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art(at)zemon.name
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 Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 6:04 pm Post subject: Velcro Ties |
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Folks,
Do you have any thoughts about using Velcro ties, or generic hook 'n' loop straps, for dressing wires behind the instrument panel? It's seeming like a good idea to me, especially in a plane where the panel is not "done." But maybe my ol' brain is simply addled with exhaustion.
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echristley(at)att.net
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 6:23 pm Post subject: Velcro Ties |
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I love them. Especially on a tube airframe. You can run a loop around a member and lock it in place, then unzip it to add a wire and put it back. There is always a layer of velcro between the wire and the tube. They are generally long enough that you can get a couple turns around the tube and pull them down tight, and the wires are held very snug. But, it is still easy to go back in and add another wire or pull one out.
They are just as strong as nylon ties, but more flexible.
On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 10:05 PM, Art Zemon <art(at)zemon.name> wrote:
Folks,
Do you have any thoughts about using Velcro ties, or generic hook 'n' loop straps, for dressing wires behind the instrument panel? It's seeming like a good idea to me, especially in a plane where the panel is not "done." But maybe my ol' brain is simply addled with exhaustion.
Thanks,
-- Art Z.
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https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel
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argoldman(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 7:37 pm Post subject: Velcro Ties |
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Ill second that. As temporary holders they are terrific. You can get a coil of velcro (non-adhesive) with male on one side and female on the other and cut it to the length and width required. Depending on the complexity of your installation, you can save hundreds of wire ties or lacing knots.
Don't ask me why there are literally piles of threads and cut plastic ties on the floor.
Use permanent only after all your wires are routed AND TESTED. When you are ready to actually button up.
I found with mine, that to this point ( I think that I am just about done (famous last words) I have literally made many many many changes that required removing all of my beautiful ties to this point. I now against my compulsion to tie up all the wire bundles and although almost done, will only use velcro to get them bound until I am CERTAIN.
I would not, however, use them as a permanent binding method as the binding performance is possibly unknown in the hot environment. Should they let go, this may be in an area of control rods (elevators) rods, springs, cables etc which may be used in elevator trim and autopilot.
Rich
In a message dated 5/2/2018 9:24:39 PM Central Standard Time, echristley(at)att.net writes:
| Quote: | I love them. Especially on a tube airframe. You can run a loop around a member and lock it in place, then unzip it to add a wire and put it back. There is always a layer of velcro between the wire and the tube. They are generally long enough that you can get a couple turns around the tube and pull them down tight, and the wires are held very snug. But, it is still easy to go back in and add another wire or pull one out.
They are just as strong as nylon ties, but more flexible.
On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 10:05 PM, Art Zemon <art(at)zemon.name (art(at)zemon.name)> wrote:
Folks,
Do you have any thoughts about using Velcro ties, or generic hook 'n' loop straps, for dressing wires behind the instrument panel? It's seeming like a good idea to me, especially in a plane where the panel is not "done." But maybe my ol' brain is simply addled with exhaustion.
Thanks,
-- Art Z.
-- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel
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BARRY CHECK 6
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 11:22 am Post subject: Velcro Ties |
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Art:
I use Velcro all the time. GREAT for when you are figuring out where and how to run wires. Then AFTER all is good, I replace them with Black Ty-Wraps. Well, not all black ty-wraps. I use RED on power lines green on signal lines and yellow on audio lines. When ever I can... Sometimes bundles just don't cooperate.
Barry
On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 10:02 PM, Art Zemon <art(at)zemon.name (art(at)zemon.name)> wrote:
| Quote: | Folks,
Do you have any thoughts about using Velcro ties, or generic hook 'n' loop straps, for dressing wires behind the instrument panel? It's seeming like a good idea to me, especially in a plane where the panel is not "done." But maybe my ol' brain is simply addled with exhaustion.
Thanks,
  -- Art Z.
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https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel
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echristley(at)att.net
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 6:13 pm Post subject: Velcro Ties |
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Why do you replace the velcro, Barry? I've left it on, and after 6 months, if you can't find the end of the strip, it is VERY hard to get off.
On Thursday, May 3, 2018 3:23 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Art:
I use Velcro all the time. GREAT for when you are figuring out where and how to run wires. Then AFTER all is good, I replace them with Black Ty-Wraps. Well, not all black ty-wraps. I use RED on power lines green on signal lines and yellow on audio lines. When ever I can... Sometimes bundles just don't cooperate.
Barry
On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 10:02 PM, Art Zemon <art(at)zemon.name (art(at)zemon.name)> wrote: | Quote: | Folks,
Do you have any thoughts about using Velcro ties, or generic hook 'n' loop straps, for dressing wires behind the instrument panel? It's seeming like a good idea to me, especially in a plane where the panel is not "done." But maybe my ol' brain is simply addled with exhaustion.
Thanks,
-- Art Z.
-- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon. com/"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel
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BARRY CHECK 6
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 8:47 am Post subject: Velcro Ties |
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Because I work on a lot of certified aircraft and on them it is not permitted.
Your logic is good... And another reason why to replace the Velcro with ty-wraps.
The Velcro is REPLACEABLE, so I can use it on other planes without buying more and Velcro cost more than a handful of ty-wraps.
Barry
On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 10:11 PM, Ernest Christley <echristley(at)att.net (echristley(at)att.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | Why do you replace the velcro, Barry? I've left it on, and after 6 months, if you can't find the end of the strip, it is VERY hard to get off.
On Thursday, May 3, 2018 3:23 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com (flyadive(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Art:
I use Velcro all the time. GREAT for when you are figuring out where and how to run wires. Then AFTER all is good, I replace them with Black Ty-Wraps. Well, not all black ty-wraps. I use RED on power lines green on signal lines and yellow on audio lines. When ever I can... Sometimes bundles just don't cooperate.
Barry
On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 10:02 PM, Art Zemon <art(at)zemon.name (art(at)zemon.name)> wrote: | Quote: | Folks,
Do you have any thoughts about using Velcro ties, or generic hook 'n' loop straps, for dressing wires behind the instrument panel? It's seeming like a good idea to me, especially in a plane where the panel is not "done." But maybe my ol' brain is simply addled with exhaustion.
Thanks,
  -- Art Z.
-- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon. com/"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel
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echristley(at)att.net
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 9:51 am Post subject: Velcro Ties |
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That last one was the best. Don't want to be handing out that expensive velcro to everybody that wanders in. I only have the one plane to work on...for now, so it makes a good place to store my spares.
On Friday, May 4, 2018 12:48 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Because I work on a lot of certified aircraft and on them it is not permitted.
Your logic is good... And another reason why to replace the Velcro with ty-wraps.
The Velcro is REPLACEABLE, so I can use it on other planes without buying more and Velcro cost more than a handful of ty-wraps.
Barry
On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 10:11 PM, Ernest Christley <echristley(at)att.net (echristley(at)att.net)> wrote: | Quote: | Why do you replace the velcro, Barry? I've left it on, and after 6 months, if you can't find the end of the strip, it is VERY hard to get off.
On Thursday, May 3, 2018 3:23 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com (flyadive(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Art:
I use Velcro all the time. GREAT for when you are figuring out where and how to run wires. Then AFTER all is good, I replace them with Black Ty-Wraps. Well, not all black ty-wraps. I use RED on power lines green on signal lines and yellow on audio lines. When ever I can... Sometimes bundles just don't cooperate.
Barry
On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 10:02 PM, Art Zemon <art(at)zemon.name (art(at)zemon.name)> wrote: | Quote: | Folks,
Do you have any thoughts about using Velcro ties, or generic hook 'n' loop straps, for dressing wires behind the instrument panel? It's seeming like a good idea to me, especially in a plane where the panel is not "done." But maybe my ol' brain is simply addled with exhaustion.
Thanks,
-- Art Z.
-- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon. com/"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel
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