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tomhanaway

Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Posts: 111
Location: Murphy, NC

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:47 am Post subject: First post-51% rule-private build w/ QB kit

Hi all,

I'm one of those lurkers that's been thinking about this for three years and am ready to pull the trigger.  I apologize if this has been answered before but my search didn't turn up an answer.

Recent discussion of the 51% rule has raised some concerns. I don't pretend to understand the politics behind it but I read the primary direction as towards commercial/multi-unit builders.



My question is (and perhaps I should mail a letter to Van's also) is:



If I build a RV-10 as follows, will I have stayed within the 51% homebuilt rule?

1 Empennage- build at Alexander Tech Center to learn skills (my work under supervision and guidance).

2. Wings and fuselage-quick build kit by myself

3. engine and avionics-installed myself

4. cabin/seat upholstery-outsourced (if necessary, I could do this but it doesn't excite me).

5. painting-outsourced (I definitely don't have the skills or resources for this).



My intent is to build this for myself. Pleasure of building probably greater than pleasure of flying. Will not be selling plane in any sort of foreseeable future.



Is the consensus that I'm in the clear on this or am I treading dangerously close to not meeting the 51% rule?  Any suggestions for pursuing a definitive answer prior to ordering stages of kit?



Thanks in advance,

Tom Hanaway

Boynton Beach, FL

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:21 am Post subject: First post-51% rule-private build w/ QB kit

I don't see this as a problem for you at all.   Any true, legitimate

builder assist like Alexander Tech Center shouldn't be in violation, and

the fact that you're personally there doing the work is what matters.

I think Van's has official approval of the QB wings and fuse under the

51% rule.  You can check, but I think this will pass.  There's a lot

left undone.



Interior, Panel, and Paint don't even count towards the requirements

at least by the rules that I've heard of...unless something major

just changed.  So those won't be any problem.  I can't remember if

the engine does or doesn't, but you definitely aren't required to

assemble the engine yourself, and considering you're going to install

it yourself, you're fine there too.



So what you're considering seems to be fine.  Unless something

drastic changes, I can't see how you'd have any problem.

Tim

do not achive



tomhanaway wrote:

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 <tomhanaway(at)adelphia.net>

 

 Hi all, I'm one of those lurkers that's been thinking about this for

 three years and am ready to pull the trigger.  I apologize if this

 has been answered before but my search didn't turn up an answer. 

 Recent discussion of the 51% rule has raised some concerns. I don't

 pretend to understand the politics behind it but I read the primary

 direction as towards commercial/multi-unit builders.

 

 My question is (and perhaps I should mail a letter to Van's also) is:

 

 

 If I build a RV-10 as follows, will I have stayed within the 51%

 homebuilt rule? 1 Empennage- build at Alexander Tech Center to learn

 skills (my work under supervision and guidance). 2. Wings and

 fuselage-quick build kit by myself 3. engine and avionics-installed

 myself 4. cabin/seat upholstery-outsourced (if necessary, I could do

 this but it doesn't excite me). 5. painting-outsourced (I definitely

 don't have the skills or resources for this).

 

 My intent is to build this for myself. Pleasure of building probably

 greater than pleasure of flying. Will not be selling plane in any

 sort of foreseeable future.

 

 Is the consensus that I'm in the clear on this or am I treading

 dangerously close to not meeting the 51% rule?  Any suggestions for

 pursuing a definitive answer prior to ordering stages of kit?

 

 Thanks in advance, Tom Hanaway Boynton Beach, FL

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jjessen

Joined: 22 Apr 2006
Posts: 285
Location: OR

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:49 am Post subject: First post-51% rule-private build w/ QB kit

Tom,



As I understand it, but I'm not an authority on the topic, Van's is within

the 51% rule, even if you were to buy all quick build components.  The

paint, upholstery, fire wall forward (engine, etc) and building the panel

are not counted in the 51% rule.  So, as you described what you're up to,

the only question would be Alexander's.  I would check with both Van's and

Alexander's.  I would think that the latter would have taken this into

account when setting up their program.  If it's supervision only, then go

have fun!  My guess is you'll be fine.  



John Jessen

  #40328



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tomhanaway

Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Posts: 111
Location: Murphy, NC

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:19 am Post subject: Re: First post-51% rule-private build w/ QB kit

Thanks for the feedback. Alexander's confirms by telephone and on the website that they meet/observe the 51% standard.  Nice to hear that painting and interior upholstery aren't part of the standard.

Tom H.

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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:20 am Post subject: First post-51% rule-private build w/ QB kit

You are definitely in compliance.  Not even close.  Have fun and go for i.

Gary



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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: First post-51% rule-private build w/ QB kit

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		   the only question would be Alexander's.


	


Builder assistance is certainly within the rule- Alexander's qualify as 

Builder asssitance since the builder isn't assisting them but actually is 

the builder getting the assistance.



Lancair does this for months for their builders (and significantly more 

expensive at that too!)



Tom;

Best of success with this building- you are more than fine.

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