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kmurban(at)sprintmail.com
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:28 am Post subject: 601 XL

Dear List,

 I am a newbie who is shoping for a project and I am  considering the XL.I ask the kit factory if aerobatics are allowed in the XL.I  got a different answer from two people, one of which said mild acro is OK.I was  wondering if many of you use your XL for the ocasional loop or roll.Has  anyone got a straight answer from the designer on this?Thanks,

 Kirk

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larry(at)macsmachine.com
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:44 pm Post subject: 601 XL

Kirk,

Pleased to see you looking at the 601 series.  Excellent aircraft.  The 

advertised g-loading would say any positive loaded maneuvers like the 

roll or loop could be

tolerated easily, but I'd not choose the 601 if aerobatics were your 

primary interest.  The XL wing is much thinner a section than the 

previous HD and HDS.  Both of these

have thick enough wing to handle loads, but are a bit slower for the 

same thickness.  I think everyone has done a roll or a loop once or 

twice in the XL, but it's the exception

to the kind of flying intended.  If you need more detail, you should 

speak only to Nick at Zenith. As the principal design engineer, he would 

certainly elaborate in greater detail.

Best regards,



Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com



KM Urban wrote:



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		   Dear List,

 I am a newbie who is shoping for a project and I am considering the 

 XL.I ask the kit factory if aerobatics are allowed in the XL.I got a 

 different answer from two people, one of which said mild acro is OK.I 

 was wondering if many of you use your XL for the ocasional loop or 

 roll.Has anyone got a straight answer from the designer on this?Thanks,

 Kirk

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Phyrcooler

Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Posts: 9

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:54 am Post subject: Re: 601 XL / Aerobatics

I am also considering the 601XL as I compare various kit options, and thus also interested in this topic.  I have no interest in "serious" acro - but an occasional roll/loop would be fun...



Not being able to would NOT be a deal breaker for me - as it isn't that critical.  Conversely - if it could, it would be another entry in the positive column for this aircraft.



Please post any response you get direct from Zenith.  If anyone else has info - please chime in!



Thanks!

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ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:05 pm Post subject: 601 XL

I think the problem of doing some acrobatics in any airplane not designed to handle them, is very dangerours,  This is my point:



The pilot has to be very good in acro... so he will not stress the aircraft.

Given this, this mild acro will not be fun for him in this airplane, 



IF the pilot is not good (not proficient in acro) can make a mistake in certain manouver and over stress the plane and could brake it...  This could be fatal...

Would you take the chance?  Like racing the family car in the streets...



Going though some turbulence, is fun enough for me  



Saludos

Gary Gower

Flying from Chapala, Mexico.



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I am also considering the 601XL as I compare  various kit options, and thus also interested in this topic.  I have no interest in "serious" acro - but an occasional roll/loop would be fun...



Not being able to would NOT be a deal breaker for me - as it isn't that critical.  Conversely - if it could, it would be another entry in the positive column for this aircraft.



Please post any response you get direct from Zenith.  If anyone else has info - please chime in!



Thanks!





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Phyrcooler

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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: 601 XL

 	  ggower_99(at)yahoo.com wrote: 	
		  I think the problem of doing some acrobatics in any airplane not designed to handle them, is very dangerours...

	




  Agreed



However - I think that both of us are trying to clarify what, if any acro maneuvers the engineers feel are OK with this craft.  While I don't believe that an experimental aircraft is rated as "utility" or "Acrobatic" - the designers should be able to detail the design parameters and/or limits.

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bryanmmartin

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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:26 pm Post subject: 601 XL

The 601 series aircraft are designed for a flight load factor of  4 g  

(design load factor of 6 g). Aerobatic aircraft are designed with a  

flight load factor of 6 g or greater (design load factor of 9 g or  

greater). Based on this, the Zodiacs are not suitable for much in the  

way of aerobatic flight. But, as long as the planned maneuver has  

little chance of causing more than a 4 g load on the aircraft, even  

if you screw it up, you should be OK.

On Sep 5, 2006, at 6:48 PM, Phyrcooler wrote:

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 <phyrcooler(at)hotmail.com>

 ggower_99(at)yahoo.com wrote:

> I think the problem of doing some acrobatics in any airplane not  

> designed to handle them, is very dangerours...

>

   Agreed

 However - I think that both of us are trying to clarify what, if  

 any acro maneuvers the engineers feel are OK with this craft.   

 While I don't believe that an experimental aircraft is rated as  

 "utility" or "Acrobatic" - the designers should be able to detail  

 the design parameters and/or limits.

-- 

Bryan Martin

N61BM, CH 601 XL,

RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.

do not archive.

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p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: 601 XL

All these opinions about aerobatic flight in a Zodiac don't consider 

the requirement for a parachute when doing aerobatics.  The FARs are 

quite clear on this point.  Even if you wear a parachute, it will 

only serve as a seat cushion since you can't get the forward hinged 

canopy open in flight to get out of the plane if the wings come off.



Paul

XL fuselage

do not archive



At 04:24 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote:

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The 601 series aircraft are designed for a flight load factor of  4 g

(design load factor of 6 g). Aerobatic aircraft are designed with a

flight load factor of 6 g or greater (design load factor of 9 g or

greater). Based on this, the Zodiacs are not suitable for much in the

way of aerobatic flight. But, as long as the planned maneuver has

little chance of causing more than a 4 g load on the aircraft, even

if you screw it up, you should be OK.

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