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Eric M. Jones
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 Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:59 am Post subject: Definitions: Certified, certificated |
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There has been some confusion over using the terms "Certified" and Certificated" I hope I can clarify this.
Certified: Endorsed by authorities as having met specific requirements or possessing certain qualities; e.g. " Certified Public Accountant", i.e., skilled at altering or destroying documents, ignoring or failing to investigate shell companies created by insiders who grotesquely enriched themselves while hiding mounting corporate debt in "off-balance-sheet companies."; Ignoring knowledgeable whistleblowers and accounting "red flags" that indicate massive fraud is taking place; misleading investors who continued pouring their money into failing companies.
Certifiable: Determined to be insane or non compos mentis; e.g. “I know who I am. No one else knows who I am. If I was a giraffe, and someone said I was a snake, I'd think, no, actually I'm a giraffe.” - Richard Gere
Certificated: A person or object that has been judged to meet certain standards, e.g. “airworthiness” or as in “certificated flight instructor”. The term signifies that a printed official-looking paper (a “ticket”, slang for certificate) is likely somewhere to be found.
Discussion--The FAA is reasonably careful to avoid the word “certify” except in the sense of “swear” or “confirm”. For example:
“…you only have to certify that you have no medical defect…”
“You must certify the application form by reading, answering, signing, and dating….”
“…to certify the record is true and complete.”
Just thought this would help.
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N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:31 am Post subject: Definitions: Certified, certificated |
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But Master Eric, does that mean I'm "certifiable"
if I pay $8,600 for a JPI EDM-900-4 for a
"certified" aircraft, when that same JPI
EDM-900-4 part number is listed at $3,200 if I
install it in an "amateur-built" aircraft? And
if not, does it mean the people who install it in
an "amateur-built" aircraft are getting an
inferior product? Or is this just another case
of "certificated" lawyers and accountants and
other paper-pushers cashing in on $5,400 of free money?
(snicker)
Dave Morris
At 09:59 AM 8/20/2006, you wrote:
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There has been some confusion over using the
terms "Certified" and Certificated" I hope I can clarify this.
Certified: Endorsed by authorities as having met
specific requirements or possessing certain
qualities; e.g. " Certified Public Accountant",
i.e., skilled at altering or destroying
documents, ignoring or failing to investigate
shell companies created by insiders who
grotesquely enriched themselves while hiding
mounting corporate debt in "off-balance-sheet
companies."; Ignoring knowledgeable
whistleblowers and accounting "red flags" that
indicate massive fraud is taking place;
misleading investors who continued pouring their money into failing companies.
Certifiable: Determined to be insane or non
compos mentis; e.g. “I know who I am. No one
else knows who I am. If I was a giraffe, and
someone said I was a snake, I'd think, no,
actually I'm a giraffe.” - Richard Gere
Certificated: A person or object that has been
judged to meet certain standards, e.g.
“airworthiness” or as in “certificated
flight instructor”. The term signifies that a
printed official-looking paper (a “ticket”,
slang for certificate) is likely somewhere to be found.
Discussion--The FAA is reasonably careful to
avoid the word “certify” except in the sense
of “swear” or “confirm”. For example:
“…you only have to certify that you have no medical defect…”
“You must certify the application form by
reading, answering, signing, and dating….”
“…to certify the record is true and complete.”
Just thought this would help.
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Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge, MA 01550
(508) 764-2072
emjones(at)charter.net
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brian
Joined: 02 Jan 2006
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Location: Sacramento, California, USA
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:47 pm Post subject: Definitions: Certified, certificated |
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On Aug 20, 2006, at 8:29 AM, Dave N6030X wrote:
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<N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com>
But Master Eric, does that mean I'm "certifiable" if I pay $8,600
for a JPI EDM-900-4 for a "certified" aircraft, when that same JPI
EDM-900-4 part number is listed at $3,200 if I install it in an
"amateur-built" aircraft? And if not, does it mean the people who
install it in an "amateur-built" aircraft are getting an inferior
product? Or is this just another case of "certificated" lawyers
and accountants and other paper-pushers cashing in on $5,400 of
free money?
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Yes.
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak AT lloyd DOT com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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brian
Joined: 02 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:47 pm Post subject: Definitions: Certified, certificated |
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On Aug 20, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Eric M. Jones wrote:
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<emjones(at)charter.net>
There has been some confusion over using the terms "Certified" and
Certificated" I hope I can clarify this.
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I officially induct you into the International Order of Pedants.
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak AT lloyd DOT com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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