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 Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:12 am Post subject: Need Emergency Air Bottle |
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Greetings!
I've been living with a leaking emergency air system for a while on my -52. It used to slowly bleed-off over days, but now it flat-lines within several hours. I've gone through check valves, external fill and emergency air valve in rear cockpit - all to no avail. I think the next best guess is a leaky bottle. Therefore...does anyone have a spare (new or used) emergency sphere for sale? (Ideally that I could "try" first to see if it solves the problem) OR...if you have a different theory, I'm all ears!
Primary system retains full air indefinitely.
2nd big question: Is this an air bottle catastrophic failure waiting to happen if I continue to fill to capacity prior to flight?
On a side note...thoughts and prayers to those of you enduring "The Year Of The Hurricanes."
Thank you all!
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
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1969 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
N61333 // Hangar #35 / AUW
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1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
Hangar #21 / AUW
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marcusbates(at)att.net
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:28 am Post subject: Need Emergency Air Bottle |
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Have one for CJ. Same?
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On Sep 11, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Rico Jaeger <rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com (rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
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Greetings!
I've been living with a leaking emergency air system for a while on my -52. It used to slowly bleed-off over days, but now it flat-lines within several hours. I've gone through check valves, external fill and emergency air valve in rear cockpit - all to no avail. I think the next best guess is a leaky bottle. Therefore...does anyone have a spare (new or used) emergency sphere for sale? (Ideally that I could "try" first to see if it solves the problem) OR...if you have a different theory, I'm all ears!
Primary system retains full air indefinitely.
2nd big question: Is this an air bottle catastrophic failure waiting to happen if I continue to fill to capacity prior to flight?
On a side note...thoughts and prayers to those of you enduring "The Year Of The Hurricanes."
Thank you all!
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
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1969 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
N61333 // Hangar #35 / AUW
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1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
Hangar #21 / AUW
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dougsappllc(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:55 am Post subject: Need Emergency Air Bottle |
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Yak and CJ are not the same.
I stock the new stainless steel Yak 52 main and emergency bottles.
They are inspection free because they are stainless steel.
They are heavier because they have a thicker side wall.
Also stock them for the CJ6
Best,
Doug
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:26 AM, Marcus Bates <marcusbates(at)att.net (marcusbates(at)att.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | Have one for CJ. Â Â Same?
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On Sep 11, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Rico Jaeger <rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com (rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
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Greetings!
I've been living with a leaking emergency air system for a while on my -52. It used to slowly bleed-off over days, but now it flat-lines within several hours. I've gone through check valves, external fill and emergency air valve in rear cockpit - all to no avail. I think the next best guess is a leaky bottle. Therefore...does anyone have a spare (new or used) emergency sphere for sale? (Ideally that I could "try" first to see if it solves the problem) OR...if you have a different theory, I'm all ears!
Primary system retains full air indefinitely.
2nd big question: Is this an air bottle catastrophic failure waiting to happen if I continue to fill to capacity prior to flight?
On a side note...thoughts and prayers to those of you enduring "The Year Of The Hurricanes."
Thank you all!
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
Wausau, WI. 54401 Â Â Â
[url=tel:(715)%20529-7426]715.529.7426[/url] Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
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1969 Cessna 150J Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ^/---//-X
N61333 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â // Hangar #35 / AUW
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richard.goode(at)russiana
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:56 am Post subject: Need Emergency Air Bottle |
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Even if it only the small emergency bottle, I would be very cautious about continue to fill it if there is a suspicion of a leak until you know whether it is the bottle or one of the air-lines! We had a Yak 50 in the UK whose air bottle blew up, very fortunately while on the ground, but had it happened in the air, it would have certainly brought the aeroplane down!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel:Â +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Bates
Sent: 11 September 2017 15:27
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Need Emergency Air Bottle
Have one for CJ. Same?
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 11, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Rico Jaeger <rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com (rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
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Greetings!
I've been living with a leaking emergency air system for a while on my -52. It used to slowly bleed-off over days, but now it flat-lines within several hours. I've gone through check valves, external fill and emergency air valve in rear cockpit - all to no avail. I think the next best guess is a leaky bottle. Therefore...does anyone have a spare (new or used) emergency sphere for sale? (Ideally that I could "try" first to see if it solves the problem) OR...if you have a different theory, I'm all ears!
Primary system retains full air indefinitely.
2nd big question: Is this an air bottle catastrophic failure waiting to happen if I continue to fill to capacity prior to flight?
On a side note...thoughts and prayers to those of you enduring "The Year Of The Hurricanes."
Thank you all!
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1969 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
N61333 //
Hangar #35 / AUW
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1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
Hangar #21 / AUW
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pilko2(at)btinternet.com
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:12 am Post subject: Need Emergency Air Bottle |
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I remember it all too well !
kp
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: 11 September 2017 15:56
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Need Emergency Air Bottle
Even if it only the small emergency bottle, I would be very cautious about continue to fill it if there is a suspicion of a leak until you know whether it is the bottle or one of the air-lines! We had a Yak 50 in the UK whose air bottle blew up, very fortunately while on the ground, but had it happened in the air, it would have certainly brought the aeroplane down!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Marcus Bates
Sent: 11 September 2017 15:27
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Need Emergency Air Bottle
Have one for CJ. Same?
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 11, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Rico Jaeger <rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com (rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
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Greetings!
I've been living with a leaking emergency air system for a while on my -52. It used to slowly bleed-off over days, but now it flat-lines within several hours. I've gone through check valves, external fill and emergency air valve in rear cockpit - all to no avail. I think the next best guess is a leaky bottle. Therefore...does anyone have a spare (new or used) emergency sphere for sale? (Ideally that I could "try" first to see if it solves the problem) OR...if you have a different theory, I'm all ears!
Primary system retains full air indefinitely.
2nd big question: Is this an air bottle catastrophic failure waiting to happen if I continue to fill to capacity prior to flight?
On a side note...thoughts and prayers to those of you enduring "The Year Of The Hurricanes."
Thank you all!
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1969 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
N61333 //
Hangar #35 / AUW
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
Hangar #21 / AUW
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hkgibby(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:26 am Post subject: Need Emergency Air Bottle |
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Rico-
suggest u pull the bottle and inspect; rusty water can sit on the bottom of those things over time and eventually corrode a pinhole in it.
Won't be anything "catastrophic" other than almost instant loss of emerg air. Had to replace mine for that reason. Easy to pull out; remove baggage floor (if you have one) and gain access through rear cockpit "doors"; has a metal strap system that holds it in the bracket and a turnbuckle-like bolt identical (small 7 mm box wrench) to your wing attach cover strap that wraps around the wing attach access. One 17mm b nut and out she comes. Have to maneuver it around elevator and rudder cables. Good idea to pull, clean and treat inside with anti-corrosive (ACF-50/Corrosion X) on a regular basis as bottle just sits there with static pressure not moving for very long periods of time. Consult true experts on the list for their advice is also my advice...ha, ha! Good luck!!
Hoot
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On Sep 11, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Rico Jaeger <rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com (rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
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Greetings!
I've been living with a leaking emergency air system for a while on my -52. It used to slowly bleed-off over days, but now it flat-lines within several hours. I've gone through check valves, external fill and emergency air valve in rear cockpit - all to no avail. I think the next best guess is a leaky bottle. Therefore...does anyone have a spare (new or used) emergency sphere for sale? (Ideally that I could "try" first to see if it solves the problem) OR...if you have a different theory, I'm all ears!
Primary system retains full air indefinitely.
2nd big question: Is this an air bottle catastrophic failure waiting to happen if I continue to fill to capacity prior to flight?
On a side note...thoughts and prayers to those of you enduring "The Year Of The Hurricanes."
Thank you all!
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1969 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
N61333 // Hangar #35 / AUW
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
Hangar #21 / AUW
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richard.goode(at)russiana
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:39 am Post subject: Need Emergency Air Bottle |
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Hello Kevin,
Good to hear from you and hope all is well in your life. We are now quite close to selling our hotel in Sri Lanka – the decision of my wife and not me! – which will be sad, but will free up a lot of time. However, for today, I'm not sure what I will do to fill the time!
Best wishes
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel:Â +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Pilling
Sent: 11 September 2017 16:11
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Need Emergency Air Bottle
I remember it all too well !
kp
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: 11 September 2017 15:56
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Need Emergency Air Bottle
Even if it only the small emergency bottle, I would be very cautious about continue to fill it if there is a suspicion of a leak until you know whether it is the bottle or one of the air-lines! We had a Yak 50 in the UK whose air bottle blew up, very fortunately while on the ground, but had it happened in the air, it would have certainly brought the aeroplane down!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Marcus Bates
Sent: 11 September 2017 15:27
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Need Emergency Air Bottle
Have one for CJ. Same?
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 11, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Rico Jaeger <rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com (rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
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Greetings!
I've been living with a leaking emergency air system for a while on my -52. It used to slowly bleed-off over days, but now it flat-lines within several hours. I've gone through check valves, external fill and emergency air valve in rear cockpit - all to no avail. I think the next best guess is a leaky bottle. Therefore...does anyone have a spare (new or used) emergency sphere for sale? (Ideally that I could "try" first to see if it solves the problem) OR...if you have a different theory, I'm all ears!
Primary system retains full air indefinitely.
2nd big question: Is this an air bottle catastrophic failure waiting to happen if I continue to fill to capacity prior to flight?
On a side note...thoughts and prayers to those of you enduring "The Year Of The Hurricanes."
Thank you all!
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1969 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
N61333 //
Hangar #35 / AUW
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
Hangar #21 / AUW
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richard.goode(at)russiana
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:49 am Post subject: Need Emergency Air Bottle |
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I am sorry, but you're wrong to say "nothing catastrophic". Of course, failure could well be a pin hole, or it can be a catastrophic explosion – remember you are dealing with around 750 psi. I feel strongly that every aircraft air bottle should be tested to at least 1.5 times normal operating pressure every three years as a maximum interval. I have seen them fail under test, but of course this is relatively mild since they are filled with water and then sitting inside a water tank. But out in the open, the results can be dramatic. I emphasise that I have no commercial interest in these bottles, only that of safety  – but I know that Doug has new stainless steel bottles to sell.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel:Â +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hank Gibson
Sent: 11 September 2017 16:23
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Need Emergency Air Bottle
Rico-
suggest u pull the bottle and inspect; rusty water can sit on the bottom of those things over time and eventually corrode a pinhole in it.
Won't be anything "catastrophic" other than almost instant loss of emerg air. Had to replace mine for that reason. Easy to pull out; remove baggage floor (if you have one) and gain access through rear cockpit "doors"; has a metal strap system that holds it in the bracket and a turnbuckle-like bolt identical (small 7 mm box wrench) to your wing attach cover strap that wraps around the wing attach access. One 17mm b nut and out she comes. Have to maneuver it around elevator and rudder cables. Good idea to pull, clean and treat inside with anti-corrosive (ACF-50/Corrosion X) on a regular basis as bottle just sits there with static pressure not moving for very long periods of time. Consult true experts on the list for their advice is also my advice...ha, ha! Good luck!!
Hoot
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 11, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Rico Jaeger <rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com (rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
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Greetings!
I've been living with a leaking emergency air system for a while on my -52. It used to slowly bleed-off over days, but now it flat-lines within several hours. I've gone through check valves, external fill and emergency air valve in rear cockpit - all to no avail. I think the next best guess is a leaky bottle. Therefore...does anyone have a spare (new or used) emergency sphere for sale? (Ideally that I could "try" first to see if it solves the problem) OR...if you have a different theory, I'm all ears!
Primary system retains full air indefinitely.
2nd big question: Is this an air bottle catastrophic failure waiting to happen if I continue to fill to capacity prior to flight?
On a side note...thoughts and prayers to those of you enduring "The Year Of The Hurricanes."
Thank you all!
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1969 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
N61333 //
Hangar #35 / AUW
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
Hangar #21 / AUW
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Check the emergency air valves in both cockpits. You can remove the output fitting on the valve and spray with soapy water to determine if it is leaking past the valve.
Dennis
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Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 10:13 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Need Emergency Air Bottle
Greetings!
I've been living with a leaking emergency air system for a while on my -52. It used to slowly bleed-off over days, but now it flat-lines within several hours. I've gone through check valves, external fill and emergency air valve in rear cockpit - all to no avail. I think the next best guess is a leaky bottle. Therefore...does anyone have a spare (new or used) emergency sphere for sale? (Ideally that I could "try" first to see if it solves the problem) OR...if you have a different theory, I'm all ears!
Primary system retains full air indefinitely.
2nd big question: Is this an air bottle catastrophic failure waiting to happen if I continue to fill to capacity prior to flight?
On a side note...thoughts and prayers to those of you enduring "The Year Of The Hurricanes."
Thank you all!
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1969 Cessna 150J ^/---//-X
N61333 // Hangar #35 / AUW
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
Hangar #21 / AUW
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