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Rocketman

Joined: 07 Sep 2010
Posts: 87
Location: USA, Earth

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:18 am Post subject: IFR certification

Good morning all,



I'm wondering if someone out there has any information on certifying the 

Europa for IFR flight (in the USA).  Is there a statement in the 

operating limitations that might mention this?  I've a person interested 

in my bird who is asking about it.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Thank You,



-- 

Jeff

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h&jeuropa

Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 645

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: IFR certification

Jeff,



You don't actually certify for IFR flight.  Per the operating limitations it must be equipped in accordance with FAR 91.205 for instrument or night flight.  



There you will learn that for IFR you must have:  Radios/Nav equipment suitable for the route, gyroscopic rate of turn indcator, slip skid indicator, clock, gyroscopic pitch & bank indicator and gyroscopic direction indicator.  In addition, static pitot, altimiter and encoder  certification and transponder certification every 24 months.



If you have a GPS navigator (GNS 430 or similar) the database must be updated every 28 days.



If you don't have a GPS navigator (even handheld GPS are usually certified for enroute ifr), you can still fly ifr but you can't fly GPS approaches, you are limited to VOR or ILS approaches.



Jim

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ken carp

Joined: 31 Oct 2008
Posts: 29
Location: Knoxville, TN

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:01 pm Post subject: IFR certification

I think IFR certified requires a heated pitot also.



Sent from my iPad

Ken Carpenter



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		   On Jun 11, 2020, at 4:43 PM, h&amp;jeuropa <butcher43(at)att.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 Jeff,

 

 You don't actually certify for IFR flight.  Per the operating limitations it must be equipped in accordance with FAR 91.205 for instrument or night flight.  

 

 There you will learn that for IFR you must have:  Radios/Nav equipment suitable for the route, gyroscopic rate of turn indcator, slip skid indicator, clock, gyroscopic pitch & bank indicator and gyroscopic direction indicator.  In addition, static pitot, altimiter and encoder  certification and transponder certification every 24 months.

 

 If you have a GPS navigator (GNS 430 or similar) the database must be updated every 28 days.

 

 If you don't have a GPS navigator (even handheld GPS are usually certified for enroute ifr), you can still fly ifr but you can't fly GPS approaches, you are limited to VOR or ILS approaches.

 

 Jim

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=496779#496779

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ken carpenter

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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:15 pm Post subject: IFR certification

..and thus I expect a second alternator such as the BNC or now the EdgePerformance rear mount.



Cheers,

Pete



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		   On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Ken Carpenter <kbcarpenter(at)comcast.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 I think IFR certified requires a heated pitot also.

 

 Sent from my iPad

 Ken Carpenter

 

> On Jun 11, 2020, at 4:43 PM, h&amp;jeuropa <butcher43(at)att.net> wrote:

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> 

> 

> Jeff,

> 

> You don't actually certify for IFR flight.  Per the operating limitations it must be equipped in accordance with FAR 91.205 for instrument or night flight.  

> 

> There you will learn that for IFR you must have:  Radios/Nav equipment suitable for the route, gyroscopic rate of turn indcator, slip skid indicator, clock, gyroscopic pitch & bank indicator and gyroscopic direction indicator.  In addition, static pitot, altimiter and encoder  certification and transponder certification every 24 months.

> 

> If you have a GPS navigator (GNS 430 or similar) the database must be updated every 28 days.

> 

> If you don't have a GPS navigator (even handheld GPS are usually certified for enroute ifr), you can still fly ifr but you can't fly GPS approaches, you are limited to VOR or ILS approaches.

> 

> Jim

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Read this topic online here:

> 

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=496779#496779

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

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Rocketman

Joined: 07 Sep 2010
Posts: 87
Location: USA, Earth

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:18 pm Post subject: IFR certification

I am amazed at the knowledge on his list.  Thanks to all who have 

contacted me concerning IFR flight.  You've managed to make it all 

clear... 



Jeff

On 6/11/2020 3:39 PM, h&amp;jeuropa wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Jeff,

 

 You don't actually certify for IFR flight.  Per the operating limitations it must be equipped in accordance with FAR 91.205 for instrument or night flight.

 

 There you will learn that for IFR you must have:  Radios/Nav equipment suitable for the route, gyroscopic rate of turn indcator, slip skid indicator, clock, gyroscopic pitch & bank indicator and gyroscopic direction indicator.  In addition, static pitot, altimiter and encoder  certification and transponder certification every 24 months.

 

 If you have a GPS navigator (GNS 430 or similar) the database must be updated every 28 days.

 

 If you don't have a GPS navigator (even handheld GPS are usually certified for enroute ifr), you can still fly ifr but you can't fly GPS approaches, you are limited to VOR or ILS approaches.

 

 Jim

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=496779#496779

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h&jeuropa

Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 645

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: IFR certification

Jeff,



There is no requirement for heated pitot.  But it is probably a good idea.



Jim

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