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mike(at)vision499.com
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:01 am    Post subject: LOM STARTED Reply with quote
Thank you very much to everybody that assisted.

The engine finally started and is running very smoothly.

I borrowed a manual primer pump from a friend and that solved the priming issue, it started but would not run continuously and a friend suggested that the injectors may need bleeding.

After bleeding the injectors all was well

I bought a SLICKSTART on e-bay a while back but it is defective and went with the vibrator instead of getting a new Slickstart

How much of an improvement is there with a Slickstart?

Thanks again for the help

Mike

From: owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com> On Behalf Of sjbeaver
Sent: October 25, 2018 4:39 AM
To: lom-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: LOM Primer issue

The primer nozzle is just another fuel injector nozzle and so requires a pressure of somewhere in the 80 psi+ range. That is easily achievable with a common plunger type primer, but there is no way it is going to open with a Facet pump. LOMs are hard to start without prime, but start readily with a couple of squirts.


Since you are concerned about starting, how is you starter vibrator? (Or have you installed a Slickstart?) If you are using the vibrator, take the lid off and ensure that it is vibrating vigorously when the starter is engaged. They are finicky little buggers and require cleaning and adjusting from time to time, which is why so many people replace them with a Slickstart.


Feel free to telephone if I can be of assistance.
Steve
--
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Tel: 614-937-4189

Quote:

On Oct 25, 2018, at 12:04 AM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:


Thank you very much for the help with the starter, I checked on youtube and I think my starter is normal, I just expected it to turn much faster



Main culprit that has now been identified is an inoperative primer



I am using a facet fuel pump from Aircraft spruce



https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php

Combined with an electric solenoid engine primer valve



https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/appages/elsolprimer.php?clickkey=28343

This combination does not seem to generate enough pressure to open the valve in the primer nozzle in the intake manifold, suggestions on what to use for a primer pump would be appreciated. Any ideas on where I can find out at what pressure the nozzle opens?



Thanks



Mike





From: owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com)> On Behalf Of sjbeaver
Sent: October 22, 2018 4:29 AM
To: lom-list(at)matronics.com (lom-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: LOM STARTER



The 12v version of the starter is quite rare, so I must first ask are you absolutely 100% sure that you have a 12v starter? If you are, then put a volt meter across the starter terminal and measure the voltage when you attempt to start the engine.


How close is the reading to 12v?
With the supercharger disengaged, does the starter spin quickly and easily when you press the starter button?
Does the engine turn freely by hand?


Since the starter drives the engine through the supercharger gearing, it takes rather less power than most starters. I use only very small 9 AH lead acid battery and my engine cranks vigorously. It is 24v, however.

Steve
--
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Tel: [url=tel:614-937-4189]614-937-4189[/url]
Quote:

On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:16 AM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:


Hello All

Tried to start my 4 cylinder LOM with supercharger and 12 volt starter for first time to-day.

Starter seems very sluggish and does not want to spin the engine and seems to struggle to get past one compression stroke.
Wiring does not get warm but starter gets warm very quickly

Any advise or observations?

Thanks

Mike

Mike Pienaar
mike(at)vision499.com (ike(at)vision499.com)
Home: [url=tel:+1%20250-999-8121]+1 250-999-8121[/url]
Mike cell: [url=tel:+1%20250-885-0554]+1 250-885-0554[/url]
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:13 am    Post subject: LOM STARTED Reply with quote
Wentworth aircraft sell Slickstarts for about $200. I have bought several from there for LOM users overseas.
There are two main advantages:

1. Less maintenance since there are no points to clean and adjust
2. Much more reliable starting if the battery is weak. (The Slickstart operates down to about 8 volts, so if the prop moves even one compression, the engine will likely start) Steve-- Stephen BeaverTel: 614-937-4189
Quote:
On Nov 2, 2018, at 1:01 PM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:
Thank you very much to everybody that assisted.

The engine finally started and is running very smoothly.

I borrowed a manual primer pump from a friend and that solved the priming issue, it started but would not run continuously and a friend suggested that the injectors may need bleeding.

After bleeding the injectors all was well

I bought a SLICKSTART on e-bay a while back but it is defective and went with the vibrator instead of getting a new Slickstart

How much of an improvement is there with a Slickstart?

Thanks again for the help

Mike

From: owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com)> On Behalf Of sjbeaverSent: October 25, 2018 4:39 AMTo: lom-list(at)matronics.com (lom-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: Re: LOM Primer issue

The primer nozzle is just another fuel injector nozzle and so requires a pressure of somewhere in the 80 psi+ range. That is easily achievable with a common plunger type primer, but there is no way it is going to open with a Facet pump. LOMs are hard to start without prime, but start readily with a couple of squirts.


Since you are concerned about starting, how is you starter vibrator? (Or have you installed a Slickstart?) If you are using the vibrator, take the lid off and ensure that it is vibrating vigorously when the starter is engaged. They are finicky little buggers and require cleaning and adjusting from time to time, which is why so many people replace them with a Slickstart.


Feel free to telephone if I can be of assistance.

Steve-- Stephen BeaverTel: [url=tel:614-937-4189]614-937-4189[/url]
Quote:
On Oct 25, 2018, at 12:04 AM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:


Thank you very much for the help with the starter, I checked on youtube and I think my starter is normal, I just expected it to turn much faster



Main culprit that has now been identified is an inoperative primer



I am using a facet fuel pump from Aircraft spruce



https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php

Combined with an electric solenoid engine primer valve



https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/appages/elsolprimer.php?clickkey=28343

This combination does not seem to generate enough pressure to open the valve in the primer nozzle in the intake manifold, suggestions on what to use for a primer pump would be appreciated. Any ideas on where I can find out at what pressure the nozzle opens?



Thanks



Mike





From: owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com)> On Behalf Of sjbeaverSent: October 22, 2018 4:29 AMTo: lom-list(at)matronics.com (lom-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: Re: LOM STARTER



The 12v version of the starter is quite rare, so I must first ask are you absolutely 100% sure that you have a 12v starter? If you are, then put a volt meter across the starter terminal and measure the voltage when you attempt to start the engine.


How close is the reading to 12v?
With the supercharger disengaged, does the starter spin quickly and easily when you press the starter button?
Does the engine turn freely by hand?


Since the starter drives the engine through the supercharger gearing, it takes rather less power than most starters. I use only very small 9 AH lead acid battery and my engine cranks vigorously. It is 24v, however.
Steve-- Stephen BeaverTel: [url=tel:614-937-4189]614-937-4189[/url]


Quote:
On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:16 AM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:


Hello All

Tried to start my 4 cylinder LOM with supercharger and 12 volt starter for first time to-day.

Starter seems very sluggish and does not want to spin the engine and seems to struggle to get past one compression stroke.
Wiring does not get warm but starter gets warm very quickly

Any advise or observations?

Thanks

Mike

Mike Pienaar
mike(at)vision499.com (ike(at)vision499.com)
Home: [url=tel:+1%20250-999-8121]+1 250-999-8121[/url]
Mike cell: [url=tel:+1%20250-885-0554]+1 250-885-0554[/url]
1-1100 Tulip Ave, Victoria, BC, V8Z 0A2





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mike(at)vision499.com
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:03 pm    Post subject: LOM STARTED Reply with quote
Hello Stephen,

Thanks for the input, may I ask you a favour, if you spot a Slickstart at a good price again will you let me know. I don’t normally watch out for goodies but will keep my eyes open as well from now on

Mike

From: owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com> On Behalf Of sjbeaver
Sent: November 2, 2018 10:06 AM
To: lom-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: LOM STARTED

Wentworth aircraft sell Slickstarts for about $200. I have bought several from there for LOM users overseas.


There are two main advantages:



1.   Less maintenance since there are no points to clean and adjust

2.   Much more reliable starting if the battery is weak. (The Slickstart operates down to about 8 volts, so if the prop moves even one compression, the engine will likely start)

Steve
--
Stephen Beaver
Tel: 614-937-4189

Quote:

On Nov 2, 2018, at 1:01 PM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:


Thank you very much to everybody that assisted.



The engine finally started and is running very smoothly.



I borrowed a manual primer pump from a friend and that solved the priming issue, it started but would not run continuously and a friend suggested that the injectors may need bleeding.



After bleeding the injectors all was well



I bought a SLICKSTART on e-bay a while back but it is defective and went with the vibrator instead of getting a new Slickstart



How much of an improvement is there with a Slickstart?



Thanks again for the help



Mike



From: owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com)> On Behalf Of sjbeaver
Sent: October 25, 2018 4:39 AM
To: lom-list(at)matronics.com (lom-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: LOM Primer issue



The primer nozzle is just another fuel injector nozzle and so requires a pressure of somewhere in the 80 psi+ range. That is easily achievable with a common plunger type primer, but there is no way it is going to open with a Facet pump. LOMs are hard to start without prime, but start readily with a couple of squirts.


Since you are concerned about starting, how is you starter vibrator? (Or have you installed a Slickstart?) If you are using the vibrator, take the lid off and ensure that it is vibrating vigorously when the starter is engaged. They are finicky little buggers and require cleaning and adjusting from time to time, which is why so many people replace them with a Slickstart.


Feel free to telephone if I can be of assistance.

Steve
--
Stephen Beaver
Tel: [url=tel:614-937-4189]614-937-4189[/url]
Quote:

On Oct 25, 2018, at 12:04 AM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:


Thank you very much for the help with the starter, I checked on youtube and I think my starter is normal, I just expected it to turn much faster

Main culprit that has now been identified is an inoperative primer

I am using a facet fuel pump from Aircraft spruce

https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php
Combined with an electric solenoid engine primer valve

https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/appages/elsolprimer.php?clickkey=28343
This combination does not seem to generate enough pressure to open the valve in the primer nozzle in the intake manifold, suggestions on what to use for a primer pump would be appreciated. Any ideas on where I can find out at what pressure the nozzle opens?

Thanks

Mike


From: owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com)> On Behalf Of sjbeaver
Sent: October 22, 2018 4:29 AM
To: lom-list(at)matronics.com (lom-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: LOM STARTER



The 12v version of the starter is quite rare, so I must first ask are you absolutely 100% sure that you have a 12v starter? If you are, then put a volt meter across the starter terminal and measure the voltage when you attempt to start the engine.


How close is the reading to 12v?

With the supercharger disengaged, does the starter spin quickly and easily when you press the starter button?

Does the engine turn freely by hand?


Since the starter drives the engine through the supercharger gearing, it takes rather less power than most starters. I use only very small 9 AH lead acid battery and my engine cranks vigorously. It is 24v, however.


Steve
--
Stephen Beaver
Tel: [url=tel:614-937-4189]614-937-4189[/url]

Quote:

On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:16 AM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:


Hello All



Tried to start my 4 cylinder LOM with supercharger and 12 volt starter for first time to-day.



Starter seems very sluggish and does not want to spin the engine and seems to struggle to get past one compression stroke.

Wiring does not get warm but starter gets warm very quickly



Any advise or observations?



Thanks



Mike



Mike Pienaar

mike(at)vision499.com (ike(at)vision499.com)

Home: [url=tel:+1%20250-999-8121]+1 250-999-8121[/url]

Mike cell: [url=tel:+1%20250-885-0554]+1 250-885-0554[/url]

1-1100 Tulip Ave, Victoria, BC, V8Z 0A2





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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:09 pm    Post subject: LOM STARTED Reply with quote
I think you will find Wentworth Aircraft, and Texas Air Salvage have used ones in stock. I paid $200 for the last couple I bought. Ask for a model SS1001 or SS1002. They are essentially the same and differ only in paperwork
http://www.wentworthaircraft.com

https://www.texasairsalvage.com Steve-- Stephen BeaverTel: 614-937-4189
Quote:
On Nov 5, 2018, at 7:02 PM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:
Hello Stephen,

Thanks for the input, may I ask you a favour, if you spot a Slickstart at a good price again will you let me know. I don’t normally watch out for goodies but will keep my eyes open as well from now on

Mike

From: owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com)> On Behalf Of sjbeaverSent: November 2, 2018 10:06 AMTo: lom-list(at)matronics.com (lom-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: Re: LOM STARTED

Wentworth aircraft sell Slickstarts for about $200. I have bought several from there for LOM users overseas.


There are two main advantages:



1.   Less maintenance since there are no points to clean and adjust

2.   Much more reliable starting if the battery is weak. (The Slickstart operates down to about 8 volts, so if the prop moves even one compression, the engine will likely start)
Steve-- Stephen BeaverTel: [url=tel:614-937-4189]614-937-4189[/url]
Quote:
On Nov 2, 2018, at 1:01 PM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:


Thank you very much to everybody that assisted.



The engine finally started and is running very smoothly.



I borrowed a manual primer pump from a friend and that solved the priming issue, it started but would not run continuously and a friend suggested that the injectors may need bleeding.



After bleeding the injectors all was well



I bought a SLICKSTART on e-bay a while back but it is defective and went with the vibrator instead of getting a new Slickstart



How much of an improvement is there with a Slickstart?



Thanks again for the help



Mike



From: owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com)> On Behalf Of sjbeaverSent: October 25, 2018 4:39 AMTo: lom-list(at)matronics.com (lom-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: Re: LOM Primer issue



The primer nozzle is just another fuel injector nozzle and so requires a pressure of somewhere in the 80 psi+ range. That is easily achievable with a common plunger type primer, but there is no way it is going to open with a Facet pump. LOMs are hard to start without prime, but start readily with a couple of squirts.


Since you are concerned about starting, how is you starter vibrator? (Or have you installed a Slickstart?) If you are using the vibrator, take the lid off and ensure that it is vibrating vigorously when the starter is engaged. They are finicky little buggers and require cleaning and adjusting from time to time, which is why so many people replace them with a Slickstart.


Feel free to telephone if I can be of assistance.
Steve-- Stephen BeaverTel: [url=tel:614-937-4189]614-937-4189[/url]


Quote:
On Oct 25, 2018, at 12:04 AM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:


Thank you very much for the help with the starter, I checked on youtube and I think my starter is normal, I just expected it to turn much faster

Main culprit that has now been identified is an inoperative primer

I am using a facet fuel pump from Aircraft spruce

https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php
Combined with an electric solenoid engine primer valve

https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/appages/elsolprimer.php?clickkey=28343
This combination does not seem to generate enough pressure to open the valve in the primer nozzle in the intake manifold, suggestions on what to use for a primer pump would be appreciated. Any ideas on where I can find out at what pressure the nozzle opens?

Thanks

Mike


From: owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-lom-list-server(at)matronics.com)> On Behalf Of sjbeaverSent: October 22, 2018 4:29 AMTo: lom-list(at)matronics.com (lom-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: Re: LOM STARTER



The 12v version of the starter is quite rare, so I must first ask are you absolutely 100% sure that you have a 12v starter? If you are, then put a volt meter across the starter terminal and measure the voltage when you attempt to start the engine.


How close is the reading to 12v?

With the supercharger disengaged, does the starter spin quickly and easily when you press the starter button?

Does the engine turn freely by hand?


Since the starter drives the engine through the supercharger gearing, it takes rather less power than most starters. I use only very small 9 AH lead acid battery and my engine cranks vigorously. It is 24v, however.

Steve-- Stephen BeaverTel: [url=tel:614-937-4189]614-937-4189[/url]
Quote:
On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:16 AM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:


Hello All



Tried to start my 4 cylinder LOM with supercharger and 12 volt starter for first time to-day.



Starter seems very sluggish and does not want to spin the engine and seems to struggle to get past one compression stroke.

Wiring does not get warm but starter gets warm very quickly



Any advise or observations?



Thanks



Mike



Mike Pienaar

mike(at)vision499.com (ike(at)vision499.com)

Home: [url=tel:+1%20250-999-8121]+1 250-999-8121[/url]

Mike cell: [url=tel:+1%20250-885-0554]+1 250-885-0554[/url]

1-1100 Tulip Ave, Victoria, BC, V8Z 0A2





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