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 Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:46 am Post subject: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/19/17 |
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Hi Tim Ward,
I am very interested in one of your aluminium Europa fuel filler pipes, I recently had to cut mine off to remove it only to find it was actually ok and now require a replacement.
Can you please let me know availability and how best to proceed with ordering.
Many Thanks,
Roger Grainger
G-CICA
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1. 01:15 AM - Re: Re: Aluminium Elbow (GTH)
2. 03:09 AM - Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (clivesutton)
3. 06:15 AM - LAA Standard Mod for 13070 (replacement of classic fuel hose with aluminium) is now approved (Pete Lawless)
4. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Pete Lawless)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 01:15:17 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Re: Aluminium Elbow
From: GTH <gilles.thesee(at)free.fr>
Le 18/12/2017 23:45, Kelvin Weston a crit :
> No, it's not peel ply. I think it is a tracer thread woven into the glass fabric
to ensure the glass is laid up in the correct orientation during the moulding
lay-up.
Kevin,
Thank you for your answer. I must confess I have experience only with
carbon fiber so no lines in the layup.
All the best with your project.
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Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 03:09:33 AM PST US
Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
From: "clivesutton" <clive.maf(at)googlemail.com>
As you say Bob, lots of activity behind the scenes.
MOD79 may also bring something to the party for some Europa-owners (LAA aware).
The black silicone hoses in that MOD kit have a green fluoro fuel-resistant
lining.
http://www.europa-aircraft.com/upload/Modification%20Bulletin%20No%2079%20(Issue%2003).pdf
Liking the new look/feel and regular updates of the website btw . . .
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476599#476599
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 06:15:50 AM PST US
Subject: LAA Standard Mod for 13070 (replacement of classic fuel hose
with aluminium) is now approved
From: Pete Lawless <pete(at)lawless.info>
Hi All
I have just received this from Andy Draper.
"The SM has now been signed off by Francis and its now in the system to
be posted on the LAA web site."
Anyone with a Classic filler hose who wants to replace it with aluminium
can do so using this mod. John Archer <77alembert(at)gmail.com> is
collecting names of those wanting a replacement pipe.
Regards
Pete
G-RMAC Classic #109
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 06:35:00 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
From: Pete Lawless <pete(at)lawless.info>
Can't seem to find this mod listed in the LAA list of Europa standard mods.
Pete
> On 19/12/17 11:09, clivesutton wrote:
>
> As you say Bob, lots of activity behind the scenes.
>
> MOD79 may also bring something to the party for some Europa-owners (LAA aware).
The black silicone hoses in that MOD kit have a green fluoro fuel-resistant
lining.
>
> http://www.europa-aircraft.com/upload/Modification%20Bulletin%20No%2079%20(Issue%2003).pdf
>
> Liking the new look/feel and regular updates of the website btw . . .
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476599#476599
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ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:04 pm Post subject: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/19/17 |
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Hi Roger,
The manufacturer is going to do another run after Christmas once we have sufficient numbers and the Mod from LAA is approved.
Will put your name on the list.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
Mob +64 210640221
| Quote: | On 21/12/2017, at 8:45 AM, Roger Grainger <roger47grainger(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tim Ward,
I am very interested in one of your aluminium Europa fuel filler pipes, I recently had to cut mine off to remove it only to find it was actually ok and now require a replacement.
Can you please let me know availability and how best to proceed with ordering.
Many Thanks,
Roger Grainger
G-CICA
> On 20 Dec 2017, at 07:49, Europa-List Digest Server <europa-list(at)matronics.com> wrote:
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> ==================================================
> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> ==================================================
>
> Today's complete Europa-List Digest can also be found in either of the
> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the Europa-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 17-12-19&Archive=Europa
>
> Text Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 17-12-19&Archive=Europa
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> Total Messages Posted Tue 12/19/17: 4
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> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 01:15 AM - Re: Re: Aluminium Elbow (GTH)
> 2. 03:09 AM - Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (clivesutton)
> 3. 06:15 AM - LAA Standard Mod for 13070 (replacement of classic fuel hose with aluminium) is now approved (Pete Lawless)
> 4. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Pete Lawless)
>
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> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
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> Time: 01:15:17 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Re: Aluminium Elbow
> From: GTH <gilles.thesee(at)free.fr>
>
>
> Le 18/12/2017 23:45, Kelvin Weston a crit :
>> No, it's not peel ply. I think it is a tracer thread woven into the glass fabric
> to ensure the glass is laid up in the correct orientation during the moulding
> lay-up.
> Kevin,
>
> Thank you for your answer. I must confess I have experience only with
> carbon fiber so no lines in the layup.
> All the best with your project.
> --
> Best regards,
> Gilles
> http://contrails.free.fr
> http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
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> Time: 03:09:33 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
> From: "clivesutton" <clive.maf(at)googlemail.com>
>
>
> As you say Bob, lots of activity behind the scenes.
>
> MOD79 may also bring something to the party for some Europa-owners (LAA aware).
> The black silicone hoses in that MOD kit have a green fluoro fuel-resistant
> lining.
>
> http://www.europa-aircraft.com/upload/Modification%20Bulletin%20No%2079%20(Issue%2003).pdf
>
> Liking the new look/feel and regular updates of the website btw . . .
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476599#476599
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:15:50 AM PST US
> Subject: LAA Standard Mod for 13070 (replacement of classic fuel hose
> with aluminium) is now approved
> From: Pete Lawless <pete(at)lawless.info>
>
> Hi All
>
> I have just received this from Andy Draper.
>
> "The SM has now been signed off by Francis and its now in the system to
> be posted on the LAA web site."
>
> Anyone with a Classic filler hose who wants to replace it with aluminium
> can do so using this mod. John Archer <77alembert(at)gmail.com> is
> collecting names of those wanting a replacement pipe.
>
> Regards
>
> Pete
>
> G-RMAC Classic #109
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:35:00 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
> From: Pete Lawless <pete(at)lawless.info>
>
>
> Can't seem to find this mod listed in the LAA list of Europa standard mods.
>
> Pete
>
>
>> On 19/12/17 11:09, clivesutton wrote:
>>
>> As you say Bob, lots of activity behind the scenes.
>>
>> MOD79 may also bring something to the party for some Europa-owners (LAA aware).
> The black silicone hoses in that MOD kit have a green fluoro fuel-resistant
> lining.
>>
>> http://www.europa-aircraft.com/upload/Modification%20Bulletin%20No%2079%20(Issue%2003).pdf
>>
>> Liking the new look/feel and regular updates of the website btw . . .
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476599#476599
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Roland
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:58 pm Post subject: Re: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/19/17 |
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Hi Tim,
please put me on the list as well.
Can you please also tell me, what outside diameter the aluminum pipe has, so that I can order the correct silicone hose to fit the ends to the filler and fuel tank? Is it also 51 mm?
Thanks!
Roland Schmidt
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
Maikammer 9
42489 Wülfrath
Germany
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ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
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| Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:12 am Post subject: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/19/17 |
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Hi Roland,
Aluminium Pipe is 50.8mm Outer Diameter , wall 1.6 49.2mm Inner Diameter.
Will put your name on the list.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
Mob +64 210640221
| Quote: | On 21/12/2017, at 7:58 PM, Roland <schmidtroland(at)web.de> wrote:
Hi Tim,
please put me on the list as well.
Can you please also tell me, what outside diameter the aluminum pipe has, so that I can order the correct silicone hose to fit the Ends to the filler and fuel tank? Is it also 51 mm?
Thanks!
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:55 am Post subject: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/19/17 |
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Tim,
On inspecting the XS refuelling fuel pipe on G-CBHI today it was found US. Therefore, please add me to the list if it is suitable for the XS? Clearly the XS is a much shorter pipe than that required for the Classic. The current LAA Standard Mod does not cover the XS aircraft but Brian has indicated your pipe will suitable for both and will be the basis of the new XS LAA Standard Mod. From your previous work on this mod do you know if the same specification of pipe has been used anywhere else on the Europa? Did you find any positive way of flushing out any debris from the tank? I have not tried yet.
Regards
Ian Cook
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From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Tim Ward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz>
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Hi Roland,
Aluminium Pipe is 50.8mm Outer Diameter , wall 1.6 49.2mm Inner Diameter.
Will put your name on the list.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
Mob +64 210640221
> On 21/12/2017, at 7:58 PM, Roland <schmidtroland(at)web.de> wrote:
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> Hi Tim,
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> please put me on the list as well.
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> Can you please also tell me, what outside diameter the aluminum pipe has, so that I can order the correct silicone hose to fit the Ends to the filler and fuel tank? Is it also 51 mm?
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> Thanks!
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> Roland
> PH-ZTI
> XS TG 914
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/19/17 |
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I thought we were talking about XS all the time? I hope so, since I also have an XS.
Regards
Roland
PH-ZTI
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Hi! Roland,
Happy New Year .
No the main concern has been about Classic fillers located in the top of the
roof (long pipe) down to the tank. Although the failure Shown was between
the Cobra filling moulding and the tank.
Tim Wards Bent metal pipe is for between the Cobra and the tank.
The purpose of the metal piece was to reduce the smell of fuel ( obviously
in those days from absorbent rubber, especially being such a long pipe.
Regards
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG Classic Wings XS Cockpit Moulding .
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Roland
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/19/17 |
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Hello Bob,
a happy new year for you, too!
As you know, I have a XS and so it was important, that Tim's aluminium pipe fits for my Europa as well, which it does apperently. I also know of at least two other XS Europas, which installed Tim's pipes more than ten years ago.
A reduction of the fuel smell in my cockpit would also be highly appreciated.
Regards
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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