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jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com
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 Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:26 am Post subject: Polytone over old polytone with carnauba. New question |
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Hi All:
In one of the e-mails on this topic, somebody
mentioned a product that must be applied to the old
paint before applying the new paint in order to get an
appropriate blend. In that e-mail, it was mentioned
that, if this product is not used, the new paint would
eventually peel of. Maybe my wording is not correct,
but this is the idea.
Could you tell me which is the product? Would it work
with clear paint applied to dacron? I'm sorry I lost
the originally posted information.
Thanks
Jose
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msm_9949(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:00 am Post subject: Polytone over old polytone with carnauba. New question |
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Hi Jose.
I recall those products to be poly fiber 2200 (paint remover) and 2210 (metal-sol).
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"Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
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Hi All:
In one of the e-mails on this topic, somebody
mentioned a product that must be applied to the old
paint before applying the new paint in order to get an
appropriate blend. In that e-mail, it was mentioned
that, if this product is not used, the new paint would
eventually peel of. Maybe my wording is not correct,
but this is the idea.
Could you tell me which is the product? Would it work
with clear paint applied to dacron? I'm sorry I lost
the originally posted
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ddsyverson(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject: Polytone over old polytone with carnauba. New question |
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Jose,
I think I can figure out what you are looking for - the Poly Fiber product I
believe you are talking about is the RJ Rejuvinator. The purpose of this
product is to allow the old and new paint to become sufficiently intimate
that they never want to separate - it basically softens up the old polytone
so the the new paint will adhere to the old layer.
One of the first things I got when starting on my project (since I was going
to use the polyfiber system) was the Polyfiber procedures manual #1, edition
20 - all of the products are described as well as the procedures to use them.
Best $20 I ever spent for the covering part of the project. For a plus, the
book is written in a style that makes it easy to understand - no secret
codes.
Sincerely,
Dave S.
St Paul, MN
Model 7 Trigear
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On Wednesday 26 July 2006 8:24 am, Jose M. Toro wrote:
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Hi All:
In one of the e-mails on this topic, somebody
mentioned a product that must be applied to the old
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jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:17 pm Post subject: Polytone over old polytone with carnauba. New question |
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Dave:
Would this work on dupont urethane clear paint applied
over dacron?
Jose
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<ddsyverson(at)comcast.net>
Jose,
I think I can figure out what you are looking for -
the Poly Fiber product I
believe you are talking about is the RJ Rejuvinator.
The purpose of this
product is to allow the old and new paint to become
sufficiently intimate
that they never want to separate - it basically
softens up the old polytone
so the the new paint will adhere to the old layer.
One of the first things I got when starting on my
project (since I was going
to use the polyfiber system) was the Polyfiber
procedures manual #1, edition
20 - all of the products are described as well as
the procedures to use them.
Best $20 I ever spent for the covering part of the
project. For a plus, the
book is written in a style that makes it easy to
understand - no secret
codes.
Sincerely,
Dave S.
St Paul, MN
Model 7 Trigear
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On Wednesday 26 July 2006 8:24 am, Jose M. Toro
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<jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com>
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> Hi All:
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> In one of the e-mails on this topic, somebody
> mentioned a product that must be applied to the
old
> paint
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ddsyverson(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:28 pm Post subject: Polytone over old polytone with carnauba. New question |
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Jose,
only over polytone. Poly tone behaves a lot like lacquer - it is strictly a
solvent carried pigment/binder with no polymerization going on - just a
drying out of the solvent resulting in a finish that will dissolve in the
same solvent used in the original paint. Like lacquer, 15 or 20 years of use
results in polytone becoming much harder - that is essentially what the
rejuvenator is all about - something that will get into the old polytone.
Urethane (urethane Clear , aerothane, etc) of any kind will not allow the
solvent penetration, so the rejuvenator will not do anything to the urethane
products, except coat them - urethanes do polymerize after application so the
solvent won't do much.
It is kind of a catch22 - Polytone is easier to work with, but it is not all
that solvent resistant (solvents like gasoline, alcohol, MEK). Aerothane (and
other urethanes) are extremely solvent resistant after they cure, but they
are difficult to work with later.
Just a guess, based on my experience with auto paints (urethanes, enamels), if
you have urethane on top, it will be necessary to create enough "tooth" in
the surface by sanding (Usually water sanding with wet or dry sandpaper of
320-400 grit) The sanded urethane essentially becomes your base on which you
can apply a new layer of paint.
It sounds like you may have a non-standard finish. I am asssuming there is
something between the clear and the dacron. On thing a person has to watch
out for is getting too many layers over the fabric as this can result in the
paint cracking.
Good luck with your project,
Sincerely,
Dave S
St Paul, MN
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On Wednesday 26 July 2006 7:15 pm, Jose M. Toro wrote:
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Dave:
Would this work on dupont urethane clear paint applied
over dacron?
Jose
--- Dave and Diane <ddsyverson(at)comcast.net> wrote:
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> Jose,
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> I think I can figure out what you are looking for -
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject: Polytone over old polytone with carnauba. New question |
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Dave, And List,
What are your thoughts about Polytone over Aerothane if it is sanded heavily
with wet dry?
Lloyd
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FLIER(at)sbcglobal.net
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| Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:29 am Post subject: Polytone over old polytone with carnauba. New question |
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Won't adhere by itself. Likely have to go with the
light wet epoxy primer coat then the polytone...
Regards,
Ted
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Dave, And List,
What are your thoughts about Polytone over Aerothane
if it is sanded heavily
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