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dalamphere(at)comcast.net
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 Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:40 pm Post subject: MGL Avionics |
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Looking for anyone’s experience with any of the MGL avionics units.
The remote mounted V16 com radio with the Razor controller looks interesting.
Any comments or advice concerning these products? Would you put them in a new plane?
Dave
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art(at)zemon.name
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:00 pm Post subject: MGL Avionics |
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Dave,
I just installed dual MGL iEFIS Challenger screens in my Bede BD-4C. I am very much in the learning phase with just one flight and a few taxi tests. So far, I am happy.
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On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 9:05 PM David and Elaine Lamphere <dalamphere(at)comcast.net (dalamphere(at)comcast.net)> wrote:
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Looking for anyone’s experience with any of the MGL avionics units.
The remote mounted V16 com radio with the Razor controller looks interesting.
Any comments or advice concerning these products? Would you put them in a new plane?
Dave
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Peter(at)sportingaero.com
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:16 am Post subject: MGL Avionics |
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I'm not a great fan. They are less expensive than many other vendors, but the installation is often more challenging.
It depends on your experience, intended use and budget.
Users have access to much of the code, particularly the display configuration, which is good and bad.
The owner can make the display what he wants, but many smart people have spend many, many hours defining standards for aircraft displays - why should you be able to do better than them?
Trig radios are better.
Peter
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echristley(at)att.net
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:15 pm Post subject: MGL Avionics |
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On Sunday, February 24, 2019, 5:17:28 AM EST, Peter Pengilly <Peter(at)sportingaero.com> wrote:
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Users have access to much of the code, particularly the display configuration, which is good and bad.
The owner can make the display what he wants, but many smart people have spend many, many hours defining standards for aircraft displays - why should you be able to do better than them?
I don't mean to start a week long thread, but this is a legitimate question that is often asked, and it has a very good answer that applies to a larger set of problems.
A user can do better than the professionals, because the user has to worry about exactly ONE airplane. The "smart people", professionals, have to worry about a great many airplanes that are flown in a wide range of scenarios. I'm a software engineer, and I spend half of my design time trying to constrain the scope. I'm constantly explaining to my workmates that taking on one more requirement increases the complexity exponentially. A user can design a better interface, because he is dealing with a smaller problem space.
Doesn't mean she will. It means she can.
Also, , generally the user isn't needing to make a living off of the results.
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:20 am Post subject: MGL Avionics |
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I have no love for MGL avionics. I work on an airplane with an Enigma EFIS and a better name could not be made for it unless it was prefaced with POS. The problem is the user manual(s). There might as well be none since what there are are almost completely worthless. I've spent many days and nights trying to figure out how to get the thing to talk to standard Rotax sensors. There aren't any options for them and what there are just don't work. MGL abandoned the model after the second faulty revision of the manuals so it's a mystery of what to do to get it to talk to its display. To this day I cannot get the thing to display oil pressure. We've changed out the sender and run down the wires connecting the RDX box to the display without result. I've tried every option the software gives (and none of it is as the manual(s) say it is) and cannot get a reliable readout.So my recommendation is that unless you are capable of writing your own code and want to spend many, many extra hours trying to get what you paid for, give MGL a very wide birth.
Rick Girard
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On Sunday, February 24, 2019, 5:17:28 AM EST, Peter Pengilly <Peter(at)sportingaero.com (Peter(at)sportingaero.com)> wrote:
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Users have access to much of the code, particularly the display configuration, which is good and bad.
The owner can make the display what he wants, but many smart people have spend many, many hours defining standards for aircraft displays - why should you be able to do better than them?
I don't mean to start a week long thread, but this is a legitimate question that is often asked, and it has a very good answer that applies to a larger set of problems.
A user can do better than the professionals, because the user has to worry about exactly ONE airplane. The "smart people", professionals, have to worry about a great many airplanes that are flown in a wide range of scenarios. I'm a software engineer, and I spend half of my design time trying to constrain the scope. I'm constantly explaining to my workmates that taking on one more requirement increases the complexity exponentially. A user can design a better interface, because he is dealing with a smaller problem space.
Doesn't mean she will. It means she can.
Also, , generally the user isn't needing to make a living off of the results.
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Peter(at)sportingaero.com
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:34 pm Post subject: MGL Avionics |
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All true, but assumes the user is smart enough to figure out which aspects can be safely modified and which should be left alone.
How many times have you read magazine reports about a featured aircraft where you are left asking,
“Why did s/he do that?!!”
Many modifications are shown to be ill-conceived in the light of operational experience. When working away on his own in the garage the builder rationalises a modification that seems an obvious improvement. Except that his lack of operational experience with the aircraft/equipment fails to highlight the reason the modification has not been included by the designer.
How many times have you heard, just a small software change…
For some the ability to make software changes will be a significant bonus. Not my cup of tea.
Peter
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com> On Behalf Of Ernest Christley
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Subject: Re: MGL Avionics
On Sunday, February 24, 2019, 5:17:28 AM EST, Peter Pengilly <Peter(at)sportingaero.com (Peter(at)sportingaero.com)> wrote:
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Peter Pengilly" <Peter(at)sportingaero.com (Peter(at)sportingaero.com)>
Users have access to much of the code, particularly the display configuration, which is good and bad.
The owner can make the display what he wants, but many smart people have spend many, many hours defining standards for aircraft displays - why should you be able to do better than them?
I don't mean to start a week long thread, but this is a legitimate question that is often asked, and it has a very good answer that applies to a larger set of problems.
A user can do better than the professionals, because the user has to worry about exactly ONE airplane. The "smart people", professionals, have to worry about a great many airplanes that are flown in a wide range of scenarios. I'm a software engineer, and I spend half of my design time trying to constrain the scope. I'm constantly explaining to my workmates that taking on one more requirement increases the complexity exponentially. A user can design a better interface, because he is dealing with a smaller problem space.
Doesn't mean she will. It means she can.
Also, , generally the user isn't needing to make a living off of the results.
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