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2bpaulk(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:43 am Post subject: E-mail

  I was wondering how many others on this list are having trouble receiving their emails by a server other than G-Mail. Comcast has been intermittent and I am now not receiving them at all.  I have spent several hours on the phone and had several case numbers assigned to no avail. Matt recommended G-mail and I have not had any problems since changing over but would like to keep it all in one server. I am not sure that Comcast even delivered this notice back to this list.

Thanks for any information you can provide.

Bobby

art(at)zemon.name
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:32 am Post subject: E-mail

Bobby,

I ran mailing list servers similar to what the AeroElectric list uses for over 30 years. The problem is that the Matronics server is incorrectly handling the SMTP headers. It is using a technique which was OK a decade ago but is now considered to be spoofing (a polite way of saying "forging") the identity of the sender. Because of this, most email systems consider messages coming from the AeroElectric list to be spam. 

This is what a message looks like in Gmail:

[img]cid:ii_k59mj3gg0[/img]



At least Gmail delivers the messages (most of the time). Comcast is probably dumping them into the spam bucket.

You cannot fix this. The fix has to be done by the folks who run the mailing list server.

    -- Art Z.



On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 6:57 AM Robert Paulk <2bpaulk(at)gmail.com (2bpaulk(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		    I was wondering how many others on this list are having trouble receiving their emails by a server other than G-Mail. Comcast has been intermittent and I am now not receiving them at all.  I have spent several hours on the phone and had several case numbers assigned to no avail. Matt recommended G-mail and I have not had any problems since changing over but would like to keep it all in one server. I am not sure that Comcast even delivered this notice back to this list.

Thanks for any information you can provide.

Bobby 

 	


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https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/Love the stranger for you yourselves were strangers in Egypt. Deut. 10:19

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chaskuss(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:53 am Post subject: E-mail

I'm using Yahoo and I've had no problems

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

 

  	  Quote: 	
		    On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 8:49 AM, Robert Paulk

<2bpaulk(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

    I was wondering how many others on this list are having trouble receiving their emails by a server other than G-Mail. Comcast has been intermittent and I am now not receiving them at all.  I have spent several hours on the phone and had several case numbers assigned to no avail. Matt recommended G-mail and I have not had any problems since changing over but would like to keep it all in one server. I am not sure that Comcast even delivered this notice back to this list.

Thanks for any information you can provide.

Bobby

john(at)tipton.me.uk
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:12 am Post subject: E-mail

That explains why I have to go to my ‘junk’ mail box to collect most of my emails from the forum



John (UK)



Sent from my iPad



     ----x--O--x----

 	  Quote: 	
		  On 11 Jan 2020, at 1:48 pm, Art Zemon <art(at)zemon.name> wrote:



Bobby,

I ran mailing list servers similar to what the AeroElectric list uses for over 30 years. The problem is that the Matronics server is incorrectly handling the SMTP headers. It is using a technique which was OK a decade ago but is now considered to be spoofing (a polite way of saying "forging") the identity of the sender. Because of this, most email systems consider messages coming from the AeroElectric list to be spam. 

This is what a message looks like in Gmail:

<Screenshot 2020-01-11 at 7.25.05 AM.png>





At least Gmail delivers the messages (most of the time). Comcast is probably dumping them into the spam bucket.

You cannot fix this. The fix has to be done by the folks who run the mailing list server.

    -- Art Z.



On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 6:57 AM Robert Paulk <2bpaulk(at)gmail.com (2bpaulk(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		    I was wondering how many others on this list are having trouble receiving their emails by a server other than G-Mail. Comcast has been intermittent and I am now not receiving them at all.  I have spent several hours on the phone and had several case numbers assigned to no avail. Matt recommended G-mail and I have not had any problems since changing over but would like to keep it all in one server. I am not sure that Comcast even delivered this notice back to this list.

Thanks for any information you can provide.

Bobby 

 	


-- 

https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/Love the stranger for you yourselves were strangers in Egypt. Deut. 10:19

ceengland7(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:50 am Post subject: E-mail

I get the list via individual emails       (gmail address), and almost never have issues getting them without       errors. Occasionally, I'll find Matronics emails in my spam/junk       folders, but they'll typically be from a particular thread, so       I've assumed that it was triggered by a subject line that the spam       filters saw as suspicious.

       

       Perhaps the notification emails for those who subscribed through       the forum are the issue? I monitor the Vans Air Force forum, and       that forum's notification emails have triggered gmail's spoofing       filters for *years*.

       

       Charlie

       

       On 1/11/2020 9:10 AM, John M Tipton wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		                That explains why I have to go to my ‘junk’ mail box to collect       most of my emails from the forum       

       

       John (UK)

         

         Sent from my iPad           

           

                ----x--O--x----

         

         

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		  On 11 Jan 2020, at 1:48 pm, Art Zemon             <art(at)zemon.name> (art(at)zemon.name) wrote:

             

                                                                   Bobby,

                 

                 

                 I                   ran mailing list servers similar to what the                   AeroElectric list uses for over 30 years. The problem                   is that the Matronics server is incorrectly handling                   the SMTP headers. It is using a technique which was OK                   a decade ago but is now considered to be spoofing (a                   polite way of saying "forging") the identity of the                   sender. Because of this, most email systems consider                   messages coming from the AeroElectric list to be                   spam. 

                 

                 

                 This                   is what a message looks like in Gmail:

                 

                 

                                                         <Screenshot 2020-01-11 at 7.25.05 AM.png>

                     

                   

                   

                   

                   At least Gmail delivers the messages (most of the                     time). Comcast is probably dumping them into the                     spam bucket.

                   

                   

                   You cannot fix this. The fix has to be done by                     the folks who run the mailing list server.

                   

                   

                       -- Art Z.

                   

                   

                 

               

               

                                On Sat, Jan 11, 2020                   at 6:57 AM Robert Paulk <2bpaulk(at)gmail.com (2bpaulk(at)gmail.com)>                   wrote:

                 

                  	  Quote: 	
		                                            I was wondering how many others on this list                       are having trouble receiving their emails by a                       server other than G-Mail. Comcast has been                       intermittent and I am now not receiving them at                       all.  I have spent several hours on the phone and                       had several case numbers assigned to no avail.                       Matt recommended G-mail and I have not had any                       problems since changing over but would like to                       keep it all in one server. I am not sure that                       Comcast even delivered this notice back to this                       list.

                     Thanks for any information you can provide.

                     Bobby 

                     

                   

                 	
               

                              

               

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/                                                                                        Love the                                               stranger for you                                               yourselves were strangers                                               in Egypt. Deut. 10:19

roughleg(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:36 pm Post subject: E-mail

I have set up a filter in gmail to not put into spam any messages from the aeroelectric list. So they all go into my inbox, but Google sometimes adds a note at the top of a message saying it would have gone into the spam folder except that I had the filter in place to keep it out. It looks like this

[img]cid:ii_k5aa53ig0[/img]



Here's what the filter looks like, if anybody wants to do the same:

[img]cid:ii_k5aaafk91[/img]

and to set it up here is the first step:

[img]cid:ii_k5aab67y2[/img] 



and here is the second:

[img]cid:ii_k5aabg7i3[/img]



On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:56 AM Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		                     I get the list via individual emails       (gmail address), and almost never have issues getting them without       errors. Occasionally, I'll find Matronics emails in my spam/junk       folders, but they'll typically be from a particular thread, so       I've assumed that it was triggered by a subject line that the spam       filters saw as suspicious.

       

       Perhaps the notification emails for those who subscribed through       the forum are the issue? I monitor the Vans Air Force forum, and       that forum's notification emails have triggered gmail's spoofing       filters for *years*.

       

       Charlie

       

       On 1/11/2020 9:10 AM, John M Tipton wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		                That explains why I have to go to my ‘junk’ mail box to collect       most of my emails from the forum       

       

       John (UK)

         

         Sent from my iPad           

           

                ----x--O--x----

         

         

            	  Quote: 	
		  On 11 Jan 2020, at 1:48 pm, Art Zemon             <art(at)zemon.name> (art(at)zemon.name) wrote:

             

                                                                   Bobby,

                 

                 

                 I                   ran mailing list servers similar to what the                   AeroElectric list uses for over 30 years. The problem                   is that the Matronics server is incorrectly handling                   the SMTP headers. It is using a technique which was OK                   a decade ago but is now considered to be spoofing (a                   polite way of saying "forging") the identity of the                   sender. Because of this, most email systems consider                   messages coming from the AeroElectric list to be                   spam. 

                 

                 

                 This                   is what a message looks like in Gmail:

                 

                 

                                                         <Screenshot 2020-01-11 at 7.25.05 AM.png>

                     

                   

                   

                   

                   At least Gmail delivers the messages (most of the                     time). Comcast is probably dumping them into the                     spam bucket.

                   

                   

                   You cannot fix this. The fix has to be done by                     the folks who run the mailing list server.

                   

                   

                       -- Art Z.

                   

                   

                 

               

               

                                On Sat, Jan 11, 2020                   at 6:57 AM Robert Paulk <2bpaulk(at)gmail.com (2bpaulk(at)gmail.com)>                   wrote:

                 

                  	  Quote: 	
		                                            I was wondering how many others on this list                       are having trouble receiving their emails by a                       server other than G-Mail. Comcast has been                       intermittent and I am now not receiving them at                       all.  I have spent several hours on the phone and                       had several case numbers assigned to no avail.                       Matt recommended G-mail and I have not had any                       problems since changing over but would like to                       keep it all in one server. I am not sure that                       Comcast even delivered this notice back to this                       list.

                     Thanks for any information you can provide.

                     Bobby 

                     

                   

                 	
               

                              

               

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/                                                                                        Love the                                               stranger for you                                               yourselves were strangers                                               in Egypt. Deut. 10:19

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ceengland7(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:26 am Post subject: E-mail

I did the same thing for VAF forum *notifications*, and get the same result in the notification emails. But have never had that issue (what Art describes) with individual emails from any Matronics list where I'm a member.

If you communicate with Matt about the problem, be sure to tell him how you read the list.

Charlie

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 7:13 PM Pat Little <roughleg(at)gmail.com (roughleg(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  I have set up a filter in gmail to not put into spam any messages from the aeroelectric list. So they all go into my inbox, but Google sometimes adds a note at the top of a message saying it would have gone into the spam folder except that I had the filter in place to keep it out. It looks like this

[img]cid:ii_k5aa53ig0[/img]



Here's what the filter looks like, if anybody wants to do the same:

[img]cid:ii_k5aaafk91[/img]

and to set it up here is the first step:

[img]cid:ii_k5aab67y2[/img] 



and here is the second:

[img]cid:ii_k5aabg7i3[/img]



On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:56 AM Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		                     I get the list via individual emails       (gmail address), and almost never have issues getting them without       errors. Occasionally, I'll find Matronics emails in my spam/junk       folders, but they'll typically be from a particular thread, so       I've assumed that it was triggered by a subject line that the spam       filters saw as suspicious.

       

       Perhaps the notification emails for those who subscribed through       the forum are the issue? I monitor the Vans Air Force forum, and       that forum's notification emails have triggered gmail's spoofing       filters for *years*.

       

       Charlie

       

       On 1/11/2020 9:10 AM, John M Tipton wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		                That explains why I have to go to my ‘junk’ mail box to collect       most of my emails from the forum       

       

       John (UK)

         

         Sent from my iPad           

           

                ----x--O--x----

         

         

            	  Quote: 	
		  On 11 Jan 2020, at 1:48 pm, Art Zemon             <art(at)zemon.name> (art(at)zemon.name) wrote:

             

                                                                   Bobby,

                 

                 

                 I                   ran mailing list servers similar to what the                   AeroElectric list uses for over 30 years. The problem                   is that the Matronics server is incorrectly handling                   the SMTP headers. It is using a technique which was OK                   a decade ago but is now considered to be spoofing (a                   polite way of saying "forging") the identity of the                   sender. Because of this, most email systems consider                   messages coming from the AeroElectric list to be                   spam. 

                 

                 

                 This                   is what a message looks like in Gmail:

                 

                 

                                                         <Screenshot 2020-01-11 at 7.25.05 AM.png>

                     

                   

                   

                   

                   At least Gmail delivers the messages (most of the                     time). Comcast is probably dumping them into the                     spam bucket.

                   

                   

                   You cannot fix this. The fix has to be done by                     the folks who run the mailing list server.

                   

                   

                       -- Art Z.

                   

                   

                 

               

               

                                On Sat, Jan 11, 2020                   at 6:57 AM Robert Paulk <2bpaulk(at)gmail.com (2bpaulk(at)gmail.com)>                   wrote:

                 

                  	  Quote: 	
		                                            I was wondering how many others on this list                       are having trouble receiving their emails by a                       server other than G-Mail. Comcast has been                       intermittent and I am now not receiving them at                       all.  I have spent several hours on the phone and                       had several case numbers assigned to no avail.                       Matt recommended G-mail and I have not had any                       problems since changing over but would like to                       keep it all in one server. I am not sure that                       Comcast even delivered this notice back to this                       list.

                     Thanks for any information you can provide.

                     Bobby 

                     

                   

                 	
               

                              

               

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/                                                                                        Love the                                               stranger for you                                               yourselves were strangers                                               in Egypt. Deut. 10:19

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2bpaulk(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:49 am Post subject: E-mail

Art



Thanks you very much for the info.

I have since talked to a Comcast representative after e-mailing them my displeasure.

He said the same thing as you, that it was the sender's fault for us not receiving our email.

If you get a chance would you to mention it to Matt and if not to much trouble maybe he could fix it.

Thanks again,

"Analog guy in a digital world"

ceengland7(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:27 am Post subject: E-mail

On 1/12/2020 9:47 AM, Robert Paulk wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Art

 Thanks you very much for the info.

 I have since talked to a Comcast representative after e-mailing them 

 my displeasure.

 He said the same thing as you, that it was the sender's fault for us 

 not receiving our email.

 If you get a chance would you to mention it to Matt and if not to much 

 trouble maybe he could fix it.



 Thanks again,



 "Analog guy in a digital world"

Do I detect a Guy Clark fan?

art(at)zemon.name
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:03 am Post subject: E-mail

I have emailed Matt several times over the last few years about the mailing list servers he runs. He has never replied.



    -- Art Z.



Sent from my phone. Please excuse brevity and bizarre typos.



On Sun, Jan 12, 2020, 10:06 AM Robert Paulk <2bpaulk(at)gmail.com (2bpaulk(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Art



Thanks you very much for the info.

I have since talked to a Comcast representative after e-mailing them my displeasure.

He said the same thing as you, that it was the sender's fault for us not receiving our email.

If you get a chance would you to mention it to Matt and if not to much trouble maybe he could fix it.

Thanks again,

"Analog guy in a digital world"

BobD

Joined: 05 Jan 2016
Posts: 112
Location: Sheffield UK

Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:24 am Post subject: Re: E-mail

Thanks for the suggestions. After reading them, I changed my e-mail address in my profile to a Gmail one, and this appears to work. As stated, I think the original problem is with the Matronics Server, and like many things in IT, the solution I have applied is not a fix, but a workaround.

Just a note of caution for anyone changing their e-mail address on here, be aware that this action locks you out, and you cannot log back in until a "release" e-mail is received from Matronics Admin. My release arrived about 8 hours later, so no big deal, unless you plan to make some immediate posts.

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