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lcottrell
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https://www.columbian.com/news/2020/apr/07/clark-county-sheriffs-office-ids-man-killed-in-plane-crash/
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| Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:12 pm Post subject: crash |
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I don't recall him being on the List.
Bill Sullivan
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On Tuesday, April 7, 2020, 06:24:47 PM EDT, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.columbian.com/news/2020/apr/07/clark-county-sheriffs-office-ids-man-killed-in-plane-crash/
Anybody know this guy?
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jaydub
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| Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:34 pm Post subject: crash |
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[img]cid:04a94369-3e35-4ae4-9237-912079725d7b[/img]I've seen pictures of similar crashes. Is there an issue where the prop or something gets flung from the prop and strikes the boom tube? Other crash photos on the web of kolbs show it kinked there. See the photo from the news article attached.
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lcottrell
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| Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:23 pm Post subject: crash |
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I am not a Crash expert, although I have managed to do so three times so far, but this looks to me like what would result from a stall. Notice how much the nose is crumpled and the plane is in a "lawn Dart" position. The broken boom tube is quite a ways past where the prop would strike, plus the prop is still on the plane, so I doubt that the prop was involved in the accident at all, perhaps other than running at the time. The original picture shows the runway about 2-3 hundred yards behind the plane.
However it is perhaps foolish to second guess anyone much less this poor guy.
I once stalled about 50 feet above my runway trying to master slow flight. I looked away for a second and the plane dropped nose down, as I watched my ASI go past 30 MPH the wrong direction. I was in a steep angle descent when I punched the throttle full forward. It of course took a looong time to spool up, but I managed to get it into a close to level attitude before impact but I still hit one gear leg hard enough to break off the axle of my right gear leg, and bury the gear leg all the way up to the bottom of the cage. I blame the VG's for my survival.
Larry
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rascaljohn
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| Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:43 pm Post subject: crash |
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I had a bad landing ( FS ll ) that resulted in a broken boom tube at the same place shown in the photo-The H-section ends where the break is. Maybe the H-section could be longer...but I would expect that the boom would still be destroyed, just further aft.
I also had damage to the fuselage sleeve that accepts the gear leg.
Any design ideas for a J-3 type of bungee shock absorber? Fuselage would really need reviewing.
John Fitt
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On Apr 7, 2020, at 5:21 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | I am not a Crash expert, although I have managed to do so three times so far, but this looks to me like what would result from a stall. Notice how much the nose is crumpled and the plane is in a "lawn Dart" position. The broken boom tube is quite a ways past where the prop would strike, plus the prop is still on the plane, so I doubt that the prop was involved in the accident at all, perhaps other than running at the time. The original picture shows the runway about 2-3 hundred yards behind the plane.
However it is perhaps foolish to second guess anyone much less this poor guy.
I once stalled about 50 feet above my runway trying to master slow flight. I looked away for a second and the plane dropped nose down, as I watched my ASI go past 30 MPH the wrong direction. I was in a steep angle descent when I punched the throttle full forward. It of course took a looong time to spool up, but I managed to get it into a close to level attitude before impact but I still hit one gear leg hard enough to break off the axle of my right gear leg, and bury the gear leg all the way up to the bottom of the cage. I blame the VG's for my survival.
Larry
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brubakermal(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:25 am Post subject: crash |
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that is too bad . i loved my kolb KXP 447 like a wise man once told me . "keep it out of the dirt and you will be a richer man for it"
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[img]cid:AN6wX0UA3D4g8FX1h1E9[/img]I've seen pictures of similar crashes. Is there an issue where the prop or something gets flung from the prop and strikes the boom tube? Other crash photos on the web of kolbs show it kinked there. See the photo from the news article attached.
Jay
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rickofudall
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John, take a look at the gear on John Hauck's Mk III. Yes it takes some
major mods to do it, but it can be done. The other way you might consider
is the Grove style bent aluminum gear. That would be much easier to
install.
Rick
On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:46 PM John Fitt <jpfitt(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
[quote] I had a bad landing ( FS ll ) that resulted in a broken boom tube at the
same place shown in the photo-
The H-section ends where the break is. Maybe the H-section could be
longer...but I would expect that the boom would still be destroyed, just
further aft.
I also had damage to the fuselage sleeve that accepts the gear leg.
Any design ideas for a J-3 type of bungee shock absorber? Fuselage would
really need reviewing.
John Fitt
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 7, 2020, at 5:21 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
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I am not a Crash expert, although I have managed to do so three times so
far, but this looks to me like what would result from a stall. Notice how
much the nose is crumpled and the plane is in a "lawn Dart" position. The
broken boom tube is quite a ways past where the prop would strike, plus the
prop is still on the plane, so I doubt that the prop was involved in the
accident at all, perhaps other than running at the time. The original
picture shows the runway about 2-3 hundred yards behind the plane.
However it is perhaps foolish to second guess anyone much less this poor
guy.
I once stalled about 50 feet above my runway trying to master slow flight
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rascaljohn
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Well... I got the bent aluminum gear alright.
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On Apr 9, 2020, at 5:00 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | John, take a look at the gear on John Hauck's Mk III. Yes it takes some major mods to do it, but it can be done. The other way you might consider is the Grove style bent aluminum gear. That would be much easier to install.
Rick
On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:46 PM John Fitt <jpfitt(at)sbcglobal.net (jpfitt(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | I had a bad landing ( FS ll ) that resulted in a broken boom tube at the same place shown in the photo-The H-section ends where the break is. Maybe the H-section could be longer..but I would expect that the boom would still be destroyed, just further aft.
I also had damage to the fuselage sleeve that accepts the gear leg.
Any design ideas for a J-3 type of bungee shock absorber? Fuselage would really need reviewing.
John Fitt
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 7, 2020, at 5:21 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | I am not a Crash expert, although I have managed to do so three times so far, but this looks to me like what would result from a stall. Notice how much the nose is crumpled and the plane is in a "lawn Dart" position. The broken boom tube is quite a ways past where the prop would strike, plus the prop is still on the plane, so I doubt that the prop was involved in the accident at all, perhaps other than running at the time. The original picture shows the runway about 2-3 hundred yards behind the plane.
However it is perhaps foolish to second guess anyone much less this poor guy.
I once stalled about 50 feet above my runway trying to master slow flight. I looked away for a second and the plane dropped nose down, as I watched my ASI go past 30 MPH the wrong direction. I was in a steep angle descent when I punched the throttle full forward. It of course took a looong time to spool up, but I managed to get it into a close to level attitude before impact but I still hit one gear leg hard enough to break off the axle of my right gear leg, and bury the gear leg all the way up to the bottom of the cage. I blame the VG's for my survival.
Larry
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