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MJKTuck(at)cs.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 6:27 pm Post subject: No charge lamp stays on

Hi Folks,



Started my 912UL today (first time for 2-3 months) and it started first 

time! However, I noticed that the 12V 'no-charge' lamp (connected to the 

rectifier pins L and C) remained illuminated indicating no charge.



I ran the engine a while to get it up to temp but the lamp stayed on and 

after shut down my battery voltage had dropped below 11.5V. so it is 

definitely is not being charged.



I'm sure it could be a number of things from a dodgy rectifier to issues 

with the alternator.



Any pointers as to what to look first at would be appreciated.



Regards,

Martin Tuck

Europa N152MT

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Gilles

Joined: 16 May 2020
Posts: 33

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:05 am Post subject: No charge lamp stays on

Le 14/02/2023 à 03:26, Martin Tuck a       écrit :

     

      	  Quote: 	
		  --> Europa-List message posted by: Martin Tuck           <MJKTuck(at)cs.com> (MJKTuck(at)cs.com)           

           

           Hi Folks,           

           

           Started my 912UL today (first time for 2-3 months) and it           started first time! However, I noticed that the 12V           'no-charge' lamp (connected to the rectifier pins L and C)           remained illuminated indicating no charge.           

           

           I ran the engine a while to get it up to temp but the lamp           stayed on and after shut down my battery voltage had dropped           below 11.5V. so it is definitely is not being charged.           

           

           I'm sure it could be a number of things from a dodgy rectifier           to issues with the alternator.           

           

           Any pointers as to what to look first at would be appreciated.         	
     



          

Hi Martin,     

I'd first check actual voltages with a reliable voltmeter, then       perform a serious check of the wiring and connections.

          

Did your alternator charge before? Did you disconnect/connect anything       since last time you ran the engine with no issues?

          -- 

       Best regards

       Gilles

       http://contrails.free.fr

       http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr

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mjktuck(at)cs.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 8:28 am Post subject: No charge lamp stays on

Thanks Giles,



I haven’t done anything to the aircraft since the last time I flew and all seemed well then. I found a good video on troubleshooting the system on the Rotax Owners site so I’ll be looking to perform those checks and see what might be going on.

Martin



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 	  Quote: 	
		  On Feb 14, 2023, at 5:07 AM, GTH <gilles.thesee(at)free.fr> wrote:



                   Le 14/02/2023 ?? 03:26, Martin Tuck a       ??crit??:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		  --> Europa-List message posted by: Martin Tuck           <MJKTuck(at)cs.com> (MJKTuck(at)cs.com)           

           

           Hi Folks,           

           

           Started my 912UL today (first time for 2-3 months) and it           started first time! However, I noticed that the 12V           'no-charge' lamp (connected to the rectifier pins L and C)           remained illuminated indicating no charge.           

           

           I ran the engine a while to get it up to temp but the lamp           stayed on and after shut down my battery voltage had dropped           below 11.5V. so it is definitely is not being charged.           

           

           I'm sure it could be a number of things from a dodgy rectifier           to issues with the alternator.           

           

           Any pointers as to what to look first at would be appreciated.         	
     



          

Hi Martin,     

I'd first check actual voltages with a reliable voltmeter, then       perform a serious check of the wiring and connections.

          

Did your alternator charge before? Did you disconnect/connect anything       since last time you ran the engine with no issues?

          -- 

       Best regards

       Gilles

       http://contrails.free.fr

       http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr

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Paul M 383

Joined: 19 Mar 2012
Posts: 97
Location: United Kingdom

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:45 am Post subject: No charge lamp stays on

Which video Martin (link or vid ref number)? 

 

 I thought I'd watched them all, but don't recall one on Reg/Rec or charging troubleshooting...!

 

 

 Cheers,

 

 

 Paul M

 G-PLPM

 

 

  -------- Original message --------

 From: Martin Tuck <mjktuck(at)cs.com> 

 Date: 14/02/2023 16:30 (GMT+00:00) 

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com 

 Subject: Re: Europa-List: No charge lamp stays on 

 

 

 

 Thanks Giles, 

 

 I haven’t done anything to the aircraft since the last time I flew and all seemed well then. I found a good video on troubleshooting the system on the Rotax Owners site so I’ll be looking to perform those checks and see what might be going on.

 

 

 Martin

 

 Sent from my iPhone

 

  	  Quote: 	
		  On Feb 14, 2023, at 5:07 AM, GTH <gilles.thesee(at)free.fr> wrote:

 

   Le 14/02/2023 ?? 03:26, Martin Tuck a ??crit??:

 

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> Europa-List message posted by: Martin Tuck <MJKTuck(at)cs.com> (MJKTuck(at)cs.com) 

 

 Hi Folks, 

 

 <Charge lamp issue> 	
 



  

Hi Martin, 

I'd first check actual voltages with a reliable voltmeter, then perform a serious check of the wiring and connections.

  

Did your alternator charge before? Did you disconnect/connect anything  since last time you ran the engine with no issues?

  -- 

 Best regards

 Gilles

 http://contrails.free.fr

 http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr

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wdaniell.longport(at)gmai
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:37 am Post subject: No charge lamp stays on

I had the same issue - Bob Nickolls said that the charge light system in the Ducati regulator is very primitive and not to pay attention.   A reliable voltmeter is required. 

Eventually my charge light went out by itself.  The battery charged just fine while it was on.

William Daniell



LONGPORT



+1 786 878 0246

On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 12:46 PM Paul Mansfield <europaul383(at)hotmail.com (europaul383(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		       Which video Martin (link or vid ref number)? 

 

 I thought I'd watched them all, but don't recall one on Reg/Rec or charging troubleshooting...!

 

 

 Cheers,

 

 

 Paul M

 G-PLPM

 

 

  -------- Original message --------

 From: Martin Tuck <mjktuck(at)cs.com (mjktuck(at)cs.com)> 

 Date: 14/02/2023 16:30 (GMT+00:00) 

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Re: No charge lamp stays on 

 

 

 

 Thanks Giles, 

 

 I haven’t done anything to the aircraft since the last time I flew and all seemed well then. I found a good video on troubleshooting the system on the Rotax Owners site so I’ll be looking to perform those checks and see what might be going on.

 

 

 Martin

 

 Sent from my iPhone

 

  	  Quote: 	
		  On Feb 14, 2023, at 5:07 AM, GTH <gilles.thesee(at)free.fr (gilles.thesee(at)free.fr)> wrote:

 

   Le 14/02/2023 ?? 03:26, Martin Tuck a ??crit??:

 

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> Europa-List message posted by: Martin Tuck <MJKTuck(at)cs.com> (MJKTuck(at)cs.com) 

 

 Hi Folks, 

 

 <Charge lamp issue> 	
 



  

Hi Martin, 

I'd first check actual voltages with a reliable voltmeter, then perform a serious check of the wiring and connections.

  

Did your alternator charge before? Did you disconnect/connect anything  since last time you ran the engine with no issues?

  -- 

 Best regards

 Gilles

 http://contrails.free.fr

 http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr

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Gilles

Joined: 16 May 2020
Posts: 33

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:48 am Post subject: No charge lamp stays on

Le 14/02/2023 à 20:36, William Daniell       a écrit :

     

      	  Quote: 	
		                         I           had the same issue - Bob Nickolls said that the charge light           system in the Ducati regulator is very primitive and not to           pay attention.   A reliable voltmeter is required. 

         Eventually my           charge light went out by itself.  The battery charged just           fine while it was on.

       

     	
     



          

William and all,     

Agreed.     

First measure actual voltages.     

Yes Bob Nuckolls on http://www.aeroelectric.com/ and on the 'List       is key.

          -- 

       Best regards

       Gilles

       http://contrails.free.fr

       http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr

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DuaneFamly

Joined: 16 Jan 2022
Posts: 22
Location: Chandler, AZ

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 12:40 pm Post subject: No charge lamp stays on

I would imagine you can tell if it’s operating properly if your panel voltage reading prior to start is about 12.5volts and with engine running (charging system working properly) you should see about 14.8volts. 



Mike Duane N377EA

Europa XS Conventional Gear



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 	  Quote: 	
		  On Feb 14, 2023, at 12:48 PM, GTH <gilles.thesee(at)free.fr> wrote:



                   Le 14/02/2023 ?? 20:36, William Daniell       a ??crit??:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		                         I           had the same issue - Bob Nickolls said that the charge light           system in the??Ducati regulator??is very??primitive and not to           pay attention.?? ??A reliable voltmeter is required.??

         Eventually??my           charge light went out by itself.?? The??battery charged just           fine while it was on.

       

     	
     



          

William and all,     

Agreed.     

First measure actual voltages.     

Yes Bob Nuckolls on http://www.aeroelectric.com/ and on the 'List       is key.

          -- 

       Best regards

       Gilles

       http://contrails.free.fr

       http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr

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Mike Duane

MJKTuck(at)cs.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:58 pm Post subject: No charge lamp stays on

Hi Paul,

     

     Assuming you are a subscriber to RotaxOwner.com, the video can be     found under Videos: 912 Videos: Charging System Troubleshooting.

     

 https://www.rotax-owner.com/en/videos-topmenu/rotax-minute/404-charging

     

     Regards,

     Martin Tuck

     

     

     On 2/14/2023 11:44 AM, Paul Mansfield       wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		                Which video Martin (link or vid ref number)?       

       

       I thought I'd watched them all, but don't recall         one on Reg/Rec or charging troubleshooting...!

       

       

       Cheers,

       

       

       Paul M

       G-PLPM

       

       

                -------- Original message --------

         From: Martin Tuck <mjktuck(at)cs.com> (mjktuck(at)cs.com) 

         Date: 14/02/2023 16:30 (GMT+00:00) 

         To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com) 

         Subject: Re: No charge lamp stays on 

         

         

       

       Thanks Giles,       

       

       I haven’t done anything to the aircraft since the         last time I flew and all seemed well then. I found a good video         on troubleshooting the system on the Rotax Owners site so I’ll         be looking to perform those checks and see what might be going         on.

       

       

       Martin

         

         Sent from my iPhone

         

            	  Quote: 	
		  On Feb 14, 2023, at 5:07 AM, GTH             <gilles.thesee(at)free.fr> (gilles.thesee(at)free.fr) wrote:

             

                                   Le 14/02/2023 ?? 03:26, Martin               Tuck a ??crit??:

             

              	  Quote: 	
		  --> Europa-List                   message posted by: Martin Tuck                   <MJKTuck(at)cs.com> (MJKTuck(at)cs.com)                   

                   

                   Hi Folks, 

                   

                   <Charge lamp issue> 	
             



                          

Hi Martin,             

I'd first check actual voltages with a reliable               voltmeter, then perform a serious check of the wiring and               connections.

                          

Did your alternator charge before? Did you               disconnect/connect anything                since last time you ran the engine with no issues?

                          -- 

               Best regards

               Gilles

               http://contrails.free.fr

               http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr

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Paul M 383

Joined: 19 Mar 2012
Posts: 97
Location: United Kingdom

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:40 am Post subject: No charge lamp stays on

I am a subscriber, thanks Martin... hadn't seen this one, so a useful addition to the library, thanks! 

 

 P

 

 

  -------- Original message --------

 From: Martin Tuck <MJKTuck(at)cs.com> 

 Date: 15/02/2023 03:01 (GMT+00:00) 

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com 

 Subject: Re: Europa-List: No charge lamp stays on 

 

 

 

 Hi Paul,  Assuming you are a subscriber to RotaxOwner.com, the video can be found under Videos: 912 Videos: Charging System Troubleshooting.  https://www.rotax-owner.com/en/videos-topmenu/rotax-minute/404-charging  Regards, Martin Tuck   On 2/14/2023 11:44 AM, Paul Mansfield wrote:

 

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