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billsettle(at)peoplepc.co
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:10 pm Post subject: New Builder

Hi Everyone,



I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you.  I am starting an RV-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll need.  I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet squeezer at Aircraft Tool Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The Main Squeeze".  Both are about the same cost.  Does  anyone have any opinions on them...?  Also, can someone recommend a pneumatic squeezer and are they necessary?  Any other advice anyone could provide on anything would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks,

Bill Settle



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dan(at)rdan.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:47 pm Post subject: New Builder

Bill,,,

  Lots of advise is comming I'm sure, and it's all good.

  As for me I bought a pheumatic squeezer right off and still don't have a hand squeeze, as of yet I havn't needed the hand tool but I'm thinking about buying one. it has to also fit the same yokes as the standard pheumatic

  Welcome to the club

  Dan

  -8

  finishing tail soon,.,

  Ssnohomish WA

  



Bill & Debbie Settle <billsettle(at)peoplepc.com> wrote:

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Hi Everyone,



I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an RV-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll need. I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet squeezer at Aircraft [quote][b]

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jeff(at)preou.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: New Builder

I bought the Avery toolkit and also an Avery pneumatic squeezer (they were on special at the time). I love the pneumatic and use it a lot, but there is still the odd occasion where the hand squeezer allows me easier control. The yokes are interchangeable, I have the quick release pins and the adjustable set holder. Life is easy(-ier) with the right tools!! I just figured that if I'm spending $150k (NZ) then an extra grand or two on decent tools isn't really much in the grand scheme of things...

 

Cheers,

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Jeff Preou

Hamilton, New Zealand

 



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Hi Everyone,



I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you.  I am starting an RV-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll need.  I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet squeezer at Aircraft Tool Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The Main Squeeze".  Both are about the same cost.  Does  anyone have any opinions on them...?  Also, can someone recommend a pneumatic squeezer and are they necessary?  Any other advice anyone could provide on anything would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks,

Bill Settle



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fstringham

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Posts: 87

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject: New Builder

Bill



Congrats on the start and your ???? I started my 7A 2 years ago this month 

(Sept.04 2006). Enjoyed every minute of it ....even the mistakes.......



Now to the tools questions. I do know that my son ( who I build homes with) 

said Dad remember it is the tools. He said this as I was trying to decide to 

buy the DRDT2 dimpler. I am glad I bought it. Saved time, made perfect 

dimples, and was very easy to use. With that said I bought the Avery RV Kit, 

pneumatic squeezer from the Tool Yard....4 inch no hole yoke and the 

longerone yoke. I do kinda wished I had bought the Cleveland squeezer for 

those time when a hand sqeezer makes more sense than the pneumatic. A dremel 

is a must. I also have a belt sander,  band saw, table saw, and on and on 

and on. I feel sometimes like I have kept sears/lowes/home depot/Ace.....in 

business. The more tools the better!



At a minimum build Vans practice kit. At a max. go to one of the schools 

that will help you finish off your emanage (SP).  I did the practice project 

and had a good freind with a lot of build experience get me started. He did 

give me one excellent piece of advice. "Be Patient". I can tell you every 

time I have made a mistake I was pressing forward full speed under the 

notion that, "I think this will work". NOT................My advice would 

be: Get help with the learning curve, yes, be patient, don't rivet unless 

the part is tied down solid, take your time, check out the web pages of the 

great builders....Dan Checkoway, Walter Tondu, Sam Buchanan ...plus many 

more on the Vans links. Last be not least read the instructions...get 

claification where needed, and then measure trice/cut-drill-rivet-etc once.



I am now finishing up the canopy (tip up..a real mans plane canopy ....boy 

will this start a discussion), wiring, panel stuff, FWF and .........Well 

lets just say it will be done when it is done.



Again welcome, happy building, and I can't wait to read your email advice to 

a newby! It will come sooner than you think. Oh ya never ever give up your 

dream!



Frank (at) SGU and SLC..........



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Subject: New Builder

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 18:09:50 -0400 (EDT)




<billsettle(at)peoplepc.com>



Hi Everyone,



I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you.  I am starting an 

RV-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll 

need.  I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet 

squeezer at Aircraft Tool Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The 

Main Squeeze".  Both are about the same cost.  Does  anyone have any 

opinions on them...?  Also, can someone recommend a pneumatic squeezer and 

are they necessary?  Any other advice anyone could provide on anything 

would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks,

Bill Settle



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martin(at)gbonline.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:29 pm Post subject: New Builder

Bill,

BUY THE ONE FROM CLEVELAND.

Also buy only Cleveland or Avery dies.

I tried all of them and ended up selling the others at the OSH flea market.

Dick Martin

RV8 N233M

the fast one

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steve(at)newtech.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: New Builder

Dan wrote:



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		   Bill,,,

 Lots of advise is comming I'm sure, and it's all good.

 As for me I bought a pheumatic squeezer right off and still don't have 

 a hand squeeze, as of yet I havn't needed the hand tool but I'm 

 thinking about buying one. it has to also fit the same yokes as the 

 standard pheumatic

 Welcome to the club

 Dan

 -8

 finishing tail soon,.,

 Ssnohomish WA


	


I am finishing the fuselage kit and ready to order the finishing kit for 

my RV-7A.  Still only have the pneumatic squeezer, bought from Avery, 

and don't have a hand squeezer.



Steve Eberhart

RV-7A, canoe flipped and ready to order the finishing kit

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december29(at)bellsouth.n
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: New Builder

Bill,

  As the slowest RV-8 builder in the world (80002, yep, lots of zeros but 

almost done.........no, really) I feel qualified to comment.   I would like 

to throw in my 2 cents for a pneumatic squeezer.  They are not required, a 

buddy and I are both building -8's in his shop, but we have commented to 

each other that we should have gotten one to save time.  You use it and then 

can sell it for probably not much less than you paid for it.  In riveting 4 

wings, 27 ailerons, 11 tail pieces.............okay, I'm exaggerating, but 

there were times where you thought you would end up with Popeye forearms. 

Now the guys that want you to smelt the kit out of ore will disagree.  But 

to be totally honest, I bought a bunch of crap that people said I "needed" 

to have that I used maybe once (or not at all).

     Having a pneumatic squeezer is like having a really great looking wife. 

Sure it's not necessary, but in the end, you'll be really happy you had one. 

Okay, philosophy was not my major, but it seems right.  Bill, have fun with 

the kit and build it faster than me (10 years, 4 years of building is a long 

time...........my "G" tolerance has gone from over 7 to about 2........



Later,



John

december29(at)bellsouth.net

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aerobubba(at)earthlink.ne
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:12 am Post subject: New Builder

Welcome aboard, Bill!



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		  Also, can someone

recommend a pneumatic squeezer and are they necessary? Any other advice

anyone
	


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		  could provide on anything would be greatly appreciated.

 
	


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		  Thanks,

Bill Settle

 
	


I'm finishing up (whatever that means...) my RV-8.  I have an Avery hand

squeezer.  I do not have a pneumatic squeezer, and although I've had the

opportunity to use one elsewhere, I don't see the value in owning one.  If

I was setting heavy rivets on an assembly line I might see things

differently, but to me they are a waste of resources in the context of

building an RV.  The rivets used in building an RV are not hard to squeeze

at all.  Whatever effort one expends actually setting rivets by hand is

offset by the effort of lugging the relatively heavy pneumatic squeezer

around.



Just one more data point, and worth precisely what you paid for it-



glen matejcek

aerobubba(at)earthlink.net

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Paul Valovich

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 75

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:37 am Post subject: New Builder

If you have the $, I highly recommend the pneumatic squeezer. It not only speeds the repetitive dimpling / riveting process involved in attaching the larger skins and other components, it also provides consistency with the appearance of the numerous rivets that is difficult to achieve with a hand squeezer.  

   

Got mine (refurbished) from U.S. Industrial Tools and have been completely satisfied with the operation and value received.  

   

And an off track lesson learned from long-ago posts: If you do get one, don’t oil it like you do drills and other tools.  

Paul Valovich  

Ridgecrest, CA  

-8A QB – Interior paint, about to spend big bucks on a motor and avionics  

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