creightonious
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 Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:46 pm Post subject: Cabin heat |
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My Europa Classic has a heater which takes exit air from the starboard radiator to the copilot side. It works to cut the chill in Florida winters-slightly. The major cabin heat source is, of course, the sun.
We stay north-Vermont and Nova Scotia-until mid-November so we are not strangers to cool conditions.
We borrowed Christoph’s heated seat pad and while it worked well, we found it too large for our seat.
My solution is a heated shirt from the motorcyling world (mine is from Gerbings and has heated sleeves and collar) which I run through a controller which controls pulse width for two garments individually.
In the absence of the below freezing ambient temperatures and 80mph relative winds I encountered in my unfaired motorcycling days, a heated vest or bib should be sufficient beneath your light jacket.
These garments can be found at many bike shops (Harley-Davidson has a line), from Gerbings, and Aerostich.com among others.
(Aerostich has a heated vest to which heated sleeves can be added if needed.)
These are all made to roll up tightly and weigh very little.
Neat stuff for about $200 per.
Creighton A006
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1. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Europa Cabin heater. (Christoph Both)
2. 09:27 AM - Re: Europa Cabin heater. (Europa48)
3. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: Europa Cabin heater. (Christoph Both)
4. 03:58 PM - Re: Europa for sale (Fred Klein)
5. 04:59 PM - Re: Europa for sale (Peter Timm)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 07:58:22 AM PST US
From: Christoph Both <christoph.both(at)acadiau.ca>
Subject: Re: Re: Europa Cabin heater.
I use the original CLASSIC exhaust welded-on exhaust muff which I found not very
effective (too small).
A few years ago, I ducted a small Aircraft Spruce exhaust muff clamped to the exhaust
in series which brought the temps a bit up but still not very effective.
It ,added weight and I had some doubt on long term stability of the clamped
on situation. It came off after one winter. A through-the-firewall hole is out
of question for me as regulations clearly enforce to tightly sealed engine forward
compartment from the cockpit: the classic exhaust is mated to the cylinders
by means of a ball pressed onto the cylinder which potentially leaks some
fumes when vibrational resonances are encountered, or exhaust stack nuts loosen
or go missing (yes, this can happen!).
Furthermore, the 2-piece separate exhaust pipes are held together with a loosely
fit inside/outside pipe connection held by elastic springs allowing small amounts
of exhaust gas to escape through 4 connectors. With the cabin being naturally
lower pressure in flight compared with the engine compartment, any exhaust
bypass would be sucked into the cabin.
For these reasons my set up employs a separate hot/cold entry air mixer receiving
pressurized warm air from the muff (air entry taken ahead of the oil cooler
up front cowling) and a separate pressurized NACA scoop for fresh air. The air
mixer allows full shut off of all entries and these by nature being of higher
pressure blow-by setting would not allow any engine compartment gases to enter
the cockpit. In addition, there are 2 small NACA fresh air verts fitted for
direct fresh air in case of engine fire, exhaust failure, etc. The entire setup
weights about one pound extra.
To stay warm, I have a 1lb weight, removable car seat regulated heat pad strapped
onto the seat, drawing only 3 amps (preside). My entire panel with GRT EFIS,
EIS and a minimum legal collection of steam gauges draws only 3 amps.
Christoph Both
#223
Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada
On 2018-02-04, 19:02, "owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Europa48"
<owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of corinthian(at)me.com>
wrote:
That doesn't look very simple.
Anyone use an exhaust muff and ducting?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477829#477829
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 09:27:31 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Europa Cabin heater.
From: "Europa48" <corinthian(at)me.com>
Hello Christoph
Your system sounds interesting, not quite clear on how you duct the warm air to
the cabin if you dont go through the firewall.
David
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477852#477852
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 09:35:37 AM PST US
From: Christoph Both <christoph.both(at)acadiau.ca>
Subject: Re: Re: Europa Cabin heater.
The air mixer goes through the firewall, but it does not allow engine compartment
air to directly enter the cabin.
In other words, what I have seen lately in pictures, it appears people just cut
a hole on the firewall to allow warm air to come into the cabin - perhaps I misunderstood.
Christoph
On 2018-02-05, 13:27, "owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Europa48"
<owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of corinthian(at)me.com>
wrote:
Hello Christoph
Your system sounds interesting, not quite clear on how you duct the warm air
to the cabin if you dont go through the firewall.
David
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477852#477852
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 03:58:24 PM PST US
From: Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com>
Subject: Re: Europa for sale
Beautiful ship Peterthat main wheel fairing turned out very
nicelyI recall seeing it shortly after you pulled it off your
moulda new owner will be getting an excellent valueBest
wishes, Fred
> On Feb 2, 2018, at 4:22 PM, Peter Timm <cptimm29(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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> My Classic Europa,. C-GIET, U.K. kit # 110, is for sale.
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> All details can be seen at: <petertimm.blogspot.ca
<http://petertimm.blogspot.ca/>>
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 04:59:33 PM PST US
From: Peter Timm <cptimm29(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Europa for sale
Thanks, Fred , from what I have seen, yours is going to be much better.
Time flies faster than a Europa , however, and is beginning to catch up
with me.
Hoping you are well and flying soon.
Cheers, Peter
> On 2018-02-05, at 3:57 PM, Fred Klein wrote:
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> Beautiful ship Peter=85that main wheel fairing turned out very
nicely=85I recall seeing it shortly after you pulled it off your mould=85a
new owner will be getting an excellent value=85Best wishes, Fred
>
>> On Feb 2, 2018, at 4:22 PM, Peter Timm <cptimm29(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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>> My Classic Europa,. C-GIET, U.K. kit # 110, is for sale.
>>
>> All details can be seen at: <petertimm.blogspot.ca>
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