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messydeer

Joined: 13 Feb 2006
Posts: 214
Location: Bellingham, WA

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject: Iridite Wanted to Buy

I'm looking to buy a couple pounds of iridite from somebody. I've used a gallon of Alodine and am just getting started. My research on iridite a few months ago came up with only a few sources. I'd have to buy 10# and pay a lot for shipping. I'm in Bellingham, WA



If that's not possible, maybe you could let me know of some retail sources?



Thanks,

Dan

FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:24 am Post subject: Iridite Wanted to Buy

In a message dated 9/3/06 2:03:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

messydeer(at)yahoo.com writes:



 	  Quote: 	
		   I'm looking to buy a couple pounds of iridite from somebody. I've used a 

 gallon of Alodine and am just getting started. My research on iridite a few 

 months ago came up with only a few sources. I'd have to buy 10# and pay a 

lot 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   for shipping. I'm in Bellingham, WA

  

  If that's not possible, maybe you could let me know of some retail sources?

  

  Thanks,

  Dan

==============================
	


Dan:



POUNDS ! ! ! 



One (1) ounce makes 10 Gallons



I'll check and see if I have any left in powder form.

Barry

"Chop'd Liver"



"Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the third 

time." 

Yamashiada

FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:25 am Post subject: Iridite Wanted to Buy

Dan:



A late PS:



You probably know this already ... But check under Chemical Conversion 

Coating.



Barry

"Chop'd Liver"



"Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the third 

time." 

Yamashiada

messydeer

Joined: 13 Feb 2006
Posts: 214
Location: Bellingham, WA

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:58 am Post subject: Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy

Thanks, Barry!



MacDermid's documentation says to use 0.75 to 2.25 ounces per gallon. 



I look forward to hearing about what you have 



And thanks fot the search tip. Hadn't tried that.



Dan

FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:13 am Post subject: Iridite Wanted to Buy

In a message dated 9/3/06 10:00:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

messydeer(at)yahoo.com writes:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Thanks, Barry!

  

  MacDermid's documentation says to use 0.75 to 2.25 ounces per gallon. 

  

  I look forward to hearing about what you have 

  

  And thanks fot the search tip. Hadn't tried that.

  

  Dan

  

========================
	


Dan:



There are different CLASSes of Chem Film.  They are determined by color and 

time.  You can either use a low concentration say 1 oz for 10 Gal and let tit 

sit for a long time or double it for a shorter time.  One other very important 

factor is TEMPERATURE.  The solution is mixed hot and used warm.  See the 

instructions for temps. Also, DD (Distilled & De-Ionizied) water is best but not 

very practical.  Filter the water if you can, Minerals (Iron, Salt and 

Chlorine) affect the quality of the film.

And...for some crazy reason SUNLIGHT weakens the solution so keep it covered. 

 A dark plastic tarp works.



Barry

"Chop'd Liver"



"Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the third 

time." 

Yamashiada

chaztuna(at)adelphia.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: Iridite Wanted to Buy

Barry,

 Try again. One POUND of Alodine 1201 or Iridite 14-2 will make 10 to 13 gallons of liquid.  I really like making it from the powder, as you can control the strength of the solution. The powder also costs less than $2 per gallon, versus $25 per gallon for the liquid version.

Charlie Kuss

---- FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 In a message dated 9/3/06 2:03:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

 messydeer(at)yahoo.com writes:

 

 > I'm looking to buy a couple pounds of iridite from somebody. I've used a 

 > gallon of Alodine and am just getting started. My research on iridite a few 

 > months ago came up with only a few sources. I'd have to buy 10# and pay a 

 lot 

 > for shipping. I'm in Bellingham, WA

 >  

 >  If that's not possible, maybe you could let me know of some retail sources?

 >  

 >  Thanks,

 >  Dan

 ==============================

 Dan:

 

 POUNDS ! ! ! 

 

 One (1) ounce makes 10 Gallons

 

 I'll check and see if I have any left in powder form.

 

 

 Barry

 "Chop'd Liver"

 

 "Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the third 

 time." 

 Yamashiada

chaztuna(at)adelphia.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:33 am Post subject: Iridite Wanted to Buy

---- messydeer <messydeer(at)yahoo.com> wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Thanks, Barry!

 

 MacDermid's documentation says to use 0.75 to 2.25 ounces per gallon. 

 

 I look forward to hearing about what you have 

 

 And thanks fot the search tip. Hadn't tried that.

 

 Dan


	


Dan & Listers,

 Just an FYI about mixing Alodine or Iridite. Mixing it towards the weak end of the recommended scale, will reduce the solution's storage life, greatly slow the chemical reaction time, plus leave you with more solution to dispose of. 1.5 to 2.25 ounces per gallon works well and will give a storage life (once converted to liquid) of about 2 years.

 Remember that these chemicals are photo chemically reactive. Don't use them outside in the sun light, or store them exposed to light. That will ruin the chemicals. Use them in the shade or in the garage with all the doors and windows open.

Charlie Kuss

messydeer

Joined: 13 Feb 2006
Posts: 214
Location: Bellingham, WA

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:33 am Post subject: Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy

Thanks for the tips, again, Barry.



I had talked with Henkel before using alodine. They had mentioned it could be recycled. What I found was that as I reused the solution, it took a longer dwell time to get the same results. So I ended up adding straight alodine to the recycled solution. So I'd like to be prepared to use solutions on the stronger side to speed up the process, especially since the baths will be tap water cold. I supposed I could use hot water to start with, but it would cool quite a bit anyway before finishing my parts for the day.



Charlie:



Where do you get your powder?



Dan

chaztuna(at)adelphia.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: Iridite Wanted to Buy

---- FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	

 In a message dated 9/3/06 10:00:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

 messydeer(at)yahoo.com writes:

 > Thanks, Barry!

 >  

 >  MacDermid's documentation says to use 0.75 to 2.25 ounces per gallon. 

 >  

 >  I look forward to hearing about what you have 

 >  

 >  And thanks fot the search tip. Hadn't tried that.

 >  

 >  Dan

 >  

 ========================

 Dan:

 There are different CLASSes of Chem Film.  They are determined by color and 

 time.  You can either use a low concentration say 1 oz for 10 Gal and let tit 

 sit for a long time or double it for a shorter time.  One other very important 

 factor is TEMPERATURE.  The solution is mixed hot and used warm.  See the 

 instructions for temps. Also, DD (Distilled & De-Ionizied) water is best but not 

 very practical.  Filter the water if you can, Minerals (Iron, Salt and 

 Chlorine) affect the quality of the film.

 And...for some crazy reason SUNLIGHT weakens the solution so keep it covered. 

  A dark plastic tarp works.

 Barry

 "Chop'd Liver"

Barry,

 One of my friends mixed up a batch of Iridite 14-2 (1 pound to 10 gallons). He used it in his driveway, outside during a 90 degree summer day in S Florida. All his parts turned out great that day. However, the next day, the solution was worthless.  Use this stuff in the shade only. 

Charlie Kuss

chaztuna(at)adelphia.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:01 am Post subject: Iridite Wanted to Buy

---- messydeer <messydeer(at)yahoo.com> wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Thanks for the tips, again, Barry.

 

 I had talked with Henkel before using alodine. They had mentioned it could be recycled. What I found was that as I reused the solution, it took a longer dwell time to get the same results. So I ended up adding straight alodine to the recycled solution. So I'd like to be prepared to use solutions on the stronger side to speed up the process, especially since the baths will be tap water cold. I supposed I could use hot water to start with, but it would cool quite a bit anyway before finishing my parts for the day.

 

 Charlie:

 

 Where do you get your powder?

 

 Dan


	


Dan,

 I live in SE Florida (corrosion capital of the world). I checked with Henkel Corp (makers of Alodine) My nearest distributer was in the Atlanta, Georgia area. I then checked with MacDirmid Corp. They have a distributer about 25 miles from me. 

Allied Plating Supply of Hialeah, (north of Miami). I'll send you more detailed info on them when I get home, later today.

Charlie

cjensen(at)dts9000.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:28 am Post subject: Iridite Wanted to Buy

Need to keep your alodine solution warm?  Use an aquarium heater.  All

the wetted component are plastic or glass.  Buy a 1000w unit and it

should keep your solution warm and with no shock hazard.



Chuck Jensen

 

[quote] --

chaztuna(at)adelphia.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject: Iridite Wanted to Buy

Dan

  This past April I discovered a Canadian company who sells Powdered Alodine in 4oz tubes. This will make 2 to 2.5 gallons of liquid Alodine. Here is a web link to their Canadian & American distributors.



  http://www.endura.ca/adobe/uslist.pdf



  http://www.endura.ca/adobe/canadalist.pdf



 Charlie Kuss

 PS You might ask on the RV List if anyone local to you has some of the powder they would sell. Or ask if a few guys would be willing to split a 10 pound batch. That's how we do it down here.



 

 [quote]--> RV-List message posted by: "messydeer" <messydeer(at)yahoo.com>



 I'm looking to buy a couple pounds of iridite from somebody. I've used a gallon of Alodine and am just getting started. My research on iridite a few months ago came up with only a few sources. I'd have to buy 10# and pay a lot for shipping. I'm in Bellingham, WA



 If that's not possible, maybe you could let me know of some retail sources?



 Thanks,

 Dan



 



 

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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject: Iridite Wanted to Buy

I got my iridite powder from Eldorado Chemical...the chemical cost itself for a can was reasonable but the hazmat shipping charge is what makes it expensive.  If you call them they will have a rep in your area sell it to you. 



http://www.eldoradochem.com/conversion-coatings.htm#Dorado-Kote-1



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On 9/3/06,  messydeer <messydeer(at)yahoo.com (messydeer(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:[quote] --> RV-List message posted by: "messydeer" <messydeer(at)yahoo.com (messydeer(at)yahoo.com)>



Thanks for the tips, again, Barry.



I had talked with Henkel before using alodine. They had mentioned it could be recycled. What I found was that as I reused the solution, it took a longer dwell time to get the same results. So I ended up adding straight alodine to the recycled solution. So I'd like to be prepared to use solutions on the stronger side to speed up the process, especially since the baths will be tap water cold. I supposed I could use hot water to start with, but it would cool quite a bit anyway before finishing my parts for the day.  [quote][b]

sportypilot(at)stx.rr.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:40 pm Post subject: Iridite Wanted to Buy

quick question, if I am only going to spray this only on the outside of my 

rv9a

before primer and paint , how much is needed ?.. and is it needed at all ?

Danny..



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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:34 am Post subject: Iridite Wanted to Buy

I also saw the same effect with the older solution.  I keep it in a 32

gallon Rubbermaid trash can that doubles as the dip tank.  As it

approached 6 months old it was taking forever for it to convert a layer

on the aluminum.  I guessed that it was mainly due to the chemicals

precipitating out and was apparently correct.  I added a couple aquarium

style circulating power heads and it was like new after that.  Going on

1.5 years on the same original batch and completed the majority of parts

on my RV-10.  I also keep it covered and out of direct sunlight.



Michael Sausen

-10 #352 Fuselage



--

Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: Iridite Wanted to Buy

I may have some powdered alodine that I might be willing to part

with.  I'd have to look up my original price to even have a guess

at it's value, but I'm sure I have enough to make a few gallons

anyway.  Contact me off-list if you think you might be interested

and I'll try to figure out what quantity I have.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:

[quote] 

 

   I also saw the same effect with the older solution.  I keep it in a 32

 gallon Rubbermaid trash can that doubles as the dip tank.  As it

 approached 6 months old it was taking forever for it to convert a layer

 on the aluminum.  I guessed that it was mainly due to the chemicals

 precipitating out and was apparently correct.  I added a couple aquarium

 style circulating power heads and it was like new after that.  Going on

 1.5 years on the same original batch and completed the majority of parts

 on my RV-10.  I also keep it covered and out of direct sunlight.

 

 Michael Sausen

 -10 #352 Fuselage

 

 --

vinod.wahi(at)googlemail.
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:36 am Post subject: Iridite Wanted to Buy

Hi Every body,

 This my first mail. I am first time builder, started with 9A emp. Can any one advise me where I can buy alodine powder in Germany.

 Thanks.

 Vini 



 

 2006/9/13, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>: [quote]--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com)>

 

I may have some powdered alodine that I might be willing to part

with.  I'd have to look up my original price to even have a guess

at it's value, but I'm sure I have enough to make a few gallons

anyway.  Contact me off-list if you think you might be interested 

and I'll try to figure out what quantity I have.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:

[quote] --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" < rvbuilder(at)sausen.net (rvbuilder(at)sausen.net)>



   I also saw the same effect with the older solution.  I keep it in a 32

 gallon Rubbermaid trash can that doubles as the dip tank.  As it 

 approached 6 months old it was taking forever for it to convert a layer

 on the aluminum.  I guessed that it was mainly due to the chemicals

 precipitating out and was apparently correct.  I added a couple aquarium 

 style circulating power heads and it was like new after that.  Going on

 1.5 years on the same original batch and completed the majority of parts

 on my RV-10.  I also keep it covered and out of direct sunlight. 



 Michael Sausen

 -10 #352 Fuselage



 --

chaztuna(at)adelphia.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject: Iridite Wanted to Buy

Vini,

 Henkel is a German company. I don't have any contact information for Europe, but here is the web page for the American subsidiary. It contains an email contact link. Perhaps you could either Google to locate the home contain info or you could contact the American subsidiary for information on who to contact in Germany.



http://www.finishing.com/Chemicals/henkel.shtml



You want Alodine 1201, preferably in powdered form.



Charlie Kuss



---- Vinod Wahi <vinod.wahi(at)googlemail.com> wrote: 

[quote] Hi Every body,

 This my first mail. I am first time builder, started with 9A emp. Can any

 one advise me where I can buy alodine powder in Germany.

 Thanks.

 Vini

 

 

 2006/9/13, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>:

 >

 > 

 >

 > I may have some powdered alodine that I might be willing to part

 > with.  I'd have to look up my original price to even have a guess

 > at it's value, but I'm sure I have enough to make a few gallons

 > anyway.  Contact me off-list if you think you might be interested

 > and I'll try to figure out what quantity I have.

 >

 >

 > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 > do not archive

 >

 >

 > RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:

 > > 

 > rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>

 > >

 > >   I also saw the same effect with the older solution.  I keep it in a 32

 > > gallon Rubbermaid trash can that doubles as the dip tank.  As it

 > > approached 6 months old it was taking forever for it to convert a layer

 > > on the aluminum.  I guessed that it was mainly due to the chemicals

 > > precipitating out and was apparently correct.  I added a couple aquarium

 > > style circulating power heads and it was like new after that.  Going on

 > > 1.5 years on the same original batch and completed the majority of parts

 > > on my RV-10.  I also keep it covered and out of direct sunlight.

 > >

 > > Michael Sausen

 > > -10 #352 Fuselage

 > >

 > > --

lsbrv7a(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:42 pm Post subject: Iridite Wanted to Buy

Try 

  http://www.eldoradochem.com/conversion-coatings.htm



Vinod Wahi <vinod.wahi(at)googlemail.com> wrote:

  [quote]  Hi Every body,

  This my first mail. I am first time builder, started with 9A emp. Can any one advise me where I can buy alodine powder in Germany.

  Thanks.

  Vini 



 

  2006/9/13, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>:   [quote]--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com)>



I may have some powdered alodine that I might be willing to part

with.  I'd have to  look up my original price to even have a guess

at it's value, but I'm sure I have enough to make a few gallons

anyway.  Contact me off-list if you think you might be interested 

and I'll try to figure out what quantity I have.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:

[quote] --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" < rvbuilder(at)sausen.net (rvbuilder(at)sausen.net)>



   I also saw the same effect with the older solution.  I keep it in a 32

 gallon Rubbermaid trash can that doubles as the dip tank.  As it 

 approached 6 months old it was taking forever for it to convert a layer

 on the aluminum.  I guessed that it was mainly due to the chemicals

 precipitating out and was apparently correct.  I added a couple aquarium 

 style circulating power heads  and it was like new after that.  Going on

 1.5 years on the same original batch and completed the majority of parts

 on my RV-10.  I also keep it covered and out of direct sunlight. 



 Michael Sausen

 -10 #352 Fuselage



 --

vinod.wahi(at)googlemail.
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:10 am Post subject: Iridite Wanted to Buy

Charlie Thanks for info. I will try to contact Henkel in Germany, You say Alodine 1201 is the product I need.

 Vini



 

 2006/9/14, Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a(at)yahoo.com (lsbrv7a(at)yahoo.com)>: [quote]  Try 

 http://www.eldoradochem.com/conversion-coatings.htm

 



Vinod Wahi <vinod.wahi(at)googlemail.com (vinod.wahi(at)googlemail.com)>  wrote:

 

  	  Quote: 	
		  	


  Hi Every body,

 This my first mail. I am first time builder, started with 9A emp. Can any one advise me where I can buy alodine powder in Germany.

 Thanks.

 Vini 



 

 2006/9/13, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>:  [quote]--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson < Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com)>



I may have some powdered alodine that I might be willing to part

with.  I'd have to look up my original price to even have a guess

at it's value, but I'm sure I have enough to make a few gallons 

anyway.  Contact me off-list if you think you might be interested 

and I'll try to figure out what quantity I have.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" < rvbuilder(at)sausen.net (rvbuilder(at)sausen.net) >



   I also saw the same effect with the older solution.  I keep it in a 32

 gallon Rubbermaid trash can that doubles as the dip tank.  As it 

 approached 6 months old it was taking forever for it to convert a layer 

 on the aluminum.  I guessed that it was mainly due to the chemicals

 precipitating out and was apparently correct.  I added a couple aquarium 

 style circulating power heads and it was like new after that.  Going on 

 1.5 years on the same original batch and completed the majority of parts

 on my RV-10.  I also keep it covered and out of direct sunlight. 



 Michael Sausen

 -10 #352 Fuselage



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