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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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 Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:40 am Post subject: Speaking of crashes... |
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A Cessna 182 practicing T & G's at Napoleon Airport (3NP) ran out of
runway and crashed across the road at the end of 27 yesterday...nobody
hurt, but the plane is a total loss...one wing ripped in half, vertical
tail tore loose, etc. It is still stuffed into the trees just 30 feet
from the road, and about ground level.
I mention this because I had been keeping my IV at this airport for a
month, just to have a choice of 2 runways, of greater length and width,
per my instructors' wishes. Today I was taking it home to my shorter,
narrower, and only runway this morning, but not before some last few
TOLS at 3NP. It was a little unnerving to have to take off and land
with that wreckage looming up ahead, but nothing that an "old pro" of
30-some solo hours couldn't handle. : )
I finally went home and made a half-dozen TOLS at the home field, then
a couple at each of the other 5 fields that I'm currently cleared to go
to, then home.
Thankfully, none of the other fields had wreckage to have to fly over.
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
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ruebd(at)skymail.csus.edu
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject: Speaking of crashes... |
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Lynners:
I was once up with a student at KAUN (Auburn) when someone from
the 'flat land' ran a 206 off the end of the runway, and we had to
alternate to Lincoln and wait for the runway to be re-opened.
I hate to see such things happen, especially since they are
preventable with more training or by applying the training one already
has. Not to sound too righteous, most of the time something like this
happens, the pilot is either rusty as hell, or lacks the training and
discipline to practice enough to be proficient enough to be able to do
the normal stuff. If you can't land a Cessna trike with all the flaps
they have, you should be embarrassed, cause that is about the easiest
winged thing ever made to operate.
Too many pilots and their airplanes simply do not fly enough to
maintain proficiency. It is sad to see so many ignored aircraft parked
at the Flugplatzes.
Sounds like you are doing good with your flying program, so keep up the
good work.
D'Sky
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janderson412(at)hotmail.c
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:53 pm Post subject: Speaking of crashes... |
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Bad training or lack of it, but remember not every one that wants to fly is a flyer...god made us all different. But a pilot should know long before he/she gets near the ground that the a/c will stop in time by flying the site picture. Pick the point of touch down, keep that site line on the same spot on the screen(at the correct speed of course)... if it drfts up or down ajust the flight path with power to keep it right. No matter how big or small the bird is, F/W or heli it works just the same. If a pilot is not taught this from day one or can't grasp the concept, he/she will do approaches by guess or by god and sooner or later go through the fence. John A.
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From: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd(at)skymail.csus.edu>
Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
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Subject: RE: Speaking of crashes...
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:13:02 -0700
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd(at)skymail.csus.edu>
Lynners:
I was once up with a student at KAUN (Auburn) when someone from
the 'flat land' ran a 206 off the end of the runway, and we had to
alternate to Lincoln and wait for the runway to be re-opened.
I hate to see such things happen, especially since they are
preventable with more training or by applying the training one already
has. Not to sound too righteous, most of the time something like this
happens, the pilot is either rusty as hell, or lacks the training and
discipline to practice enough to be proficient enough to be able to do
the normal stuff. If you can't land a Cessna trike with all the flaps
they have, you should be embarrassed, cause that is about the easiest
winged thing ever made to operate.
Too many pilots and their airplanes simply do not fly enough to
maintain proficiency. It is sad to see so many ignored aircraft parked
at the Flugplatzes.
Sounds like you are doing good with your flying program, so keep up the
good work.
D'Sky
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mike
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Speaking of crashes... |
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The reply about all the airplanes on the ground more than in the air is right on. I went to an outing last night for the WPA(washington pilots association) and found that most pilots I talked to have only flown 4 times this year or less. I couldn't resist the brag of 140 flights this year so far. They just looked at me with envy. I told them that I was feeling the effects of not flying yesterday because the outing was bitting into my flying time. I also mentioned that when I fly for an hour I use about 4 gallons of fuel, now that really got there attention. Flying certified airplanes is very expensive and the joy is ripped right out because face it, those tin cans are just not fun to fly, besides most are flown over 4000 agl. So what do we get in return, very rusty pilots that go up to justify having a pilots license in the first place. You always know that they are the rusty ones by the radio talk and the airline approaches. I do my best to give way to these pilots.
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2thesky
Joined: 30 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:26 am Post subject: Re: Speaking of crashes... |
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| Lynn Matteson wrote: | It was a little unnerving to have to take off and land
with that wreckage looming up ahead, but nothing that an "old pro" of
30-some solo hours couldn't handle. : ) |
Speaking of unnerving and maybe a little discouraging........The following is an account of my flying experience, and I hope it isn't an omen. I finally had the money, time, and blessing from my wife to fulfill the lifelong dream of taking flying lessons. I was standing at the counter in the FBO counting out 100 dollar bills to the instructor sealing the deal, not believing this was actually going to happen after all these years. I remembered my neighbor taking me for my first ride at 7 in his '46 C-140 and being hopelessly addicted ever since. I was taking it all in when I saw, through the picture window behind the instructor, a Cherokee crash while trying to return to the runway after the engine quit. No one hurt, I shrugged it off and began my lessons. I soloed on Sept. 10th, 2001. After flight operations could be resumed and I had lots of remedial dual, I soloed again weeks later. Three days after that, I was thrown from a horse and was out with a broken arm and lots of surgery for five months. A cast from my shoulder to the wrist between surgeries made flying impossible. I got back in the saddle again, both on horses and in the air, and soloed once more. On my third first solo, the engine quit in the Warrior I was flying as I turned final. Luckily, I was a little high and my instructor was a guy that strongly believed in making me fly in strong, gusty, crosswinds and made sure I was intimate with side and forward slips to a landing. Nothing broken, airplane just quit, I never found out why, because the next day the instructor, his airplanes, and my money was gone, never to be heard from again. The next week, I had to relocate after being laid off of my job. After the typical pains of re-establishment in a new town, getting caught up financially from the lay off, and dealing with an unexpected medical problem that wife had, I am finally looking for an instructor again. I have lots of hours, both dual and solo, two student pilot certificates, and charts that are five years old. I do have the receipt for the lesson on the day of my first solo and my first student pilot's certificate. I won't be getting rid of those. I just wish I had the logbook!!
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