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sportypilot(at)stx.rr.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:01 am Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

I think the AOPA should be doing something too! Aircraft Owners is the 1st 

part of their Name doesn't

say production aircraft owners..



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 BTW, AOPA says there is nothing they can do.  Yet to hear from the EAA

rv8ch

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 250
Location: Switzerland

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:14 am Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

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		   I think if this guy is truely in need the aircaft community should

 ban together and get both EAA and AOPA involved.  


	


I agree.  He has a website - not much up yet.



  http://www.jaxairplane.com/



A wise fellow once said:



  "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

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Rhonda(at)bpaengines.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:06 am Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

Here is part of an email from Dan Horton.  This information was emailed

out to the Pitts Model 12 group.



"First call received was from Councilman Ray's executive assistant. We

had a nice conversation. As suspected, the ordinance is the result of a

protracted problem with a single individual, a Mr. Kraut of Mayapple Rd

in Jacksonville. I did not debate the wisdom of a sweeping ordinance to

address a single idiot. My goal was to gather information and get a

handle on the feelings behind the actions. My impression is that Mr.

Kraut has handed aircraft builders an uphill battle. 



Second call was mine, to Randy Hansen at EAA HQ. I've passed along all I

know about the problem. Randy was already aware of the issue. A member

of EAA's Legal Advisory Council has volunteered to take up the matter

with the City Attorney, and will report, in person, at Oshkosh next

week. Any action taken will be after the Convention."



I agree with Dan that we should, at this point, rely on our member

organizations to act on our behalf.  Quick wit and tongue might do

nothing but exacerbate the situation.



Rhonda Barrett-Bewley

Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.

2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.

Tulsa,OK  74115

(918) 835-1089 phone

(918) 835-1754 fax

www.barrettprecisionengines.com 



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cfi1513840

Joined: 11 Apr 2006
Posts: 14

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:43 am Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

I wouldn't rely entirely on our member organizations to do the job for us,

although I hope they help in whatever way they can. Respectful individual

comments can certainly do no harm, and just might do a whole lot of good. I

would encourage every homebuilder to submit a comment to Corrigan(at)coj.net.

The next town could be yours.



Following is a copy of my email submitted to Mr. Corrigan, President of the

Jacksonville City Council...



Dear Sir,



The recent amendment 656.420 to the Jacksonville zoning code infringes upon

and severely restricts the rights of your citizens, many of whom are

aircraft homebuilders. This is the equivalent of forbidding the restoration

of a vintage automobile or any other object or conveyance on personal

property. Many activities of this nature can be done without impinging on

anyone else's rights or causing any nuisance to others. It is apparent that

this amendment was poorly thought out with regard to the consequences it has

on the rights of your citizens (and future citizens). I would appeal to you

to strike this ill-conceived amendment from your zoning code and replace it

with one that does not deny fundamental AMERICAN LIBERTY.



Respectfully,



Kenneth Howell

Glenwood Maryland



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jpleasants(at)bellsouth.n
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:57 am Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

FWIW, Unison has a major facility in  Jacksonville, and I have seen articles published that indicate that the City  government is proud to have them there.

  

 Prehaps, if their customers (and  potential customers) would encourage Unison, they might be willing to reason  with the Mayor and Councilmen.

  

 Jim Pleasants

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nandrand(at)xtra.co.nz
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

Hi Guys & Gals.  I thourght the USA was the Land of the Free??? It's must be 

the same every place, don't piss off City Hall, they will smack you in the 

mouth every time. Hope you people can resolve this problem, those 

bureaucrats need to remember who pays thier wages!!!. It seems that the Seat 

Polihsers done your way are the same as ours, more Ego than ability!!

       Safe Flying & Happy Landings

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mannanj(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

Jon:

  

 In the vernacular of Rush fans:  DITTO.

  

 Mannan Thomason

 RV-8  N161RL

  

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brian.kraut(at)engalt.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

Thanks.  Very well written.



Brian Kraut

Engineering Alternatives, Inc.

www.engalt.com



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pcowper(at)webtv.net (Pet
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

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		  "We should hear both sides of the story..."


	


Much as I detest governmental inferference with private property rights,

I can just picture it: Carport made from pvc sprinkler pipe and blue

plastic Harbor Freight tarps, plywood work table alongside the driveway

set up on two rusty 55 gallon oil drums, cheap noisy oil-less air

compressor running all day and night, rivet gun ringing, stench of paint

fumes sucked into the whole neighborhood's swamp coolers . . . and now

over 8 years into the project.



It takes a real nuisance to get a city council involved let alone a

county board of supervisors.



Pete Cowper

RV8 #81139 (working on fuselage)

Hanger B-5

Visalia Municipal Airport

3edcft6(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:13 pm Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

Pete Cowper wrote:



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		  Much as I detest governmental inferference with private property rights,

I can just picture it: Carport made from pvc sprinkler pipe . . .




	


You really should read the whole thread before you post.  From what has 

been posted, your mental picture and reality couldn't be further apart.



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aerobubba(at)earthlink.ne
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:23 am Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

Hey Brian-



In my limited experience with neighborhood busybodies it seems that as much

as they try to exert their influence on others, they themselves are not in

compliance with the body of rules they are trying to enforce.  Also, it

sure seems like you have grounds for a harassment suit.



I'll zip JAX a short comment in a moment, as well as stop by the Unison

booth (and flag down T.P.) if we cross paths at OSH.  I would respectfully

an sincerely request that you all do the same.  If 30, 100, or 1,000 folks

grab Tom by the ear next week it might rearrange his priorities a little.



glen matejcek

aerobubba(at)earthlink.net

LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:52 am Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

I am going to send the ordinance to the Today show in New York, because

as it is effectively written, it is illegal to build model rockets, RC

planes and kites for the kids, this is really going way across the line,

and we all need to stand up for this, regardless of the cause, the end

results penalizes all.  

Dan Lloyd

40269 (N289DT)

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mark(at)macomb.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:18 am Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

Wouldn't the ordinance also prohibit hot air balloon pilots from 

transporting their craft to and from launch sites. There must be a 

balloon pilot or two in the county who would be troubled by this.



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Mark



Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:

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 I am going to send the ordinance to the Today show in New York, because

 as it is effectively written, it is illegal to build model rockets, RC

 planes and kites for the kids, this is really going way across the line,

 and we all need to stand up for this, regardless of the cause, the end

 results penalizes all.  

 Dan Lloyd

 40269 (N289DT)

brian.kraut(at)engalt.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:37 pm Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

No.  What it took was one neighbor with nothing better to do than complain.

See more of the story at www.jaxairplane.com.



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webmaster(at)flion.com
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:47 am Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

Sorry, Brian, you are not an unbiased reporter.  Much as we are pre-disposed

to agree with your side of things, to get the other side of the story we'd

have to hear from the city council. By the way, your link to the ordinance

is colored so that it is somewhat difficult to see; personally, I'd make it

as contrasting as possible. Red, perhaps, or black on a red background.



Pat Kelley



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jpl(at)showpage.org
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:48 am Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

The whole thing seems fishy.  We're not getting all the details.



Think about it.  You're a member of the city council, and you've got  

someone whining to you constantly, about absolutely everything.  Are  

you going to bend over backwards to help that person?  I know I'm not!



If she had a history of whining about things that were really  

problems, I'd take her seriously.  But if she whines about everything  

under the sun, then there's no way I'll take her seriously.  Nor  

would I ever abuse my power and oppress everyone else in the city  

just to get her off my back.  The most I'd do is look into the issue.



There's something else going on here that we don't know about.



But if I were the guy in question, I'd be soliciting ideas from folks  

on how to legally make this woman's life miserable -- stuff like  

parking clunkers in the street in front of her house or painting my  

house some horrible color.



-Joe



On Jul 21, 2006, at 7:43 AM, Patrick Kelley wrote:



[quote] 



 Sorry, Brian, you are not an unbiased reporter.  Much as we are pre- 

 disposed

 to agree with your side of things, to get the other side of the  

 story we'd

 have to hear from the city council. By the way, your link to the  

 ordinance

 is colored so that it is somewhat difficult to see; personally, I'd  

 make it

 as contrasting as possible. Red, perhaps, or black on a red  

 background.



 Pat Kelley



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bo124rs(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:53 am Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

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		  From: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster(at)flion.com>


	


 	  Quote: 	
		  Sorry, Brian, you are not an unbiased reporter.  Much as we are 

pre-disposed

to agree with your side of things, to get the other side of the story we'd

have to hear from the city council.


	


Patrick, as much as I would like to agree with you I have posted my 

experience with Brian when I camped with him at SNF last year.  The two 

previous citations he received were both dismissed by a judge.  When it gets 

to the point a neighbor doesn't like the color of your fence, it is time for 

her to get a life.  Sorry to be direct but no matter how you feel about the 

situation Brian is in, the "fathers", using the 10 day no mayor signature 

bill comes into affect clause, far outreached what many consider reasonable. 

  You certainly have your right of opinion, as do I.  Brian, and other 

builders in the affected area, are getting screwed.



Dana Overall

Richmond, KY i39

RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"

O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4

http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html

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brian.kraut(at)engalt.com
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

You are correct.  I am not an unbiased reporter, never claimed to be.  I believe 100% that this is a bogus law that was passed to quiet one squeeky wheel.  I also believe that two judges orders confirm that I was not doing anything wrong, but these are my biased opinion also.  

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mike
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

Cool Brian,

Your on the list.  Tell us more.  Give us some pics of your place and your projects.  Any and all info will help.

3edcft6(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:07 am Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida

Patrick Kelley wrote:



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		   link to the ordinance

is colored so that it is somewhat difficult to see; personally, I'd make it

as contrasting as possible. Red, perhaps, or black on a red background.

  




	


Someone in the print marketing business once told me that if you are 

going to have text on anything other than a white background you should 

use a font like Arial, and not use a font like Times New Roman.  The 

Arial font uses fixed width lines which are easier to read where the 

Times New Roman font uses lines that taper and get very thin which makes 

them fade into that background.  I have my web browser set to use Arial 

by default just for that reason.  Making it bold is even better.



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