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Eugene Zimmerman
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 Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:20 pm Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield |
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Gravity and wind pressure holds them firmly in place. No latch ever needed. I made a latch on the first one and soon found it to be totally unnecessary. Often thought about making an easy change summer partial screen the same way but never did yet. Guess I’m getting too lazy in my old age. | Quote: | On Sep 10, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Richard Pike <thegreybaron(at)charter.net (thegreybaron(at)charter.net)> wrote:
Eugene: do your flip up canopies latch in the back, or does gravity just hold them in place?
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Eugene Zimmerman
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield |
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Thanks, Arty
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:37 am Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield |
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Bill , I took a few better pictures yesterday, if you still interested?
George H.
Firestar
Mesick, Michigan
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| Quote: | On Sep 10, 2018, at 5:53 AM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com>
Say if you guys have some good photos of windshields and/or latches please post them here.
I'll be trying to figure this one out on mine before long.
Thanks, Jerry
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Me too. I installed a fixed windshield after speaking with John H, and it is indeed more comfortable, but getting in and out of the aircraft is quite a spectacle. If anyone has details of a good safe latching system that allows easy entry/exit I'd love to see it.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:26 am Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield |
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NOW I get it... the forward pin / prop rod is separate from the rear latch pin.
I kept wondering how the heck it would work if those two were the same part.
So the prop rod is not permanently attached to the windshield frame or the fuselage... it is completely removable? Or does it hnge or attach to something in order to be used for two different jobs?
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
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On Wed, 9/12/18, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 5:35 AM
Bill , I took a few better pictures
yesterday, if you still interested?
George H.
Firestar
Mesick, Michigan
Sent from my iPhone
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> Say if you guys have some good photos of windshields
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> I'll be trying to figure this one out on mine before
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> Thanks, Jerry
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> Me too. I installed a fixed windshield after speaking
with John H, and it is indeed more comfortable, but getting
in and out of the aircraft is quite a spectacle. If anyone
has details of a good safe latching system that allows easy
entry/exit I'd love to see it.
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capedavis(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:10 am Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield |
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Hi guys Where are these pics your talking about? They aren’t secret are they ? I can’t find them
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| Quote: | On Sep 12, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
NOW I get it... the forward pin / prop rod is separate from the rear latch pin.
I kept wondering how the heck it would work if those two were the same part.
So the prop rod is not permanently attached to the windshield frame or the fuselage... it is completely removable? Or does it hnge or attach to something in order to be used for two different jobs?
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Wed, 9/12/18, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 5:35 AM
Bill , I took a few better pictures
yesterday, if you still interested?
George H.
Firestar
Mesick, Michigan
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 10, 2018, at 5:53 AM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
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> Say if you guys have some good photos of windshields
and/or latches please post them here.
> I'll be trying to figure this one out on mine before
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> Thanks, Jerry
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> Me too. I installed a fixed windshield after speaking
with John H, and it is indeed more comfortable, but getting
in and out of the aircraft is quite a spectacle. If anyone
has details of a good safe latching system that allows easy
entry/exit I'd love to see it.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:19 am Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield |
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Yes, Bill. It is attached to the frame rail by piece of plastic fuel line. It keeps the prop rod in place while entering and exiting the air by lifting the Lexan upward or downward. You flex the rod into place this locking the front down. The you put candy rail to cockpit rail and lock the back down. It’s pretty easy
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| Quote: | On Sep 12, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
NOW I get it... the forward pin / prop rod is separate from the rear latch pin.
I kept wondering how the heck it would work if those two were the same part.
So the prop rod is not permanently attached to the windshield frame or the fuselage... it is completely removable? Or does it hnge or attach to something in order to be used for two different jobs?
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Wed, 9/12/18, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 5:35 AM
Bill , I took a few better pictures
yesterday, if you still interested?
George H.
Firestar
Mesick, Michigan
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 10, 2018, at 5:53 AM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
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> "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com>
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> Say if you guys have some good photos of windshields
and/or latches please post them here.
> I'll be trying to figure this one out on mine before
long.
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> Thanks, Jerry
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> Me too. I installed a fixed windshield after speaking
with John H, and it is indeed more comfortable, but getting
in and out of the aircraft is quite a spectacle. If anyone
has details of a good safe latching system that allows easy
entry/exit I'd love to see it.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:07 am Post subject: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield |
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Wow nice work Eugene!
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:02 am Post subject: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield |
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I am installing the "Kolb Full Canopy" right now and I plan on using your latch mechanism . In the latch picture of the rear, How is the back half of the latch and aluminum piece attached to the Cro-Molly tube ? Do those screws thread into the tube?
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:51 pm Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield |
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No, I custom cut the screws and install them with a drop of blue locktite. The small piece of aluminum channel is attached with two 1/8X1/4”pull rivets. See pictures attached. Note that latch has been bent 90 degrees.
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I am installing the "Kolb Full Canopy" right now and I plan on using your latch mechanism . In the latch picture of the rear, How is the back half of the latch and aluminum piece attached to the Cro-Molly tube ? Do those screws thread into the tube?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield |
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Looks good, thanks for the pictures and info.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield |
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It's done! And now that it's done, I would like to thank the guys on this list for all their good ideas. I especially like John Hauck's windshield shape and size, and tried to get as close to it as possible but still use just one piece of Lexan.
I especially liked Gene Zimmerman's folding arrangement, because I too was having a terrible time getting in and out w/o bashing the windshield with my feet. OTOH, Gene's has a full frame and we are trying to keep the weight down and keep it Part 103 legal. With no frame, it was way too flexible.
So here is the result, pivots in the front, uses minimal hardware, just enough to keep it in shape. When you pull it down into flight position, a pin fits through the aft original windshield mounting tab on the fuselage frame, one on each side.
Once the pins are in place, the lever swings down to keep the pins from pulling back out. Locks everything in place.
Had to modify the fairing with big mounting pads to make the windshield pivot points parallel with the side of the fairing, otherwise the windshield bulged out with a big gap along the sides.
Now I just need the weather to warm up and calm down, and we can try out the new windshield and the new engine - we also swapped out the free air 277 for a fan cooled one. Assuming that everything works OK, then we modify the 277 to dual ignition.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:41 pm Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield |
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It looks pretty good, and I congratulate you on your design thinking. I had a version of that type of wind screen when I first got my plane. It might have been a bit shorter but the wind always hit me just about on my upper lip. If a fella was wearing a helmet it was no problem, but when I installed a radio I was too cheap to buy a helmet with sound, so I did without. You had to stick ear plugs in each nostril to keep the snot from running up my glasses.  A bit hard to clean.
Larry
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It's done! And now that it's done, I would like to thank the guys on this list for all their good ideas. I especially like John Hauck's windshield shape and size, and tried to get as close to it as possible but still use just one piece of Lexan.
I especially liked Gene Zimmerman's folding arrangement, because I too was having a terrible time getting in and out w/o bashing the windshield with my feet. OTOH, Gene's has a full frame and we are trying to keep the weight down and keep it Part 103 legal. With no frame, it was way too flexible.
So here is the result, pivots in the front, uses minimal hardware, just enough to keep it in shape. When you pull it down into flight position, a pin fits through the aft original windshield mounting tab on the fuselage frame, one on each side.
Once the pins are in place, the lever swings down to keep them from pulling back out. Locks everything in place.
Had to modify the fairing with big mounting pads to make the windshield pivot points parallel with the side of the fairing, otherwise the windshield bulged out with a big gap along the sides.
Now I just need the weather to warm up and calm down, and we can try out the new windshield and the new engine - we also swapped out the free air 277 for a fan cooled one. Assuming that everything works OK, then we modify the 277 to dual ignition.
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How gross! 
I did design mine a little different. There's 4130 bow with tabs to mount the instrument panel and fairing. The new brace moved the instrument panel rearward about 18 inches or more closer to the pilot. That full bow was necessary to keep the air stream from trying to flatten the windshield. I kept the same angle as the nose pod to make it a little more aerodynamic. The small 5" fairing came after a flight to the Flight Farm in Monterey, NY, 1988. I had to wear a David Clark cloth helmet and wear goggles because the wind stream hit me right in the face. I eventually lost all the hide off my nose and between the top of the goggles and the bottom rim of the helmet from sun and wind burn. In 1989, I flew the FS back to the Flight Farm and OSH with the fairing. No sweat on losing hide. I wore a baseball cap and my sun glasses. Much nicer and got a couple more mph cruise speed out of the 447. The new fairing kicked the wind right over the top of the wing.
I also included a photo of Homer's windshield on the 1985 Oshkosh Grand Champion UL he rebuilt after many years. Dick Rahill crashed it at OSH 1989. Stalled making a tight steep descending turn on final. I have a snap shot of him crashing. I took it while sitting in the cockpit of my FS at the approach end of the airstrip.
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It looks pretty good, and I congratulate you on your design thinking. I had a version of that type of wind screen when I first got my plane. It might have been a bit shorter but the wind always hit me just about on my upper lip. If a fella was wearing a helmet it was no problem, but when I installed a radio I was too cheap to buy a helmet with sound, so I did without. You had to stick ear plugs in each nostril to keep the snot from running up my glasses. A bit hard to clean.
Larry
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It's done! And now that it's done, I would like to thank the guys on this list for all their good ideas. I especially like John Hauck's windshield shape and size, and tried to get as close to it as possible but still use just one piece of Lexan.
I especially liked Gene Zimmerman's folding arrangement, because I too was having a terrible time getting in and out w/o bashing the windshield with my feet. OTOH, Gene's has a full frame and we are trying to keep the weight down and keep it Part 103 legal. With no frame, it was way too flexible.
So here is the result, pivots in the front, uses minimal hardware, just enough to keep it in shape. When you pull it down into flight position, a pin fits through the aft original windshield mounting tab on the fuselage frame, one on each side.
Once the pins are in place, the lever swings down to keep them from pulling back out. Locks everything in place.
Had to modify the fairing with big mounting pads to make the windshield pivot points parallel with the side of the fairing, otherwise the windshield bulged out with a big gap along the sides.
Now I just need the weather to warm up and calm down, and we can try out the new windshield and the new engine - we also swapped out the free air 277 for a fan cooled one. Assuming that everything works OK, then we modify the 277 to dual ignition.
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Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Redoing the Firefly windshield)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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