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rleffler

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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:14 pm Post subject: Ignition Cable Question

One of the nuts on an ignition lead became gulled.



Is it possible just to replace the nut?   Or do you have to replace the entire lead?



I saw Tim's post from a couple years ago.



It looks like buying the replacement lead, the tookit, and all the other parts cost about 80% of replacing both harnesses with new.



Thanks,



bob

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Kellym

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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:47 pm Post subject: Ignition Cable Question

Bob, I recall I had to construct a new lead. Fortunately I was able to 

borrow the tools and had the pieces needed. You are right, you can get a 

complete harness for one mag for about the same money and save a lot of 

aggravation.



On 8/1/2018 7:12 PM, Bob Leffler wrote:

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 One of the nuts on an ignition lead became gulled.

 

 Is it possible just to replace the nut?   Or do you have to replace the entire lead?

 

 I saw Tim's post from a couple years ago.

 

 It looks like buying the replacement lead, the tookit, and all the other parts cost about 80% of replacing both harnesses with new.

 

 Thanks,

 

 bob

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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:07 am Post subject: Ignition Cable Question

Hey Bob.

I met you at the rv10 dinner for the first time.  Any way Iâ€™ve seen the nuts replaced in no time by an a&p friend of mine.  I have never done it myself.  But if you got any descent a&p on your airfield I bet he has some old nuts that are in great shape.  He could probably do it for   20 - 25 bucks.   Neil



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		   On Aug 1, 2018, at 10:12 PM, Bob Leffler <bob(at)thelefflers.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 One of the nuts on an ignition lead became gulled.

 

 Is it possible just to replace the nut?   Or do you have to replace the entire lead?

 

 I saw Tim's post from a couple years ago.

 

 It looks like buying the replacement lead, the tookit, and all the other parts cost about 80% of replacing both harnesses with new.

 

 Thanks,

 

 bob

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rleffler

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 680

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:44 am Post subject: Ignition Cable Question

Here’s a summary of what I discovered over the last couple of days.

 

 

 Several people responded about just replacing the connector fittings at the end of the ignition cable.   I also got a response from Joe Logie at Champion.  His response was:

 

 

 Just the plug end needs replacement M6203 5/8-24 Spark Plug Hardware Kit, attached is my L-1499 showing how to do it and the required T-200 tool kit usage.

 

 

 So just a $27 kit from Spruce to make the repair.  However, you do need the $289 toolkit to perform the repair.  This is the route I went.  I figured the odds of this happening again justified the tool purchase.  Plus it’s still the  least expensive option.

 

 

 Purchasing just a single replacement lead ( plus the tool ) cost as much as  a half harness.

 

 

 Nobody stocks the half harnesses and the lead time is thirty days, which costs $420.

 

 

 I found a couple places that stocked the full harnesses.  QAA was the least expensive that I found for a Champion harness, which was $620.  QAA also sells Aero-Lite harnesses which are about $420.   I found out from QAA that Aero-Lite  harnesses are no longer in production and when their stock runs out, that’s it.

 

 

 

 

 

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 Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:12:52 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Ignition Cable Question  

 

 

  --> RV10-List message posted by: Bob Leffler <bob(at)thelefflers.com>

 

 One of the nuts on an ignition lead became gulled.

 

 Is it possible just to replace the nut?   Or do you have to replace the entire lead?

 

 I saw Tim's post from a couple years ago.

 

 It looks like buying the replacement lead, the tookit, and all the other parts cost about 80% of replacing both harnesses with new.

 

 Thanks,

 

 bob

 

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:36 am Post subject: Ignition Cable Question

Bob. You must be a tool guy.  Thatâ€™s 10 end replacements from a a(at)p who has the tools.  But good info you send out.  Thanks Neil



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[quote] On Aug 3, 2018, at 5:40 AM, Bob Leffler <bob(at)thelefflers.com> wrote:

 

 Hereâ€™s a summary of what I discovered over the last couple of days

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rleffler

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:02 am Post subject: Ignition Cable Question

That and there’s not an A&P on the field that I trust to do electrical work.  The local shop is actually being evicted at the end of the year, so there is a huge void at the moment.  The airport won’t let independents work unless  they carry insurance with the airport as a co-insured.   

 

 

 

 Get Outlook for iOS

 

 

  From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Neil Corella <neilekins(at)aol.com>

 Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 6:34:27 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Ignition Cable Question  

 

 Bob. You must be a tool guy.  That’s 10 end replacements from a a(at)p who has the tools.  But good info you send out.  Thanks Neil

 

 Sent from my iPhone

 

 On Aug 3, 2018, at 5:40 AM, Bob Leffler <bob(at)thelefflers.com (bob(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote:

 

 

  	  Quote: 	
		             Here’s a summary of what I discovered over the last couple of days.

 

 

 Several people responded about just replacing the connector fittings at the end of the ignition cable.   I also got a response from Joe Logie at Champion.  His response was:

 

 

 Just the plug end needs replacement M6203 5/8-24 Spark Plug Hardware Kit, attached is my L-1499 showing how to do it and the required T-200 tool kit usage.

 

 

 So just a $27 kit from Spruce to make the repair.  However, you do need the $289 toolkit to perform the repair.  This is the route I went.  I figured the odds of this happening again justified the tool purchase.  Plus it’s still the  least expensive option.

 

 

 Purchasing just a single replacement lead ( plus the tool ) cost as much as  a half harness.

 

 

 Nobody stocks the half harnesses and the lead time is thirty days, which costs $420.

 

 

 I found a couple places that stocked the full harnesses.  QAA was the least expensive that I found for a Champion harness, which was $620.  QAA also sells Aero-Lite harnesses which are about $420.   I found out from QAA that Aero-Lite  harnesses are no longer in production and when their stock runs out, that’s it.

 

 

 

 

 

 Get Outlook for iOS

 

 

  From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)> on behalf of Bob Leffler <bob(at)thelefflers.com (bob(at)thelefflers.com)>

 Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:12:52 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: Ignition Cable Question  

 

 

  --> RV10-List message posted by: Bob Leffler <bob(at)thelefflers.com (bob(at)thelefflers.com)>

 

 One of the nuts on an ignition lead became gulled.

 

 Is it possible just to replace the nut?   Or do you have to replace the entire lead?

 

 I saw Tim's post from a couple years ago.

 

 It looks like buying the replacement lead, the tookit, and all the other parts cost about 80% of replacing both harnesses with new.

 

 Thanks,

 

 bob

 

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:54 am Post subject: Ignition Cable Question

Yes.  Thatâ€™s a problem.  



Sent from my iPhone



On Aug 3, 2018, at 8:00 AM, Bob Leffler <bob(at)thelefflers.com (bob(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		            That and thereâ€™s not an A&P on the field that I trust to do electrical work.  The local shop is actually being evicted at the end of the year, so there is a huge void at the moment.  The airport wonâ€™t let independents work unless  they carry insurance with the airport as a co-insured.   

 

 

 

 Get Outlook for iOS

 

 

  From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)> on behalf of Neil Corella <neilekins(at)aol.com (neilekins(at)aol.com)>

 Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 6:34:27 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: Re: Ignition Cable Question  

 

 Bob. You must be a tool guy.  Thatâ€™s 10 end replacements from a a(at)p who has the tools.  But good info you send out.  Thanks Neil

 

 Sent from my iPhone

 

 On Aug 3, 2018, at 5:40 AM, Bob Leffler <bob(at)thelefflers.com (bob(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote:

 

 

  	  Quote: 	
		             Hereâ€™s a summary of what I discovered over the last couple of days.

 

 

 Several people responded about just replacing the connector fittings at the end of the ignition cable.   I also got a response from Joe Logie at Champion.  His response was:

 

 

 Just the plug end needs replacement M6203 5/8-24 Spark Plug Hardware Kit, attached is my L-1499 showing how to do it and the required T-200 tool kit usage.

 

 

 So just a $27 kit from Spruce to make the repair.  However, you do need the $289 toolkit to perform the repair.  This is the route I went.  I figured the odds of this happening again justified the tool purchase.  Plus itâ€™s still the  least expensive option.

 

 

 Purchasing just a single replacement lead ( plus the tool ) cost as much as  a half harness.

 

 

 Nobody stocks the half harnesses and the lead time is thirty days, which costs $420.

 

 

 I found a couple places that stocked the full harnesses.  QAA was the least expensive that I found for a Champion harness, which was $620.  QAA also sells Aero-Lite harnesses which are about $420.   I found out from QAA that Aero-Lite  harnesses are no longer in production and when their stock runs out, thatâ€™s it.

 

 

 

 

 

 Get Outlook for iOS

 

 

  From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)> on behalf of Bob Leffler <bob(at)thelefflers.com (bob(at)thelefflers.com)>

 Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:12:52 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: Ignition Cable Question  

 

 

  --> RV10-List message posted by: Bob Leffler <bob(at)thelefflers.com (bob(at)thelefflers.com)>

 

 One of the nuts on an ignition lead became gulled.

 

 Is it possible just to replace the nut?   Or do you have to replace the entire lead?

 

 I saw Tim's post from a couple years ago.

 

 It looks like buying the replacement lead, the tookit, and all the other parts cost about 80% of replacing both harnesses with new.

 

 Thanks,

 

 bob

 

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Kelly McMullen

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Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:31 am Post subject: Ignition Cable Question

Good research Bob.Â  I haven't bought a complete harness in awhile...obviously prices have multiplied a few orders of magnitude.



While most airports prevent mechanics from working independently without insurance, most do allow you as the owner to bring your own mechanic to your plane and supervise said mechanic. Even better is when no money changes hands on the airport. 



I only "help" friends on the airport, mostly "supervising" if they need an A&P signature, or helping them as needed. I don't charge them, but they occasionally "help" me with the check at local greasy spoon. 



Maintenance on grant assurance airports gets fairly tricky. The airport can't restrict independents to any greater degree than whatever shop requirements are.

Most I have seen, the shop capacity for repairs/inspections equals 10-20 percent of what is needed to keep based aircraft flying. The rest get fixed and signed off some how...probably by "hangar fairies and elves"Â  or at other airports.



Mechanic insurance is a figment of airport administrator's imagination. Over 15 years ago I was quoted $12,000/yr as an IA for $1M. Most airport documents call for $2M. If I were to do 100 annuals a year, I would have to add $120 per plane just to come out even. 100 annuals is essentially working full time, doing nothing else. I have no idea what the rates are today. I like working on planes, but at age 70, I am not going to bust my butt to do 100 annuals a year. Most IAs I know work uninsured, risking all their assets.Â  Good thing most of this crowd can do their own work in the OBAM category.

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On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 5:00 AM, Bob Leffler <bob(at)thelefflers.com (bob(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		            That and thereâ€™s not an A&P on the field that I trust to do electrical work.Â  The local shop is actually being evicted at the end of the year, so there is a huge void at the moment.Â  The airport wonâ€™t let independents work unless  they carry insurance with the airport as a co-insured. Â Â 

 

 

 

 Get Outlook for iOS

 

 

  From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)> on behalf of Neil Corella <neilekins(at)aol.com (neilekins(at)aol.com)>

 Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 6:34:27 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: Re: Ignition Cable Question Â 

 

 Bob. You must be a tool guy.Â  Thatâ€™s 10 end replacements from a a(at)p who has the tools.Â  But good info you send out.Â  Thanks Neil

 

 Sent from my iPhone

 

 On Aug 3, 2018, at 5:40 AM, Bob Leffler <bob(at)thelefflers.com (bob(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote:

 

 

  	  Quote: 	
		           Hereâ€™s a summary of what I discovered over the last couple of days.

 

 

 Several people responded about just replacing the connector fittings at the end of the ignition cable. Â Â I also got a response from Joe Logie at Champion.Â  His response was:

 

 

 Just the plug end needs replacement M6203 5/8-24 Spark Plug Hardware Kit, attached is my L-1499 showing how to do it and the required T-200 tool kit usage.

 

 

 So just a $27 kit from Spruce to make the repair.Â  However, you do need the $289 toolkit to perform the repair.Â  This is the route I went.Â  I figured the odds of this happening again justified the tool purchase.Â  Plus itâ€™s still the  least expensive option.

 

 

 Purchasing just a single replacement lead ( plus the tool ) cost as much as Â a half harness.

 

 

 Nobody stocks the half harnesses and the lead time is thirty days, which costs $420.

 

 

 I found a couple places that stocked the full harnesses.Â  QAA was the least expensive that I found for a Champion harness, which was $620.Â  QAA also sells Aero-Lite harnesses which are about $420. Â Â I found out from QAA that Aero-Lite  harnesses are no longer in production and when their stock runs out, thatâ€™s it.

 

 

 

 

 

 Get Outlook for iOS

 

 

  From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)> on behalf of Bob Leffler <bob(at)thelefflers.com (bob(at)thelefflers.com)>

 Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:12:52 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: Ignition Cable Question Â 

 

 

  --> RV10-List message posted by: Bob Leffler <bob(at)thelefflers.com (bob(at)thelefflers.com)>

 

 One of the nuts on an ignition lead became gulled.

 

 Is it possible just to replace the nut?Â Â  Or do you have to replace the entire lead?

 

 I saw Tim's post from a couple years ago.

 

 It looks like buying the replacement lead, the tookit, and all the other parts cost about 80% of replacing both harnesses with new.

 

 Thanks,

 

 bob

 

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