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AMuller589(at)AOL.COM
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:57 am Post subject: why tailwheels

Tail wheels flip over easier on rough or hard surfaces look at the  geometry. Besides being more reliable in getting you home from a long trip a  nose wheel gives better visibillity see the  attached. The only reason tricycle gear was used in early  aircraft is that they were unknown technology. The heavier nosewheel is too  much for very marginal engine power and therefore gives better  performance.

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Richard Rabbers

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Benton Harbor, MI - USA

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: why tailwheels

Not addressing the question but on subject ... here's some impressive to me - tricycle gear .... and more... performance. 



A friend of mine owns a C-182 w/ Peterson Canard Conversion.

I've not seen the plane but heard more about it yesterday.

His plane was part of a presentation at Oshkosh a few years ago.

The design path was originated with a Robinson Wren... then on from there.  I'd guess than many of you are familar with the conversion.

A current model is the 'Bushmaster'.



Maybe we can open the doors and use our hands for the canards:) 



(2 short videos)

http://www.260se.com/video.html



(13 minute video)

http://www.260se.com/images/program.mov



This is out of our (my) leauge but impressive in any case.

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FLIER(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject: why tailwheels

Come fly with us here in TX and we'll take you into 

some fields that will promptly make a nosegear 

retractable (whether it was fixed or not!)  Hard turf 

with a few bumps is all it takes.



My friend's KR2 just went through a conversion from 

nosegear to taildragger for that simple reason.  The 

nosegear was removed by a very experienced test pilot 

around the 8th hour of testing.  Nosegear just won't 

stand up to the punishment.



Many of our friends with tricycles are always 

hesistant going to fly-ins on grass as they're always 

worried about their nosewheels...



BTW, I believe you confused tricycle vs conventional 

gear below...



Regards,



Ted  

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Subject: why tailwheels



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Tail wheels flip over easier on rough or hard 

surfaces look at the  geometry. 
	


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		  Besides being more reliable in getting you home from 

a long trip a  nose 
	


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		  wheel gives better visibillity see the  attached. 

The only reason tricycle gear 
	


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unknown technology. The heavier 
	


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		  nosewheel is too  much for very marginal engine 

power and therefore gives better 
	


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		   performance.

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hflynn46531(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:16 am Post subject: why tailwheels

I suppose that is why they use tailwheel planes exclusively in Alaska for flying into the bush because they flip over easier on rough surfaces.



AMuller589(at)aol.com wrote:   	  Quote: 	
		        Tail wheels flip over easier on rough or hard surfaces look at the geometry. Besides being more reliable in getting you home from a long trip a nose wheel gives better visibillity see the attached. The only reason tricycle gear was used in early aircraft is that they were unknown technology. The heavier nosewheel is too much for very marginal engine power and therefore gives better performance.



	




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kirkhull(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:34 pm Post subject: why tailwheels

From a design point of view a tail wheel is a much stronger gear (as well as lighter)  that is why they are used for bush planes in Alaska where the runways are rough.  A nose wheel is always the week link.  That is why the first thing you do in a soft field takeoff is get the weight off the nose wheel.  As far as hp the F4U was designed to operate from rough island strips carved out of jungle and there for had a tail wheel.  With around 2000HP the weight of a nose wheel has little to do with it.          

From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harold Flynn

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I suppose that is why they use tailwheel planes exclusively in Alaska for flying into the bush because they flip over easier on rough surfaces.

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Tail wheels flip over easier on rough or hard surfaces look at the geometry. Besides being more reliable in getting you home from a long trip a nose wheel gives better visibillity [i]see the attached[/i]. The only reason tricycle gear was used in early aircraft is that they were unknown technology. The heavier nosewheel is too much for very marginal engine power and therefore gives better performance.  

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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject: why tailwheels

The only reason tricycle gear was used in early aircraft is that they were unknown technology? 

WHAT? 

The heavier nosewheel is too much for very marginal engine power and therefore gives better performance???[quote]Do either of these two sentences even make any sense? Both statements are contradictory.[b]

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:18 am Post subject: why tailwheels

I couldn't figure out all that nonsense either, Rex...and what about 

the "getting you home from a long trip"? I just mentally put that whole 

bit into the "round file"...



Lynn

On Saturday, August 19, 2006, at 05:37  PM, Rexster wrote:



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		   The only reason tricycle gear was used in early aircraft is that they 

 were unknown technology?



 WHAT?



 The heavier nosewheel is too much for very marginal engine power and 

 therefore gives better performance???



 Do either of these two sentences even make any sense?



 Both statements are contradictory.

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