastic parts drawers. After five years, the black had faded away from some of them. I don't know if it was sunlight or what. Other labels on the same plastic with the same marker are fine. It's a mystery that I don't need to have inside my airplane.



Cheers,    -- Art Z.

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ceengland7(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:28 am Post subject: Magic marker "robustness"

Boy, that thing is really BIG. Are you sure the labels will fit in the plane?







On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Robert Borger <rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Gents,



Earlier this year I purchased a DYMO RHINO 4200 label machine to replace an old, 1st gen., RHINO I had been using for many years.  

These things print on several types of adhesive labels that seem to stick very well as well as printing on shrink tube.  The labels come in clear, silver and white as well as printing in red, black and other colors.  The shrink tube is in white or yellow.  The labels & shrink tube are available in sizes of 1/4, 3/8, 1/2 and 3/4 inch.  This thing is super easy to use.  I do recommend not printing one label at a time. Identify and print a large batch all at once to save wastage between labels.

One availability is through Amazon but there may be other sources at better prices.  But the Amazon listing shows all pertinent information and has a demo video.

https://smile.amazon.com/DYMO-RHINO-Label-Maker-1801611/dp/B005MR516Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1504450593&sr=8-2&keywords=dymo+rhino+label+maker

My best piece of advice is to be sure you are buying real DYMO cartridges as there are Chinese knockoffs that can be of highly variable quality (sometimes equal to DYMO,sometimes crap, use at your own risk).  Those ones you see in plastic bags are the knockoffs.  The real DYMO cartridges come in well labeled boxes as can be seen on the Amazon posting.

I did the print tiny labels on paper and hide under clear shrink, I did the fine line sharpie on shrink tube before the RHINO.  They work but can be a real PITA to accomplish well.  The DYMO is more expensive but it sure is quick and easy to do well.

Just my tuppence on the subject, YMMV.

Blue skies & tailwinds,

Bob Borger

Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).

Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP

3705 Lynchburg Dr.

Corinth, TX  76208-5331

Cel: [url=tel:(817)%20992-1117]817-992-1117[/url]

rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)



On Sep 3, 2017, at 9:07 AM, Art Zemon <art(at)zemon.name (art(at)zemon.name)> wrote:

Reading that Sharpie markers fade with time sometimes, I have decided to buy a real label maker machine. I am making the conservative choice, a K-Sun Bee3-EZ. Everything that I have read says that these heat-shrink labels work well and last a long time.

I started using permanent fine-point Sharpie written on white heat-shrink. It works great. BUT... I want confidence that the labels will be clearly legible in 10 years or so.

BTW, I used the regular width, permanent Sharpie to label some of my clear plastic parts drawers. After five years, the black had faded away from some of them. I don't know if it was sunlight or what. Other labels on the same plastic with the same marker are fine. It's a mystery that I don't need to have inside my airplane.

Cheers,

    -- Art Z.



	




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rlborger(at)mac.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:16 am Post subject: Magic marker "robustness"

Hi Charlie,

It’s really not that big.  The printer is 4.75” wide x 7.0” tall.  It must be the case that makes it look big :^)



Here’s a pic of some wire labels I did yesterday.  These are much larger than I normally would print but I was playing with print sizes on some less expensive Chinese cartridges.  But you can get the idea.



[img]cid:62128E09-BB24-4BA3-9B3F-1495CD510482[/img]



There are labels on my Europa that were done over 10 years ago with my old RHINO that are just as readable as they were the day they were printed.



Blue skies & tailwinds,Bob BorgerEuropa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP3705 Lynchburg Dr.Corinth, TX  76208-5331Cel: 817-992-1117rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)

On Sep 3, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

Boy, that thing is really BIG. Are you sure the labels will fit in the plane?



;-)On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Robert Borger <rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		  Gents,

Earlier this year I purchased a DYMO RHINO 4200 label machine to replace an old, 1st gen., RHINO I had been using for many years.  



These things print on several types of adhesive labels that seem to stick very well as well as printing on shrink tube.  The labels come in clear, silver and white as well as printing in red, black and other colors.  The shrink tube is in white or yellow.  The labels & shrink tube are available in sizes of 1/4, 3/8, 1/2 and 3/4 inch.  This thing is super easy to use.  I do recommend not printing one label at a time. Identify and print a large batch all at once to save wastage between labels.



One availability is through Amazon but there may be other sources at better prices.  But the Amazon listing shows all pertinent information and has a demo video.



https://smile.amazon.com/DYMO-RHINO-Label-Maker-1801611/dp/B005MR516Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1504450593&sr=8-2&keywords=dymo+rhino+label+maker



My best piece of advice is to be sure you are buying real DYMO cartridges as there are Chinese knockoffs that can be of highly variable quality (sometimes equal to DYMO,sometimes crap, use at your own risk).  Those ones you see in plastic bags are the knockoffs.  The real DYMO cartridges come in well labeled boxes as can be seen on the Amazon posting.



I did the print tiny labels on paper and hide under clear shrink, I did the fine line sharpie on shrink tube before the RHINO.  They work but can be a real PITA to accomplish well.  The DYMO is more expensive but it sure is quick and easy to do well.



Just my tuppence on the subject, YMMV.



Blue skies & tailwinds,Bob BorgerEuropa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP3705 Lynchburg Dr.Corinth, TX  76208-5331Cel: rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)

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ceengland7(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:48 am Post subject: Magic marker "robustness"

That comment was a joke referencing the       size of the image you sent. (Way bigger than the computer screen)

       

       Sometimes it's hard to push a joke past the NSA's humor filter; it       just comes out the other side meaningless.

       

       On 9/3/2017 12:14 PM, Robert Borger wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		                Hi Charlie,              

       It’s really not that big.  The printer is 4.75” wide         x 7.0” tall.  It must be the case that makes it look big :^)

              

       Here’s a pic of some wire labels I did yesterday.          These are much larger than I normally would print but I was         playing with print sizes on some less expensive Chinese         cartridges.  But you can get the idea.

              

       

       

              

       There are labels on my Europa that were done over 10         years ago with my old RHINO that are just as readable as they         were the day they were printed.

              

       Blue           skies & tailwinds,         Bob Borger         Europa XS Tri,           Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).         Little Toot Sport           Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP         3705 Lynchburg Dr.         Corinth, TX            76208-5331         Cel: 817-992-1117         rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)

                           On Sep 3, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Charlie England             <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

                                   Boy, that thing is really BIG. Are               you sure the labels will fit in the plane?                              

                              

                              

                              

                                                   On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 10:50                     AM, Robert Borger <rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)>                     wrote:                      	  Quote: 	
		                         Gents,                                                  

                         Earlier this year I purchased a                           DYMO RHINO 4200 label machine to replace an                           old, 1st gen., RHINO I had been using for many                           years.  

                                                  

                         These things print on several                           types of adhesive labels that seem to stick                           very well as well as printing on shrink tube.                            The labels come in clear, silver and white as                           well as printing in red, black and other                           colors.  The shrink tube is in white or                           yellow.  The labels & shrink tube are                           available in sizes of 1/4, 3/8, 1/2 and 3/4                           inch.  This thing is super easy to use.  I do                           recommend not printing one label at a time.                           Identify and print a large batch all at once                           to save wastage between labels.

                                                  

                         One availability is through Amazon                           but there may be other sources at better                           prices.  But the Amazon listing shows all                           pertinent information and has a demo video.

                                                  

                         https://smile.amazon.com/DYMO-RHINO-Label-Maker-1801611/dp/B005MR516Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1504450593&sr=8-2&keywords=dymo+rhino+label+maker

                                                  

                         My best piece of advice is to be                           sure you are buying real DYMO cartridges as                           there are Chinese knockoffs that can be of                           highly variable quality (sometimes equal to                           DYMO,sometimes crap, use at your own risk).                            Those ones you see in plastic bags are the                           knockoffs.  The real DYMO cartridges come in                           well labeled boxes as can be seen on the                           Amazon posting.

                                                  

                         I did the print tiny labels on                           paper and hide under clear shrink, I did the                           fine line sharpie on shrink tube before the                           RHINO.  They work but can be a real PITA to                           accomplish well.  The DYMO is more expensive                           but it sure is quick and easy to do well.

                                                  

                         Just my tuppence on the subject,                           YMMV.

                                                  

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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:02 am Post subject: Magic marker "robustness"

Charlie,

I figured it was a funny.  That’s why I had to add the point about “case making it look big :^)”  But took the occasion to add a bit of info as well.   As for the size of the image, I reduced the dimensions by a factor of 4 and quality by half to get it to that size!  I guess I should have gone for an 8x reduction.  I’ll try to remember that the next time, max dimension only to be 512!



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On Sep 3, 2017, at 12:50 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

                   That comment was a joke referencing the       size of the image you sent. (Way bigger than the computer screen)              Sometimes it's hard to push a joke past the NSA's humor filter; it       just comes out the other side meaningless.              On 9/3/2017 12:14 PM, Robert Borger wrote:     

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		                Hi Charlie,              

       It’s really not that big.  The printer is 4.75” wide         x 7.0” tall.  It must be the case that makes it look big :^)

              

       Here’s a pic of some wire labels I did yesterday.          These are much larger than I normally would print but I was         playing with print sizes on some less expensive Chinese         cartridges.  But you can get the idea.

              

              

              

       There are labels on my Europa that were done over 10         years ago with my old RHINO that are just as readable as they         were the day they were printed.

              

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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:08 pm Post subject: Magic marker "robustness"

My experience using sharpies on under-panel wiring  is that I marked all of the wires in my RV-6 using a sharpie on a paper tag.  That was 17 years ago.  Those labels are illegible today – the sharpie  markings are just gone...

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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:42 pm Post subject: Magic marker "robustness"

The guy who built my plane in 2000 used blue marker on white heat 

shrink. While some are still legible, most of the ink has blossomed into 

illegible blobs. I'm going to be rewiring the panel this Fall and I'm 

going to redo all those label. I think the investment in a label maker 

is probably worth it. Plus my handwriting is terrible anyway.



--Rick

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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:30 pm Post subject: Magic marker "robustness"

Look into the cost of heat shrink tubing for the printers. I just purchased an Epson printer that only wastes 1/2 inch of tube per label. My old K Sun wasted 2 inches per label. If you label both ends of every wire the extra cost of the Epson printer will be covered by 100 to 150 percent.



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 The guy who built my plane in 2000 used blue marker on white heat shrink. While some are still legible, most of the ink has blossomed into illegible blobs. I'm going to be rewiring the panel this Fall and I'm going to redo all those label. I think the investment in a label maker is probably worth it. Plus my handwriting is terrible anyway.

 

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:57 am Post subject: Magic marker "robustness"

Don,

  

 Which Epson printer did you purchase?  A model number would be  great.

    

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  Look into the cost of heat shrink tubing for the printers. I just purchased  an Epson printer that only wastes 1/2 inch of tube per label. My old K Sun  wasted 2 inches per label. If you label both ends of every wire the extra cost  of the Epson printer will be covered by 100 to 150 percent.

   

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The guy who built my plane in 2000    used blue marker on white heat shrink. While some are still legible, most of    the ink has blossomed into illegible blobs. I'm going to be rewiring the panel    this Fall and I'm going to redo all those label. I think the investment in a    label maker is probably worth it. Plus my handwriting is terrible    anyway.



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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:35 am Post subject: Magic marker "robustness"

Epson LW-PX700



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 Which Epson printer did you purchase?  A model number would be  great.

    

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 Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:16 PM

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  Look into the cost of heat shrink tubing for the printers. I just purchased  an Epson printer that only wastes 1/2 inch of tube per label. My old K Sun  wasted 2 inches per label. If you label both ends of every wire the extra cost  of the Epson printer will be covered by 100 to 150 percent.

   

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The guy who built my plane in 2000    used blue marker on white heat shrink. While some are still legible, most of    the ink has blossomed into illegible blobs. I'm going to be rewiring the panel    this Fall and I'm going to redo all those label. I think the investment in a    label maker is probably worth it. Plus my handwriting is terrible    anyway.



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