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tedwaltman(at)i1ci.com
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:28 am Post subject: Cable routing--quick build wings?

See uploaded picture  in SR-Moose, 106 S/M Wings.

  

 In taking apart one  of my wing leading edge skins, I discovered that the plastic tube that  protects wires as well as my pitot / static tubes was simply zip-tied to all of  the leading edge ribs.  As you can see in the uploaded picture,  after about 230 hours in my plane, the "protective" tube in mine is a short  time away from cutting wires / tubes.  About half of the rib-attachments  show cuts of this magnitude.

  

 I think someone  told me that Moose quick build wings all have their wires / pitot tubes  routed (zip-tied) like this.  Is that true, or am I just lucky?  Seems  that there's a lurking problem out there...

  

 Ted  Waltman

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Chris In Marshfield

Joined: 26 May 2006
Posts: 87

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Cable routing--quick build wings?

Interesting.  I'd not have thought that the vibration could but through the tube like that.  But I reckon it can.



I wonder what would be a prefered method for doing this...  pondering...  Is there a 90-degree clamp designed for this type of situation, I wonder?  Nothing that I saw in the ACS catalog... hmmm...  Perhaps glue/epoxy a rubber/nylon edge piece where the conduit meets the metal?



Best regards,

Chris

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Chris Owens
Waunakee, WI

Chris In Marshfield

Joined: 26 May 2006
Posts: 87

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: Cable routing--quick build wings?

I reckon it would look something like this, now that I've been looking over some other construction photos:



http://tincantimes.dcsol.com/Default6_files/2005_0117_123953AA.jpg



I'll keep this as a mental note for myself when it comes my time 



Best regards,

Chris

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Chris Owens
Waunakee, WI

tedwaltman(at)i1ci.com
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: Cable routing--quick build wings?

Hello Chris,



I believe clamps such as these are the preferred attach method:



http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/ms21919clamps.php



Ted



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Chris In Marshfield

Joined: 26 May 2006
Posts: 87

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Cable routing--quick build wings?

Thanks Ted,



I saw those in the catalog, but I didn't see how they'd make the 90 degree turn.  That's when I ran across the photo mentioned previously that showed a 90 degree bracket attached to the wing framework, then the clamp attached to the bracket.  I thought that maybe there was one with this angle already built in, but I guess not.  Rather simple solution, though 



Thanks again,

Chris

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Chris Owens
Waunakee, WI

ScottA

Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 100
Location: Park City, UT

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:59 am Post subject: Cable routing--quick build wings?

Ted,

 Does it look like there is room to run the conduit down the very leading

edge?  Along the front side of the front spare, just inside the curve?

Seems it couldn't move much at all in there and you wouldn't have to put in

a zillion clamps, however not sure how much room to get wires around the

forward attach fitting.  Maybe jog it back to the other side just before

getting there.

Of course my FB fuselage is just like yours so if the lights stop working

I'll know where to look <grin>.



Scott

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ScottA

Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 100
Location: Park City, UT

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:29 am Post subject: Cable routing--quick build wings?

Ted,  

Did you insert the picture in the matronic’s list or just the rebel list archives?  I didn’t see it here, not sure if you knew that you can now insert (or was it attach?) right into the Matronic’s emails now.   

         

  

From: owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted Waltman

 Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:28 AM

 To: murphymoose-list(at)matronics.com; rebel-builders(at)dcsol.com

 Subject: Cable routing--quick build wings?  

  

     

See uploaded picture in SR-Moose, 106 S/M Wings.  

    

   

    

In taking apart one of my wing leading edge skins, I discovered that the plastic tube that protects wires as well as my pitot / static tubes was simply zip-tied to all of the leading edge ribs.  As you can see in the uploaded picture, after about 230 hours in my plane, the "protective" tube in mine is a short time away from cutting wires / tubes.  About half of the rib-attachments show cuts of this magnitude.  

    

   

    

I think someone told me that Moose quick build wings all have their wires / pitot tubes routed (zip-tied) like this.  Is that true, or am I just lucky?  Seems that there's a lurking problem out there...  

    

   

    

Ted Waltman  

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tedwaltman(at)i1ci.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:44 am Post subject: Cable routing--quick build wings?

Sorry folks...forgot to insert the picture of the conduit  in my post yesterday.  Thanks for reminding me Scott.

  

 I'll try inserting the picture in this  email.

  

 Ted

  

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   From:  owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott  Aldrich

Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 7:06 AM

To:  murphymoose-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Cable  routing--quick build wings?

 

  

Ted, 

Did you insert the  picture in the matronic’s list or just the rebel list archives?  I didn’t  see it here, not sure if you knew that you can now insert (or was it attach?)  right into the Matronic’s emails now.  

     

 

From:  owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted Waltman

Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:28  AM

To: murphymoose-list(at)matronics.com; rebel-builders(at)dcsol.com

Subject: Cable  routing--quick build wings?

 

   

See uploaded picture in SR-Moose,  106 S/M Wings.

  

 

  

In taking apart one of my wing  leading edge skins, I discovered that the plastic tube that protects wires  as well as my pitot / static tubes was simply zip-tied to all of the leading  edge ribs.  As you can see in the uploaded picture, after about  230 hours in my plane, the "protective" tube in mine is a short time away from  cutting wires / tubes.  About half of the rib-attachments show cuts of this  magnitude.

  

 

  

I think someone told me that  Moose quick build wings all have their wires / pitot tubes routed  (zip-tied) like this.  Is that true, or am I just lucky?  Seems that  there's a lurking problem out there...

  

 

  

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ScottA

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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:13 am Post subject: Cable routing--quick build wings?

Ted, are any of the “looser” ones doing this?  Just wondering if it is okay if they hadn’t pulled the wrap tie so tight?  

   

Another way is to use a short piece of rubber hose as a stand off and still use the wrap tie. Wrap tie goes around whatever through the hose and then around the other whatever.  I have a bunch of stand offs like that in my engine compartment and it works great.  

Scott  

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From: owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted Waltman

 Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:44 AM

 To: murphymoose-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: MurphyMoose-List: Cable routing--quick build wings?  

  

   

Sorry folks...forgot to insert the picture of the conduit in my post yesterday.  Thanks for reminding me Scott.  

   

I'll try inserting the picture in this email.  

   

Ted  

   

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From: owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Aldrich

 Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 7:06 AM

 To: murphymoose-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: MurphyMoose-List: Cable routing--quick build wings?  

Ted,  

Did you insert the picture in the matronic’s list or just the rebel list archives?  I didn’t see it here, not sure if you knew that you can now insert (or was it attach?) right into the Matronic’s emails now.   

         

  

From: owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted Waltman

 Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:28 AM

 To: murphymoose-list(at)matronics.com; rebel-builders(at)dcsol.com

 Subject: Cable routing--quick build wings?  

  

     

See uploaded picture in SR-Moose, 106 S/M Wings.  

    

   

    

In taking apart one of my wing leading edge skins, I discovered that the plastic tube that protects wires as well as my pitot / static tubes was simply zip-tied to all of the leading edge ribs.  As you can see in the uploaded picture, after about 230 hours in my plane, the "protective" tube in mine is a short time away from cutting wires / tubes.  About half of the rib-attachments show cuts of this magnitude.  

    

   

    

I think someone told me that Moose quick build wings all have their wires / pitot tubes routed (zip-tied) like this.  Is that true, or am I just lucky?  Seems that there's a lurking problem out there...  

    

   

    

Ted Waltman  

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tedwaltman(at)i1ci.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:30 am Post subject: Cable routing--quick build wings?

Yes, it it just the ribs with the tighter zip-ties that  exhibit the problem.  Of course, there's no way to know what's loose or  tight if one didn't see inside their wing before it was closed  up.

  

 I like your simple approach for the  stand-offs.

  

 Ted



   From:  owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott  Aldrich

Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:14 PM

To:  murphymoose-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Cable  routing--quick build wings?

 

  

Ted, are any of the  “looser” ones doing this?  Just wondering if it is okay if they hadn’t  pulled the wrap tie so tight? 

  

Another way is to use a  short piece of rubber hose as a stand off and still use the wrap tie. Wrap tie  goes around whatever through the hose and then around the other whatever.   I have a bunch of stand offs like that in my engine compartment and it works  great. 

Scott 

[img]cid:763442818(at)05092006-1B19[/img] 

     

 

From:  owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted Waltman

Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:44  AM

To: murphymoose-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Cable  routing--quick build wings?

 

  

Sorry folks...forgot to  insert the picture of the conduit in my post yesterday.  Thanks for  reminding me Scott. 

  

I'll try inserting the  picture in this email. 

  

Ted 

  

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From:  owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Aldrich

Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 7:06  AM

To: murphymoose-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Cable  routing--quick build wings? 

Ted, 

Did you insert the  picture in the matronic’s list or just the rebel list archives?  I didn’t  see it here, not sure if you knew that you can now insert (or was it attach?)  right into the Matronic’s emails now.  

     

 

From:  owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-murphymoose-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted Waltman

Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:28  AM

To: murphymoose-list(at)matronics.com; rebel-builders(at)dcsol.com

Subject: Cable  routing--quick build wings?

 

   

See uploaded picture in SR-Moose,  106 S/M Wings.

  

 

  

In taking apart one of my wing  leading edge skins, I discovered that the plastic tube that protects wires  as well as my pitot / static tubes was simply zip-tied to all of the leading  edge ribs.  As you can see in the uploaded picture, after about  230 hours in my plane, the "protective" tube in mine is a short time away from  cutting wires / tubes.  About half of the rib-attachments show cuts of this  magnitude.

  

 

  

I think someone told me that  Moose quick build wings all have their wires / pitot tubes routed  (zip-tied) like this.  Is that true, or am I just lucky?  Seems that  there's a lurking problem out there...

  

 

  

Ted  Waltman

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