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ceengland7(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:11 pm Post subject: new z-figure thread

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		  Sorry for the re-post of the message below, but I don't get my own posts back from the matronics server.Can anyone tell me if they got a .pdf attachment with the previous post of this message?Thanks,CharliePlease forgive the rough looking drawing; I've never had time to learn a

cad program, so I tweaked a z drawing with MS Paint to create the

attached. Ignore

the fused feeder values on the engine bus; most are artifacts from my cut &

paste operation. Both alternators in the drawing are auto-style internally

regulated; the engine comes with an IR alternator, and I just hung a 2nd

where the air conditioner compressor used to reside. As yet unresolved in

this draft is the fact that both OV modules can 'see' both alternators. My

original intent was to run both alternators all the time, but I may modify

that idea to primary/backup.



My controller (from Real World Solutions, specifically for Mazda rotary

engines) does have primary/secondary controllers in one box, but a single

power feed to the controllers. The RWS controllers have been set up this

way for over 20 years. Over the years, multiple fliers have had controller

issues requiring switching to the backup controller, but none have ever had

a power supply failure to the box caused by an issue with one controller. If

the controller box had separate power feeds to each controller, it would

obviously beg for running one from the a/c bus, but I'm not sure that would

be a good thing, from the standpoint of trying to keep the systems  similar

(as possible) to old habit driven pilots. The controllers' control of the

injectors & ignition coils is switched by an external control, which drives

a bank of internal relays to do the switching (I believe this is how the

ones for a/c engines do it, as well). Power to each injector & coil is

individually fused; the controller switches the ground side of the

injectors/coils.   There are dual Walbro high pressure fuel pumps, each

with it's own fuse/switch.



The choice to have an engine master was driven by the same logic mentioned

earlier. Just as the airframe can go dark without affecting the engine, a

typical a/c can shut off the engine by turning a key or flipping a pair of

mag switches. The engine master switch is my 'mag switch'. But I'm not

married to this, is there good reason to change?



If the above isn't clear, I can try to do a rough drawing of power flow to

the engine's power feeders.



Charlie

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rick(at)beebe.org
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:28 pm Post subject: new z-figure thread

Yes.

          

     On 10/22/2018 4:11 PM, Charlie England       wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		                                       	  Quote: 	
		   	  Quote: 	
		  Sorry for the re-post of the message below, 

but I don't get my own posts back from the matronics server.

Can anyone tell me if they got a .pdf attachment with the previous post of 

this message?

Thanks,

Charlie



Please forgive the rough looking drawing; I've never had time to learn a

cad program, so I tweaked a z drawing with MS Paint to create the

attached. Ignore

the fused feeder values on the engine bus; most are artifacts from my cut &

paste operation. Both alternators in the drawing are auto-style internally

regulated; the engine comes with an IR alternator, and I just hung a 2nd

where the air conditioner compressor used to reside. As yet unresolved in

this draft is the fact that both OV modules can 'see' both alternators. My

original intent was to run both alternators all the time, but I may modify

that idea to primary/backup.



My controller (from Real World Solutions, specifically for Mazda rotary

engines) does have primary/secondary controllers in one box, but a single

power feed to the controllers. The RWS controllers have been set up this

way for over 20 years. Over the years, multiple fliers have had controller

issues requiring switching to the backup controller, but none have ever had

a power supply failure to the box caused by an issue with one controller. If

the controller box had separate power feeds to each controller, it would

obviously beg for running one from the a/c bus, but I'm not sure that would

be a good thing, from the standpoint of trying to keep the systems  similar

(as possible) to old habit driven pilots. The controllers' control of the

injectors & ignition coils is switched by an external control, which drives

a bank of internal relays to do the switching (I believe this is how the

ones for a/c engines do it, as well). Power to each injector & coil is

individually fused; the controller switches the ground side of the

injectors/coils.   There are dual Walbro high pressure fuel pumps, each

with it's own fuse/switch.



The choice to have an engine master was driven by the same logic mentioned

earlier. Just as the airframe can go dark without affecting the engine, a

typical a/c can shut off the engine by turning a key or flipping a pair of

mag switches. The engine master switch is my 'mag switch'. But I'm not

married to this, is there good reason to change?



If the above isn't clear, I can try to do a rough drawing of power flow to

the engine's power feeders.



Charlie

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ceengland7(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:01 pm Post subject: new z-figure thread

Thanks, Rick. I just emailed Matt about this, & he said nothing in the Matronics system should cause it. I need dig through my settings (on several different computers) to see if I've messed up somewhere.

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:33 PM Rick Beebe <rick(at)beebe.org (rick(at)beebe.org)> wrote:



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Yes.

          

     On 10/22/2018 4:11 PM, Charlie England       wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		                                       	  Quote: 	
		   	  Quote: 	
		  Sorry for the re-post of the message below, 

but I don't get my own posts back from the matronics server.

Can anyone tell me if they got a .pdf attachment with the previous post of 

this message?

Thanks,

Charlie



Please forgive the rough looking drawing; I've never had time to learn a

cad program, so I tweaked a z drawing with MS Paint to create the

attached. Ignore

the fused feeder values on the engine bus; most are artifacts from my cut &

paste operation. Both alternators in the drawing are auto-style internally

regulated; the engine comes with an IR alternator, and I just hung a 2nd

where the air conditioner compressor used to reside. As yet unresolved in

this draft is the fact that both OV modules can 'see' both alternators. My

original intent was to run both alternators all the time, but I may modify

that idea to primary/backup.



My controller (from Real World Solutions, specifically for Mazda rotary

engines) does have primary/secondary controllers in one box, but a single

power feed to the controllers. The RWS controllers have been set up this

way for over 20 years. Over the years, multiple fliers have had controller

issues requiring switching to the backup controller, but none have ever had

a power supply failure to the box caused by an issue with one controller. If

the controller box had separate power feeds to each controller, it would

obviously beg for running one from the a/c bus, but I'm not sure that would

be a good thing, from the standpoint of trying to keep the systems  similar

(as possible) to old habit driven pilots. The controllers' control of the

injectors & ignition coils is switched by an external control, which drives

a bank of internal relays to do the switching (I believe this is how the

ones for a/c engines do it, as well). Power to each injector & coil is

individually fused; the controller switches the ground side of the

injectors/coils.   There are dual Walbro high pressure fuel pumps, each

with it's own fuse/switch.



The choice to have an engine master was driven by the same logic mentioned

earlier. Just as the airframe can go dark without affecting the engine, a

typical a/c can shut off the engine by turning a key or flipping a pair of

mag switches. The engine master switch is my 'mag switch'. But I'm not

married to this, is there good reason to change?



If the above isn't clear, I can try to do a rough drawing of power flow to

the engine's power feeders.



Charlie

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art(at)zemon.name
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:57 pm Post subject: new z-figure thread

Charlie,

You have been bitten by a well-known Gmail "issue." Gmail silently deletes the copy of the message that comes back to you from the Matronics system. There is no workaround; you just have to trust that it worked.

    -- Art Z.



On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 4:18 PM Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Thanks, Rick. I just emailed Matt about this, & he said nothing in the Matronics system should cause it. I need dig through my settings (on several different computers) to see if I've messed up somewhere.



	


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donvansanten(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:15 pm Post subject: new z-figure thread

Art is correct, I have the same issue. Same problen with Gmail on phone. lap top and desk top.



On Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 19:01 Art Zemon <art(at)zemon.name (art(at)zemon.name)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Charlie,

You have been bitten by a well-known Gmail "issue." Gmail silently deletes the copy of the message that comes back to you from the Matronics system. There is no workaround; you just have to trust that it worked.

    -- Art Z.



On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 4:18 PM Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Thanks, Rick. I just emailed Matt about this, & he said nothing in the Matronics system should cause it. I need dig through my settings (on several different computers) to see if I've messed up somewhere.



	


-- 

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donvansanten(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:19 pm Post subject: new z-figure thread

Ok thats weird. The last message sent me the return!



On Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 19:14 don van santen <donvansanten(at)gmail.com (donvansanten(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Art is correct, I have the same issue. Same problen with Gmail on phone. lap top and desk top.



On Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 19:01 Art Zemon <art(at)zemon.name (art(at)zemon.name)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Charlie,

You have been bitten by a well-known Gmail "issue." Gmail silently deletes the copy of the message that comes back to you from the Matronics system. There is no workaround; you just have to trust that it worked.

    -- Art Z.



On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 4:18 PM Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Thanks, Rick. I just emailed Matt about this, & he said nothing in the Matronics system should cause it. I need dig through my settings (on several different computers) to see if I've messed up somewhere.



	


-- 

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ceengland7(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:23 pm Post subject: new z-figure thread

Yep, I got a copy of the email asking if anyone got that attachment. Very strange.

 Sent from BlueMail 

 On Oct 22, 2018, at 9:23 PM, don van santen <donvansanten(at)gmail.com (donvansanten(at)gmail.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		   Ok thats weird. The last message sent me the return!



On Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 19:14 don van santen <donvansanten(at)gmail.com (donvansanten(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Art is correct, I have the same issue. Same problen with Gmail on phone. lap top and desk top.



On Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 19:01 Art Zemon <art(at)zemon.name (art(at)zemon.name)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Charlie,

You have been bitten by a well-known Gmail "issue." Gmail silently deletes the copy of the message that comes back to you from the Matronics system. There is no workaround; you just have to trust that it worked.

    -- Art Z.



On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 4:18 PM Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Thanks, Rick. I just emailed Matt about this, & he said nothing in the Matronics system should cause it. I need dig through my settings (on several different computers) to see if I've messed up somewhere.



	


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