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 Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:29 pm Post subject: Europa Accident |
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Email forwarded from Jabiru yahoo group.
Any Europa members in area?
On test flight near KDWA Yolo County Airport The Jabiru engine ceased about ten minutes into the flight. I leveled off at 3000 feet and was cruising along and a 2950rpm when some went bang and I lost power, check everything over and observed that cylinder #5 EGT and CHT were running down. Turned toward the airport about 5 miles away. Engine still running and figured I'd make it OK .
Turn a 2 mile final and the engine ceased! It looked as the aiming spot was in the center of the runway. At 1/2 mile it started moving towards me fast. Looked at the MGL Odyssey and it showed 690 feet. Just then EFIS said I had a traffic at 6 o'clock at 300 feet. I had to make hard decision; continue towards the airport with a plane under me and trees coming up. I made a 90 degrees turn to the left. Picked the worse type on field, plowed with furrows straight in front of me. Tricycle gear airplane. I slipped it because I was too high and over did it. Heading towards a weather station right in front of me. Had to turn more left the back to the furrows, about that time I run out of air. Hit nose first flipped on my back.
I was trapped in the cockpit for one hour with fuel running out the filler neck and leaking down to the center section where I was trapped. Got first degree burns on my belly and down lower. Got a helicopter ride to U.C. Davis. The pilot of the 300 foot airplane was the first of there. He could not up me but the fire volunteer department was on there way.
Will known more later, but reading this blog I'm pretty sure the exhaust valve on #5 failed. Will let you know more when the NTSB tearing the engine down.
Engine G2 3300L 33a2120
first flight June 11. 2011
Total Time 196.9
Rick Stockton
http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2019/04/europa-trigear-n120ej-accident-occurred.html
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| Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:58 am Post subject: Re: Europa Accident |
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So sorry to hear this. Wish you a speedy recovery Rick.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:37 am Post subject: Europa Accident |
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Very sorry to hear of your mishap Rick and do hope your injuries are not
too significant.
Best wishes from Down Under for a speedy recovery.
Kingsley
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| Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:27 am Post subject: Europa Accident |
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Rick
thanks for sharing the experience - very useful. I hope when you have time you will give us a fuller run down.
Wishing you a speedy recovery.
Will
William Daniell
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Very sorry to hear of your mishap Rick and do hope your injuries are not
too significant.
Best wishes from Down Under for a speedy recovery.
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Roland
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Hello Rick,
I'm sorry to hear about your accident and also wish you a speedy recovery from your injuries.
I find it frightening, that the occupants get trapped in the cockpit when the Europa flips over. In one of the last issues of the Europa Flyer there was also a report of a forced landing of a Europa Trigear with subsequent flip over after an engine failure and the pilot also at least had his difficulties with escaping the cockpit. I assume it's a similar problem with all low wing aircraft, the Europa maybe even slightly better with the gull-wing doors compared to a one piece canopy.
Regards
Roland
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peterz(at)zutrasoft.com
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| Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:40 pm Post subject: Europa Accident |
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I also offer my best wishes for a speedy recovery, and condolences on your plane.
Wrt to in ted egress, i was planning on making the hinge pins removable with the pull of a handle (on cables). I have the same feature on my lil hummelbird to be able to bail.
Regards,
Pete
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| Quote: | On Apr 20, 2019, at 5:59 PM, Roland <schmidtroland(at)web.de> wrote:
Hello Rick,
I'm sorry to hear about your accident and also wish you a speedy recovery from your injuries.
I find it frightening, that the occupants get trapped in the cockpit when the Europa flips over. In one of the last issues of the Europa Flyer there was also a report of a forced landing of a Europa Trigear with subsequent flip over after an engine failure and the pilot also at least had his difficulties with escaping the cockpit. I assume it's a similar problem with all low wing aircraft, the Europa maybe even slightly better with the gull-wing doors compared to a one piece canopy.
Regards
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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h&jeuropa
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| Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: Europa Accident |
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I talked to Rick Friday evening. He is home and recovering from cracked vertebra and rib and burns from leaking fuel. He expects to be back at work in a few weeks.
He commented that the rescue crew was concerned that they didn’t know where the battery was located to disconnect it. It might be a good idea to placard that on our airplanes. They also had difficulty getting him out and wouldn’t use their electrically powered saws because of the fuel leak. Instead they used hammers and axes to cut open the fuselage. He related that the seat belt webbing broke which was a good thing since it allowed his body to lay across the center console and into the passenger seat avoiding being crushed.
Jim Butcher
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Hitchflight
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| Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: Europa Accident |
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Best wishes to Rick for a speedy recovery.
Have just had the opportunity to review the posted picture. Horrific accident.
Well done the US volunteer Fire Department.
Bob
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Roland
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| Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:33 am Post subject: Re: Europa Accident |
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In this context I ask myself the question of what use if any is an emergency hammer, which I have in the baggage compartment. From the picture I'd suppose, that there is sufficient space between the door sill and the wing for escaping, provided that one isn't seriously injured. But would it be possible to break a big whole into the plexi glass with the hammer to escape? Any thoughts on this? Of what other use is the hammer then? Only just a cutter for the seat belts could be much lighter than that one which is combined with the hammer.
How about the door itself? It's not very solid. Wouldn't it be possible to deform it sufficiently using a strong force? It would be interesting to know more details from the similar accident in England, where the Pilot managed to escape, but with difficulties.
Just Brainstorming...
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| Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:35 am Post subject: Europa Accident |
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Fwiw: put the hinge pins on some light stranded wire, and pull them all with a single handle pull?
Regards,
Pete
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| Quote: | On Apr 23, 2019, at 4:33 AM, Roland <schmidtroland(at)web.de> wrote:
In this context I ask myself the question of what use if any is an emergency hammer, which I have in the baggage compartment. From the picture I'd suppose, that there is sufficient space between the door sill and the wing for escaping, provided that one isn't seriously injured. But would it be possible to break a big whole into the plexi glass with the hammer to escape? Any thoughts on this? Of what other use is the hammer then? Only just a cutter for the seat belts could be much lighter than that one which is combined with the hammer.
How about the door itself? It's not very solid. Wouldn't it be possible to deform it sufficiently using a strong force? It would be interesting to know more details from the similar accident in England, where the Pilot managed to escape, but with difficulties.
Just Brainstorming...
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pete(at)lawless.info
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| Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:49 am Post subject: Europa Accident |
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Hi Roland
We tested a cutter/hammer on a scrap Europa door window and it broke it
most satisfactorily.
Pete
G-RMAC Classic #109
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In this context I ask myself the question of what use if any is an emergency hammer, which I have in the baggage compartment. From the picture I'd suppose, that there is sufficient space between the door sill and the wing for escaping, provided that one isn't seriously injured. But would it be possible to break a big whole into the plexi glass with the hammer to escape? Any thoughts on this? Of what other use is the hammer then? Only just a cutter for the seat belts could be much lighter than that one which is combined with the hammer.
How about the door itself? It's not very solid. Wouldn't it be possible to deform it sufficiently using a strong force? It would be interesting to know more details from the similar accident in England, where the Pilot managed to escape, but with difficulties.
Just Brainstorming...
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Roland
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| Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:52 am Post subject: Re: Europa Accident |
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That's very interesting, Pete - thanks for that information. I didn't want to test it on my Europa-door after I once managed to close it in flight with great efforts a couple of years ago.
This option is at least some peace of mind, because getting trapped in the cockpit with fuel spilled all over me is not a very appealing thought.
Both accidents with flip over seem to suggest, that the frame of the windscreen collapses on impact leaving only a small gap between roof and door sill.
Also I find Jim's idea very good to placard the location of the battery for the rescue team.
All food for thought....
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| Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:30 am Post subject: Europa Accident |
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I wonder if there is value in re-enforcing the windshield hoop? I a light-weight carbon tube layup perhaps? Opinions out there?
thx,
Pete
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That's very interesting, Pete - thanks for that information. I didn't want to test it on my Europa-door after I once managed to close it in flight with great efforts a couple of years ago.
This option is at least some peace of mind, because getting trapped in the cockpit with fuel spilled all over me is not a very appealing thought.
Both accidents with flip over seem to suggest, that the frame of the windscreen collapses on impact leaving only a small gap between roof and door sill.
Also I find Jim's idea very good to placard the location of the battery for the rescue team.
All food for thought....
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Roland
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| Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Europa Accident |
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And another question pops up:
Why is it, that the fuel is flooding the Cockpit in an inverted Europa? The breather vents on top of the fuselage and the only open end of the fuel filler hose/filler neck is on top of the fuselage as well. So as long as the tank or the filler neck isn't cracked it should not happen, that fuel is running over the occupants.
Where is my error in reasoning?
Roland
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christoph.both(at)acadiau
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| Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:28 am Post subject: Europa Accident |
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I created a 3-ply CF loop around the front door (windshield) opening arch carrying into the fuselage sides where the lift pin reinforcement layers are.
This really stiffened up the forward fuselage section. Extra weight only 300 grams or so. I used a 2-inch wide CF woven strip.
Christoph Both
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I wonder if there is value in re-enforcing the windshield hoop? I a light-weight carbon tube layup perhaps? Opinions out there?
thx,
Pete
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That's very interesting, Pete - thanks for that information. I didn't want to test it on my Europa-door after I once managed to close it in flight with great efforts a couple of years ago.
This option is at least some peace of mind, because getting trapped in the cockpit with fuel spilled all over me is not a very appealing thought.
Both accidents with flip over seem to suggest, that the frame of the windscreen collapses on impact leaving only a small gap between roof and door sill.
Also I find Jim's idea very good to placard the location of the battery for the rescue team.
All food for thought....
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488892#488892
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Noting that compressive spinal injuries can result from the geometry of the shoulder straps and seat back in the Europa in the event of an accident or even just a hard landing, I fabbed these hinged risers which eliminate the downward component of the resultant forces. Attached to the shoulder harness embedment, the riser was tested with a hydraulic press by applying 1500# (10 G’s, assuming 150# upper body weight) force forward across the slot which captures the straps.
In the down position, they permit normal entry and exiting; when you’re seated and slip into the shoulder straps, the straps raise the riser to the upright position…”works a treat”.
Made from scraps of 1/8” plywood, 1/8” Lastafoam, and BID, they weigh about a pound a piece…happy to share details upon request.
Fred
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Hi Fred
By coincidence, I was just trying yesterday to remember who had created that mod - I’d be very grateful if you could supply some details as I am about to move on to the seats and I’m tall enough to worry about downward forces from the seatbelts!
Kind regards
Richard C-C
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Noting that compressive spinal injuries can result from the geometry of the shoulder straps and seat back in the Europa in the event of an accident or even just a hard landing, I fabbed these hinged risers which eliminate the downward component of the resultant forces. Attached to the shoulder harness embedment, the riser was tested with a hydraulic press by applying 1500# (10 G’s, assuming 150# upper body weight) force forward across the slot which captures the straps.
In the down position, they permit normal entry and exiting; when you’re seated and slip into the shoulder straps, the straps raise the riser to the upright position…”works a treat”.
Made from scraps of 1/8” plywood, 1/8” Lastafoam, and BID, they weigh about a pound a piece…happy to share details upon request.
Fred
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| Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:58 am Post subject: Europa accident |
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Fred,
Please send details!
Including if you have them the results of any load testing, which is currently (?) the 'sticking point' with LAA in the UK. Not that the load tests would be difficult; just need doing.
BTW up to 40g momentarily has been shown to be survivable, not that the geometry of the modification would itself take anywhere near that directly.
Rgds.,
Duncan McF.
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Noting that compressive spinal injuries can result from the geometry of the shoulder straps and seat back in the Europa in the event of an accident or even just a hard landing, I fabbed these hinged risers which eliminate the downward component of the resultant forces. Attached to the shoulder harness embedment, the riser was tested with a hydraulic press by applying 1500# (10 G’s, assuming 150# upper body weight) force forward across the slot which captures the straps.
In the down position, they permit normal entry and exiting; when you’re seated and slip into the shoulder straps, the straps raise the riser to the upright position…”works a treat”.
Made from scraps of 1/8” plywood, 1/8” Lastafoam, and BID, they weigh about a pound a piece…happy to share details upon request.
Fred
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