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zetebete(at)t-online.hu
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:29 pm Post subject: KOLB MARK II:

 

 Hallo Everybody



  

 I want to ask somebody help.I have bought a  used - but in very good condicion - KOLB MARK II. tipe /with Rotax 582  engin/ plane from a german pilot.

 Onfortunately, the plane has no any dokuments  becouse  the owner lost those whenn he moved to Hungary. 

 It is my problem, i can not get licence in Hungary  without this dokuments.

 So I need an  - air and technical operation  manual

                      - original type certification,

                      - drawing set from the Kolb Mark II.

                      - load test report,

                      - measurement of weight and centre of gravity report,

                      - report of initial test flight.

 I ask somebody to help me in my  problem.

 I'm waiting for reply of somebody, who has got  those documents.

 Best reghards

  

 Zoltán Tibor 

 zetebete(at)t-online.hu (zetebete(at)t-online.hu)

 HUNGARY

Eugene Zimmerman

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 392

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:11 pm Post subject: KOLB MARK II:

Zoltán,



Good luck,

The documents you need you will probably have to create yourself  

because they most likely never did exist.



  The fact is where I live a Kolb Mark II with a 582 Rotax will fly  

just as well without the document . < g >

Sorry, I know that does not help you with your problem. But you need  

some local help for your special problem.

The Kolb Mark II is a good airplane but it is now an orphan without  

its parent company.



On Jul 17, 2006, at 4:32 PM, Zé-Té Bt. wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Hallo Everybody



 I want to ask somebody help.I have bought a used - but in very good  

 condicion - KOLB MARK II. tipe /with Rotax 582 engin/ plane from a  

 german pilot.

 Onfortunately, the plane has no any dokuments becouse  the owner  

 lost those whenn he moved to Hungary.

 It is my problem, i can not get licence in Hungary without this  

 dokuments.

 So I need an  - air and technical operation manual

                     - original type certification,

                     - drawing set from the Kolb Mark II.

                     - load test report,

                     - measurement of weight and centre of gravity  

 report,

                     - report of initial test flight.

 I ask somebody to help me in my problem.

 I'm waiting for reply of somebody, who has got those documents.

 Best reghards



 Zoltán Tibor

 zetebete(at)t-online.hu

 HUNGARY

slyck(at)frontiernet.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject: KOLB MARK II:

We should feel sympathy for Zoltan.

The question is: are there many  N-numbered MkIIs here in the USA?

-my guess is there never was an operation manual

no type certificate

no test flight report

no load test report

BUT someone could email him a copy of W&B

a drawing set

an operation manual



Good luck ZT

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On 17, Jul 2006, at 4:32 PM, Zé-Té Bt. wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		    

 Hallo Everybody

  

 I want to ask somebody help.I have bought a used - but in very 

 good condicion - KOLB MARK II. tipe /with Rotax 582 engin/ plane from 

 a german pilot.

 Onfortunately, the plane has no any dokuments becouse  the owner lost 

 those whenn he moved to Hungary. 

 It is my problem, i can not get licence in Hungary without this 

 dokuments.

 So I need an  - air and technical operation manual

                     - original type certification,

                     - drawing set from the Kolb Mark II.


	


 	  Quote: 	
		                       - load test report,

                     - measurement of weight and centre of gravity 

 report,

                     - report of initial test flight.

 I ask somebody to help me in my problem.

 I'm waiting for reply of somebody, who has got those documents.

 Best reghards

  

 Zoltán Tibor

 zetebete(at)t-online.hu

 HUNGARY

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:55 pm Post subject: KOLB MARK II:

We should feel sympathy for Zoltan.

The question is: are there many  N-numbered MkIIs here in the USA?

Zoltan/Bob B/Gang:



Perhaps he should contact TNK.  Maybe they can help him out.  There is 

a dealer in England.



Zoltan can get all the contact info here, including the England 

contact:



http://www.tnkolbaircraft.com/contact_us.html



john h

mkIII

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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

Eugene Zimmerman

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 392

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject: KOLB MARK II:

On Jul 17, 2006, at 7:24 PM, robert bean wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   We should feel sympathy for Zoltan.

 The question is: are there many  N-numbered MkIIs here in the USA?


	


With the 582 Rotax? They would be very rare birds.

zetebete(at)t-online.hu
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:39 pm Post subject: KOLB MARK II:

Hallo Eugen,

You have right, the Mark II can fly without documents if it has a pilot on 

the bord and the tank is full.

byby Tibi

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zetebete(at)t-online.hu
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:00 pm Post subject: KOLB MARK II:

Hallo Robert,

 Do You think, the old KOLB firm sold the planes  without document?  withou test, without measuring, and so  on.....?

 Was somebody, who bought those plane without any  documented control?

 I do not think it.....

 For there I promiss, there are somebody round the  world, who can send me a copy about those document!

 I think, it exist pilot friendship.

 Byby Tibi

  

 [quote]   ---

zetebete(at)t-online.hu
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:01 pm Post subject: KOLB MARK II:

Thank You Bob, I'll try it.

By Tibi

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zetebete(at)t-online.hu
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:11 pm Post subject: KOLB MARK II:

Eugen,

I think ,in my KOLB MARK II was the engin changed from Rotax 503 to Rotax 

582.

The question is: have somebody got those document round the world about MARK 

II /with R 503 or 582 it is indifferent/

By Tibi

---

zetebete(at)t-online.hu
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject: KOLB MARK II:

 

 [quote]   ---

Eugene Zimmerman

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 392

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:44 pm Post subject: KOLB MARK II:

Tibi,



I believe the Old Kolb firm sold ONLY material kits along with basic  

builder's manual to the builders of planes.

Kolb did not build and sell airplanes.

The builder has always been responsible to provide all the technical  

information to create the necessary documents for the plane they built.

Kolb cannot provide detailed information about a plane they did not  

build and probably never had the chance to test or examine.

You may still be able to obtain the basic information originally  

provided by Kolb about the Kolb Mark II DESIGN, but your plane may or  

may not be the same.

The fact that your plane has a 582 Rotax indicates that it is NOT the  

same as the Kolb design.

One example ,,,,,,,, By mounting a 582 Rotax on a Mark II means it  

will no longer allow the wings to fold as DESIGNED  unless the engine  

and thrust line are  raised up higher than  Mark II DESIGN.



Using documents with information from  another builder's airplane is  

certain to be inaccurate for your plane.



The good news is the plane will fly just as well with inaccurate  

information on the documents as with no documents. 



Good luck,

Gene





 >>> Do You think, the old KOLB firm sold the planes without  

document?  withou test, without measuring, and so on.....?

Was somebody, who bought those plane without any documented control?

I do not think it.....<<<



On Jul 18, 2006, at 5:15 PM, Zé-Té Bt. wrote:



[quote] 

 <zetebete(at)t-online.hu>



 Eugen,

 I think ,in my KOLB MARK II was the engin changed from Rotax 503 to  

 Rotax 582.

 The question is: have somebody got those document round the world  

 about MARK II /with R 503 or 582 it is indifferent/

 By Tibi

 ---

a58r(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:13 pm Post subject: KOLB MARK II:

Gene Z.,

Old Kolb DID sell some factory-built machines, of several models.



regards,

Bob N.

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/



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Eugene Zimmerman

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 392

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:24 am Post subject: KOLB MARK II:

Bob,



Ok, if you say so.

Apparently I am wrong again, unless I am mistaken. 



I was under the impression that they merely helped some builders.

Which models planes did Kolb offer for sale newly factory built?

I know they sold some of their own used planes after they were no  

longer needed as company demonstrators .

Did Kolb also provide the required registration / certification  

documents with new planes they built and sold?

Gene



On Jul 18, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Bob Noyer wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Gene Z.,

 Old Kolb DID sell some factory-built machines, of several models.



 regards,

 Bob N.

 http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/



 do not archive



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