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meat_ball

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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:44 am Post subject: Landing and Taxi lights wig wag

Hello all again.  



I want to install AeroLeds Aerosun landing and taxi lights.  Two lights total, one will be oriented for taxi attitude and one slightly higher orientation for the landing light attitude on my tail dragger.  That said, my thoughts, since these lights have a built in wig-wag function, are to do just that.  However, I cannot figure out how to wire it.



According to the install guide for the lights, it says to have 2 switches.  One for the landing lights, and one for the wig wag function, which is fine if you are using both lights as landing lights.  Since I want one light as a landing light and one as a taxi light, but use both for the wig-wag function, how does that work switch-wise?  One switch as OFF-Taxi-Both, and the other wig-wag? There isn't enough information to know if when the wig-wag is "ON" the other switch is bypassed?  Am I thinking along the right lines?  Better way to do this?



Any help?  I've attached the install manual wiring diagram...



Thanks so much!



Rob

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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:03 am Post subject: Landing and Taxi lights wig wag

Hello Rob, I think you are overthinking it. By all means aim them differently so that you have the best lighting for both landing and taxi, and using the wig wag function is better than not using the wig wag function regardless of which way they are aiming, but why not just wire it exactly as per that drawing? Are you ever going to need to turn off just one light?



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 Hello all again.  

 

 I want to install AeroLeds Aerosun landing and taxi lights.  Two lights total, one will be oriented for taxi attitude and one slightly higher orientation for the landing light attitude on my tail dragger.  That said, my thoughts, since these lights have a built in wig-wag function, are to do just that.  However, I cannot figure out how to wire it.

 

 According to the install guide for the lights, it says to have 2 switches.  One for the landing lights, and one for the wig wag function, which is fine if you are using both lights as landing lights.  Since I want one light as a landing light and one as a taxi light, but use both for the wig-wag function, how does that work switch-wise?  One switch as OFF-Taxi-Both, and the other wig-wag? There isn't enough information to know if when the wig-wag is "ON" the other switch is bypassed?  Am I thinking along the right lines?  Better way to do this?

 

 Any help?  I've attached the install manual wiring diagram...

 

 Thanks so much!

 

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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:27 am Post subject: Re: Landing and Taxi lights wig wag

 	  cluros(at)gmail.com wrote: 	
		  Hello Rob, I think you are overthinking it. By all means aim them differently so that you have the best lighting for both landing and taxi, and using the wig wag function is better than not using the wig wag function regardless of which way they are aiming, but why not just wire it exactly as per that drawing? Are you ever going to need to turn off just one light?

	




Well, I thought of that as well, and thanks for the response! I am quite sensitive, because of my real job, to people blinding each other during night taxi ops. I feel it’s quite unneighborly and don’t want to be in that position. Great point though...I’ll have to think on it a bit more.  In either case, I’d like to know if it would be possible to do what I’m asking.

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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:59 am Post subject: Landing and Taxi lights wig wag

Install a separate switch for each red wire.

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 > Hello Rob, I think you are overthinking it. By all means aim them differently so that you have the best lighting for both landing and taxi, and using the wig wag function is better than not using the wig wag function regardless of which way they are aiming, but why not just wire it exactly as per that drawing? Are you ever going to need to turn off just one light?

 > 

 Well, I thought of that as well, and thanks for the response! I am quite sensitive, because of my real job, to people blinding each other during night taxi ops. I feel it’s quite unneighborly and don’t want to be in that position. Great point though...I’ll have to think on it a bit more.  Perhaps I’m still overthinking it, but in either case, I’d like to know if it would be possible to do what I’m asking.

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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:40 am Post subject: Landing and Taxi lights wig wag

Here's figure 5.3, but with the center lights and optional diode removed.  I think that's what you're after.

5.2 would give you two landing lights that wig-wag.  Not quite the same.

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 Hello all again.  

 

 I want to install AeroLeds Aerosun landing and taxi lights.  Two lights total, one will be oriented for taxi attitude and one slightly higher orientation for the landing light attitude on my tail dragger.  That said, my thoughts, since these lights have a built in wig-wag function, are to do just that.  However, I cannot figure out how to wire it.

 

 According to the install guide for the lights, it says to have 2 switches.  One for the landing lights, and one for the wig wag function, which is fine if you are using both lights as landing lights.  Since I want one light as a landing light and one as a taxi light, but use both for the wig-wag function, how does that work switch-wise?  One switch as OFF-Taxi-Both, and the other wig-wag? There isn't enough information to know if when the wig-wag is "ON" the other switch is bypassed?  Am I thinking along the right lines?  Better way to do this?

 

 Any help?  I've attached the install manual wiring diagram...

 

 Thanks so much!

 

 Rob

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=498434#498434

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Landing and Taxi lights wig wag

Hi Rob I just did exactly what you want. I used 3 switches. I checked with AeroLED and you can't hurt anything no matter how many switches you have on at once. Just Wig Wag will Wig Wag. Landing on and Wig Wag will Wig Wag. Taxi on and Wig Wag on will Wig Wag. Both Landing and Taxi on and Wig Wag on will Wig Wag. Note when turning on Wig Wag both LEDs will light together for a short time at the same time. I have a an Aerosun Landing and Microsun Taxi. I'm using 7 1/2 amp fuse for Wig Wag, 4 amp Aerosun and 3 amp for Microsun. I have mine located within a few inches of each other. Ron P.

meat_ball

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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: Landing and Taxi lights wig wag

 	  Dave Saylor wrote: 	
		  Here's figure 5.3, but with the center lights and optional diode removed.  I think that's what you're after.

5.2 would give you two landing lights that wig-wag.  Not quite the same.



	




Much obliged, Dave! I didn’t think to use that diagram because it had too many lights on it...haha. I need to think out of the box I guess.

meat_ball

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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: Landing and Taxi lights wig wag

 	  rparigoris wrote: 	
		  Hi Rob I just did exactly what you want. I used 3 switches. I checked with AeroLED and you can't hurt anything no matter how many switches you have on at once. Just Wig Wag will Wig Wag. Landing on and Wig Wag will Wig Wag. Taxi on and Wig Wag on will Wig Wag. Both Landing and Taxi on and Wig Wag on will Wig Wag. Note when turning on Wig Wag both LEDs will light together for a short time at the same time. I have a an Aerosun Landing and Microsun Taxi. I'm using 7 1/2 amp fuse for Wig Wag, 4 amp Aerosun and 3 amp for Microsun. I have mine located within a few inches of each other. Ron P. 	




Sound good Ron! Thanks so much. That’s the info I was looking for. 



Since that’s the circuitry for the wig-wag, I suppose it wouldn’t be difficult to combine the landing and taxi circuits onto one double throw switch...you agree? I’m trying to minimize my panel layout...

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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:43 pm Post subject: Landing and Taxi lights wig wag

Rob,

I did essentially the same thing you describe with a pair of AeroSun lamps. The only difference is that I just turned them both on all of the time. I want to be seen. I really don't care whether my taxi light is on when I am landing. I want all of the lights on.

Here is my wiring diagram. (The AeroLEDs diagram is included on the lower, left corner of the page.)



[img]https://drive-thirdparty.googleusercontent.com/16/type/application/pdf[/img] landing taxi lights.pdf

BTW, I think that you will be delighted with how bright these are. I have had multiple people come up to me on the ramp and say stuff like, "Whoa! You are super bright and easy to see!" I never got around to aiming the lights very carefully and they still illuminate the ramp quite well.

Cheers,

    -- Art Z.

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 Hello all again.  

 

 I want to install AeroLeds Aerosun landing and taxi lights.  Two lights total, one will be oriented for taxi attitude and one slightly higher orientation for the landing light attitude on my tail dragger.  That said, my thoughts, since these lights have a built in wig-wag function, are to do just that.  However, I cannot figure out how to wire it.

 

 According to the install guide for the lights, it says to have 2 switches.  One for the landing lights, and one for the wig wag function, which is fine if you are using both lights as landing lights.  Since I want one light as a landing light and one as a taxi light, but use both for the wig-wag function, how does that work switch-wise?  One switch as OFF-Taxi-Both, and the other wig-wag? There isn't enough information to know if when the wig-wag is "ON" the other switch is bypassed?  Am I thinking along the right lines?  Better way to do this?

 

 Any help?  I've attached the install manual wiring diagram... 	


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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:55 pm Post subject: Landing and Taxi lights wig wag

Rob,

That makes perfect sense. For that reason, I have my strobes on a separate switch and when I am taxiing toward someone at night, I turn off my landing/taxi lights (unless I really need them). 99% of my flying is during the day, though, so I just leave them on wig-wag all the time.

    -- Art Z.

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 > Hello Rob, I think you are overthinking it. By all means aim them differently so that you have the best lighting for both landing and taxi, and using the wig wag function is better than not using the wig wag function regardless of which way they are aiming, but why not just wire it exactly as per that drawing? Are you ever going to need to turn off just one light?

 > 

 Well, I thought of that as well, and thanks for the response! I am quite sensitive, because of my real job, to people blinding each other during night taxi ops. I feel it’s quite unneighborly and don’t want to be in that position. Great point though...I’ll have to think on it a bit more.  Perhaps I’m still overthinking it, but in either case, I’d like to know if it would be possible to do what I’m asking.

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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:41 am Post subject: Re: Landing and Taxi lights wig wag

 	  art(at)zemon.name wrote: 	
		  Rob,

I did essentially the same thing you describe with a pair of AeroSun lamps. The only difference is that I just turned them both on all of the time. I want to be seen. I really don't care whether my taxi light is on when I am landing. I want all of the lights on.

Here is my wiring diagram. (The AeroLEDs diagram is included on the lower, left corner of the page.)



[img]https://drive-thirdparty.googleusercontent.com/16/type/application/pdf[/img] landing taxi lights.pdf

BTW, I think that you will be delighted with how bright these are. I have had multiple people come up to me on the ramp and say stuff like, "Whoa! You are super bright and easy to see!" I never got around to aiming the lights very carefully and they still illuminate the ramp quite well.

Cheers,

    -- Art Z.

	




Art, thanks for the response. All makes perfect sense!  I am of the same opinion when landing...I will have the airplane lit up with both lights as I want to be seen!  If I look like an Airbus A300 on final to 1500 ft grass strip, then that's all the better!!



 I have a question about your wiring diagram.  You have a green circle around Positions 4, 5, 6 in 2 different places on the upper right.  Will you explain what those are depicting as I am not familiar with that symbology?

rparigoris

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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Landing and Taxi lights wig wag

Hi Rob I think using 1 switch for both Taxi and Landing LED should be fine. I suggest you try it, could do a temporary on bench or in situation test. Because you are not wanting to control LEDs individual, you could get away with 1 power fuse. Measure amperage draw during your test. Ron

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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:47 pm Post subject: Landing and Taxi lights wig wag

Rob,

I used a DB-25 connector at each wing root. I made up that symbology to document which pins were used by each wire. There might be some official way to do it but that worked for me and was easy to draw.

    -- Art Z.

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		  Art, thanks for the response. All makes perfect sense!  I have a question about your wiring diagram.  You have a green circle around Positions 4, 5, 6 in 2 different places on the upper right.  Will you explain what those are depicting as I am not familiar with that symbology?

	
 



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