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jeffhudson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 15

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:26 pm Post subject: Scotchbrite pad Question.

Are the green scotchbrite pads you buy at wal-mart the same as the ones you buy from the aircraft supply store?  Thanks Jeff  [quote][b]

Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Scotchbrite pad Question.

[quote="jeffhudson"]Are the green scotchbrite pads you buy at wal-mart the same as the ones you buy from the aircraft supply store?  Thanks Jeff   	  Quote: 	
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Good lord be careful those things will kill you.



DO NOT ARCHIVE              ...or use the wrong color scotchbrite



That's a good question and one I haven't been able to find the answer too in 4 years of building.

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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:09 pm Post subject: Scotchbrite pad Question.

If you get them from the Avaition section of Wal-mart it is ok. If they were found in the households section, they will cause your babies to be born naked.... 

  

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Ben Haas

N801BH

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Kevin Bonds

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 171
Location: Nashville, Tn

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject: Scotchbrite pad Question.

Jeff  

You are going to have a hard time with this one, here on the list. The joke around here is that, all you have to do to ruffle some feathers is mention “green scotch-brite” pads. The short of it is, every time someone asks this question it leads to a flood of posts that do nothing but confuse everyone. The only wise advice I can give you is to be sure that you know what abrasive is in your pad (or sandpaper) AC 43.13 says no Silicon Carbide; no iron oxide; for corrosive reasons. Use only Aluminum Oxide or Garnet as an abrasive mineral. Also, I have found the 3M website and packaging to be notoriously lacking in this sort of information about their products. I have had to call Customer Service on occasion and wait a while for them to hunt the info down for me. I get a blank stare from auto paint shops when I ask them about mineral content. Just know that this is not easily answered.  

   

I’m convinced that, if we ever find Bigfoot, he will be holding a green scotch-brite pad.   

     

Kevin Bonds  

Nashville TN  

601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.  

Empennage done; working on wings and engine.  

http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds  

   

do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE   

     

   

  

        

  

From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hudsonmusic1(at)aol.com

 Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 4:22 PM

 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Scotchbrite pad Question.  

  

   

Are the green scotchbrite pads you buy at wal-mart the same as the ones you buy from the aircraft supply store?  Thanks Jeff   [quote] [b]

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Bill(at)flyinmiata.com
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:41 pm Post subject: Scotchbrite pad Question.

And whatever you do, don't get scotch-brite or any form of  aluminum oxide near an engine. No joke, it only takes a small amount to destroy  an engine. Don't ask how I know...

  

 Bill Cardell (TurboDog's  Dad)

 www.flyinmiata.com

 1-800-FLY-MX5S

 tech 970-242-3800

  



   From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  kevinbonds

Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 7:30 PM

To:  zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Scotchbrite pad  Question.

 

  

Jeff 

You are going to have a  hard time with this one, here on the list. The joke around here is that, all you  have to do to ruffle some feathers is mention “green scotch-brite” pads. The short of it is, every time someone asks  this question it leads to a flood of posts that do nothing but confuse everyone.  The only wise advice I can give you is to be sure that you know what abrasive is  in your pad (or sandpaper) AC 43.13 says no Silicon Carbide; no iron oxide; for  corrosive reasons. Use only  Aluminum Oxide or Garnet as an abrasive mineral. Also, I have found  the 3M website and packaging to be notoriously lacking in this sort of  information about their products. I have had to call Customer Service on  occasion and wait a while for them to hunt the info down for me. I get a blank  stare from auto paint shops when I ask them about mineral content. Just know  that this is not easily answered. 

  

I’m convinced that, if  we ever find Bigfoot, he will be holding a green scotch-brite pad.  

   

Kevin  Bonds 

Nashville TN 

601XL Corvair powered; Plans  building. 

Empennage  done; working on wings and engine. 

http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds 

  

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From:  owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  Hudsonmusic1(at)aol.com

Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 4:22  PM

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Scotchbrite pad  Question.

 

  

Are the green scotchbrite pads you  buy at wal-mart the same as the ones you buy from the aircraft supply  store?  Thanks Jeff [quote] 

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n4546v(at)mindspring.com
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:42 pm Post subject: Scotchbrite pad Question.

"I’m convinced that, if  we ever find Bigfoot, he will be holding a green scotch-brite pad."

  

  

  I'm pretty sure I can  see it in this pic!

  

 I'm sorry, I'm sorry,  I'm sorry

  

 Randy, Las Vegas, Do  not archive

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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject: Scotchbrite pad Question.

Jeff,

         I'll take the  risk of responding to this well intentioned but dangerous question.  Once  upon a time on this list, a source for the desired #7447 Scotch-Bright was  offered, and proved to be excellent. I obtained a box of twenty large pads  promptly and cheap (I don't remember the exact price).  

         WWW.Use-enco.com 

                                                    Lynn

                                                    Corry, PA

                                                    601XL  Corvair   

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randy(at)n344rb.com
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:21 pm Post subject: Scotchbrite pad Question.

No need to be sorry... I believe I see it  too!!

  

  

 Randy

 XL Wings - Plans Only

  

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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:51 pm Post subject: Scotchbrite pad Question.

Also don't get any nuts, bolts or washers near an engine either. It only  takes one to destroy an engine, ever drop the wingnut from an old aftermarket  Ford flathead aircleaner into the carb opening of a running engine ?. NO, well I  didn't either but I did help pull the old engine out & replace it with a new  shortblock. 

 EEGADS.....wingnut, flathead, carburetor, shortblock..... I think I just  dated myself as an old fart.

 Old racer trick:   New rings not seating, pour some Ajax or Comet  in the carb., with it running of course, engine will not last as long BUT the  rings will be seated for the race tonight. Ajax / aluminum oxide  hummmmm.

   KABONG   Do Not Archive   8*)

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randy(at)n344rb.com
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:53 am Post subject: Scotchbrite pad Question.

Yep, after "further enhancements" by the official  crime lab here, the results are clear!

  

 Randy

 XL Wings - Plans Only

  

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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:44 am Post subject: Scotchbrite pad Question.

Bill . . . in what way does the aluminum oxide near an engine destroy 

it? Robert Schoenberger 701 do not archive



Bill Cardell wrote:

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		   And whatever you do, don't get scotch-brite or any form of aluminum 

 oxide near an engine. No joke, it only takes a small amount to destroy 

 an engine. Don't ask how I know...

 Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)

 www.flyinmiata.com <http://www.flyinmiata.com/>

 1-800-FLY-MX5S

 tech 970-242-3800



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 *From:* owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com 

 [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *kevinbonds

 *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 7:30 PM

 *To:* zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* RE: Scotchbrite pad Question.



 Jeff



 You are going to have a hard time with this one, here on the list. The 

 joke around here is that, all you have to do to ruffle some feathers 

 is mention “green scotch-brite” pads. The short of it is, every time 

 someone asks this question it leads to a flood of posts that do 

 nothing but confuse everyone. The only wise advice I can give you is 

 to be sure that you know what abrasive is in your pad (or sandpaper) 

 AC 43.13 says no Silicon Carbide; no iron oxide; for corrosive 

 reasons. Use only Aluminum Oxide or Garnet as an abrasive mineral. 

 Also, I have found the 3M website and packaging to be notoriously 

 lacking in this sort of information about their products. I have had 

 to call Customer Service on occasion and wait a while for them to hunt 

 the info down for me. I get a blank stare from auto paint shops when I 

 ask them about mineral content. Just know that this is not easily 

 answered.



 I’m convinced that, if we ever find Bigfoot, he will be holding a 

 green scotch-brite pad.



 Kevin Bonds



 Nashville TN



 601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.



 Empennage done; working on wings and engine.



 http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds 

 <http://home.comcast.net/%7Ekevinbonds>



 do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE



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 *From:* owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com 

 [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of 

 *Hudsonmusic1(at)aol.com

 *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 4:22 PM

 *To:* zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* Scotchbrite pad Question.



 Are the green scotchbrite pads you buy at wal-mart the same as the 

 ones you buy from the aircraft supply store? Thanks Jeff



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Bill(at)flyinmiata.com
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:38 am Post subject: Scotchbrite pad Question.

Yes, you might seat the rings for the race, but it'll be an  oil burning SOB and the destruction will continue. The oxide lodges in the soft  metals and eats the hard metals. For instance, when you take the pins out of an  oxided engine, the pin bore in the aluminum piston is unworn, the bronze bush in  the rod is unworn, but the hardened steel pin will be a couple thou undersized  after a few hundred miles.

 Not stuff you want near an engine that has to last more  than one night. GM has issued warnings to not use scotchbrite cleaning pads as  they had a bunch of warrantee claims from mechanics cleaning the head and block  surfaces with scotchbrite, followed by ring failure.

 I'm not such a young fart myself and I've seen the  destruction happen. I have a shelf full of parts from it.

  

 

TurboDog's Dad  

Bill Cardell  

www.flyinmiata.com  

1-800-FLY-MX5S 

970-242-3800   



   From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN  STARN

Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:48 PM

To:  zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Scotchbrite pad  Question.

 

 Also don't get any nuts, bolts or washers near an engine either. It only  takes one to destroy an engine, ever drop the wingnut from an old aftermarket  Ford flathead aircleaner into the carb opening of a running engine ?. NO, well I  didn't either but I did help pull the old engine out & replace it with a new  shortblock. 

 EEGADS.....wingnut, flathead, carburetor, shortblock..... I think I just  dated myself as an old fart.

 Old racer trick:   New rings not seating, pour some Ajax or Comet  in the carb., with it running of course, engine will not last as long BUT the  rings will be seated for the race tonight. Ajax / aluminum oxide  hummmmm.

   KABONG   Do Not Archive   8*)

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Bill(at)flyinmiata.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:49 am Post subject: Scotchbrite pad Question.

Sorry, "near" is an exaggeration. The particular examples I'm painfully

aware of are from a cylinder head porter using aluminum oxide to bead

blast intake runners and ports before applying a thermal coating. What

happens is the alu embeds in the aluminum parts and time releases as the

parts heat cycle. Once it's in the intake stream and into the oil, it

eats all the hard parts. Cylinder walls, crank journals, pins, valve

stems, etc.

On one of the engines I was involved with, the pins had 2 thou of wear

after 125 miles. Car had to come back on a flatbed after 125 miles

because it was pumping so much oil it fouled the plugs.

According to GM, Scotchbrite wheels will accomplish the same damage if

used to clean aluminum engine surfaces. The only way to get the stuff

out of the pores of the aluminum is to jet clean and then ultrasonic

cleaning. 

TurboDog's Dad

Bill Cardell

www.flyinmiata.com 

1-800-FLY-MX5S

970-242-3800



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Kevin Bonds

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 171
Location: Nashville, Tn

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject: Scotchbrite pad Question.

Well done. I love it.  

     

Kevin Bonds  

Nashville TN  

601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.  

Empennage done; working on wings and engine.  

http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds  

   

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From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bryant

 Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 8:53 AM

 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Scotchbrite pad Question.  

  

     

Yep, after "further enhancements" by the official crime lab here, the results are clear!  

    

   

    

Randy  

    

XL Wings - Plans Only  

    

   

    

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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject: Scotchbrite pad Question.

Nice job.  See, aviation can be fun if  you don't take everything too serious!

  

 Randy, Las Vegas, do not archive

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   Yep, after "further enhancements" by the official    crime lab here, the results are clear!

    

   Randy

   XL Wings - Plans Only

    

   Do Not Archive

    

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     Subject: Re: Scotchbrite      pad Question.

     



     

     "I’m convinced      that, if we ever find Bigfoot, he will be holding a green scotch-brite pad."

      

      

          I'm pretty sure I      can see it in this pic!

      

     I'm sorry, I'm      sorry, I'm sorry

      

     Randy, Las Vegas,      Do not archive



	
   



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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: Scotchbrite pad Question.

You might try blasting with glass beads instead.  Aluminium reacts with so

many things it can be hard to work with.  When working with Aluminium the

Al-oxide is preferred...  But it is easy to see how it won't like the other

harder metals.  Sounds like the thing to do was to use ultrasonic in the

first place.



Noel



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