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ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:12 am Post subject: Bose versus Lightspeed headset comparison

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		  Yesterday I had the chance to compare my Lightspeed (LS) Twenty 3G

headsets against a pair of Bose.  This is a quick, non-scientific review.
	




I could detect an improvement in noise reduction with the Bose but

suspect that the difference would be minimal or non-existent with

a pair of LS Thirty 3G headsets (6 db better active noise reduction

than Twenty 3G).



The ear clamping force on the Bose was less which I thought would

make them less effective in reducing noise.   I was wrong.



The Bose weighs about 120 grams (4 ounces) less.



The earcup assemblies are about an inch thinner on the Bose.



I did not wear the Bose for the entire flight so I can't make any comments

about it being more comfortable but it is nice.  It looks sleeker because of

the smaller earcup assemblies.



Bottom line is that I don't know that it would be worth $400 more than a pair

of LS 30-3Gs.



Ron Lee

tedd(at)vansairforce.org
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:04 am Post subject: Bose versus Lightspeed headset comparison

I have two pairs of Lightspeed headsets that I'm happy with the performance of.

But earlier this year I had a problem with one and called Lightspeed for help.

I was told that my model is no longer supported and they don't stock parts for

it, but they invited me to upgrade to a newer model.



I really don't think it's too much to ask that a company support and stock

parts for a headset that's less than ten years old, so I wasn't very impressed

with that.  Fortunately, the problem turned out to be only a broken wire.  But

when an actual Lightspeed part eventually fails the headset will be scrap.  I

doubt that would happen with a David Clark, at the same age.



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Tedd McHenry

Surrey, BC, Canada

flyrv6(at)bryantechnology
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:19 am Post subject: Bose versus Lightspeed headset comparison

At ten years this could very well be the case with your 50K car E  After ten years the parts start to dry up.  Unless the aftermarket picks up the molds or it is a component that is available through the local auto zone.

 Tim

  

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rv7(at)b4.ca
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:03 am Post subject: Bose versus Lightspeed headset comparison

On 11:18:51 2006-09-06 "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6(at)bryantechnology.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   At ten years this could very well be the case with your 50K car.

 After ten years the parts start to dry up.  Unless the aftermarket

 picks up the molds or it is a component that is available through the

 local auto zone. Tim


	


Maybe if it's american-made... But i've never had problems obtaining parts

for 15-20 year old japanese cars or motorcycles.  Honda always seems to

have parts.  You'll just have to pay exorbitant amounts of money for them...



-Rob

flyrv6(at)bryantechnology
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:45 am Post subject: Bose versus Lightspeed headset comparison

Good point Rob.

  

 Tim

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DOUGPFLYRV(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:22 pm Post subject: Bose versus Lightspeed headset comparison

I agree with Ron. I bought the Bose & Lightspeed at the same  time.....tried them both and sent the Bose back. Not worth the additional cost  in my opinion.

 Doug Preston 

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 RV-10 (Getting close)

  

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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: Bose versus Lightspeed headset comparison

Tedd McHenry wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  



I have two pairs of Lightspeed headsets that I'm happy with the performance of.

But earlier this year I had a problem with one and called Lightspeed for help.

I was told that my model is no longer supported and they don't stock parts for

it, but they invited me to upgrade to a newer model.



I really don't think it's too much to ask that a company support and stock

parts for a headset that's less than ten years old, so I wasn't very impressed

with that.  Fortunately, the problem turned out to be only a broken wire.  But

when an actual Lightspeed part eventually fails the headset will be scrap.  I

doubt that would happen with a David Clark, at the same age.



---



Tedd McHenry

Surrey, BC, Canada




	


Hi Tedd,



Since I'm the originator of the recent 'rant' controversy, I thought I 

might play 'devil's advocate' for a change.



I feel your frustration, since I just went through the exact same issue 

with a pair of 20K's (which I bought used, from an individual) and a 

pair of 15XL's that I bought new.  My experience was that the tech guy 

said that they *might* not be able to fix the 20K's; I could trade them 

up if I wanted; but send them anyway & they'd take a look. I just got 

both sets back today, repaired, no charge, including wear items like the 

pads (2nd time, free, on the 15XL's). I was planning to write the list 

tonight to praise LS for their excellent service when I read your post.



Here's my 'devil's advocate' position:



When I ran a consumer electronics repair company in a previous life (no 

sales; just repair) & we had to tell a customer that their 

stereo/tv/vcr/etc wasn't worth fixing, most got really frustrated with 

us, even though we didn't sell the product to them. My explanation 

usually ran something like, "I know it's only x years old, but you only 

paid y dollars for it. If you had paid 3 times y dollars for it, it 

would be worth fixing. I think you came out ahead, even though it's hard 

to adjust to 'disposable' products." Manufacturers of almost all 

products are pushing us into disposable products by jacking up the 

replacement parts prices so high they can stay legal (automotive, for 

example) by keeping just a couple of parts on a shelf somewhere priced 

at half the value of the product. The upside is that most mass produced 

products have gotten incredibly inexpensive relative to what they do.



The LS headsets are (mostly) constructed of very inexpensive, often 

flimsy, parts. The purchase price, compared to the high end stuff, 

reflects it. One of the ways to keep costs down is not restocking custom 

parts after changing models (common practice; there's a particular 

relatively high dollar GPS brand that quit supplying even database 

updates after just 3 or 4 years, a while back). The impressive thing 

about LS is that I've never heard of anyone that paid for a repair on 

them, no matter what the age. Not so for some of the high end brands. 

The $1k brands can probably be fixed 'forever' but it's likely to cost 

almost as much as a new pair of LS for each repair.



I can't stop without griping about something; they wouldn't let me trade 

in the 20K's on a pair of the new in-the-ear models.





Charlie

ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:49 pm Post subject: Bose versus Lightspeed headset comparison

At 06:21 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  I agree with Ron. I bought the Bose & Lightspeed at the same time.....tried them both and sent the Bose back. Not worth the additional cost in my opinion.

 	


 Doug was it the Lightspeed 20-3G or 30-3G?



 Ron Lee



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pbesing(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: Bose versus Lightspeed headset comparison

I still can't believe this continues to be a recurring thread.  My opinion only, (not sure why it is not more common, though!) is that to ME it's worth the $1K for the quality, comfort, and most of all, piece of mind that I won't ever have to send them back....I don't care if LS sends me a new pair every time or repairs them...the bottom line is you have to send them back and be without headsets, pay shipping charges to LS, and frankly, is a pain in the rear.  

   

  I'll reiterate from my previous posts...I've had the Bose X for 6 years now, and have about 1000 hours on a pair.  The most of those hours were in and out of Cessnas while I was a flight instructor, in all kinds of heat, cold, rain, etc, and not one blip out of them in all that time.  To ME, it's worth not every buying another pair, or having to send one back.  Not to mention, I feel that they are far more comfortable, even if the ANR quality is close  enough between the two.

   

  I now have two pairs of Bose X headsets for the above reasons and don't have the slightest regret for spending the money...especially when they have no interest over 12 months.  We are airplane builders, flyers, etc..nobody said it was a cheap hobby!

   

  Again, my opinion only!

   

  Paul Besing



Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:

  [quote]--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England 



Tedd McHenry wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry 



I have two pairs of Lightspeed headsets that I'm happy with the performance of.

But earlier this year I had a problem with one and called Lightspeed for help.

I was told that my  model is no longer supported and they don't stock parts for

it, but they invited me to upgrade to a newer model.



I really don't think it's too much to ask that a company support and stock

parts for a headset that's less than ten years old, so I wasn't very impressed

with that. Fortunately, the problem turned out to be only a broken wire. But

when an actual Lightspeed part eventually fails the headset will be scrap. I

doubt that would happen with a David Clark, at the same age.



---



Tedd McHenry

Surrey, BC, Canada




	


Hi Tedd,



Since I'm the originator of the recent 'rant' controversy, I thought I 

might play 'devil's advocate' for a change.



I feel your frustration, since I just went through the exact same issue 

with a pair of 20K's (which I bought used, from an individual) and a 

pair of 15XL's that I bought new. My experience was that the tech guy  

said that they *might* not be able to fix the 20K's; I could trade them 

up if I wanted; but send them anyway & they'd take a look. I just got 

both sets back today, repaired, no charge, including wear items like the 

pads (2nd time, free, on the 15XL's). I was planning to write the list 

tonight to praise LS for their excellent service when I read your post.



Here's my 'devil's advocate' position:



When I ran a consumer electronics repair company in a previous life (no 

sales; just repair) & we had to tell a customer that their 

stereo/tv/vcr/etc wasn't worth fixing, most got really frustrated with 

us, even though we didn't sell the product to them. My explanation 

usually ran something like, "I know it's only x years old, but you only 

paid y dollars for it. If you had paid 3 times y dollars for it, it 

would be worth fixing. I think you came out ahead, even though it's hard 

to adjust to 'disposable' products."  Manufacturers of almost all 

products are pushing us into disposable products by jacking up the 

replacement parts prices so high they can stay legal (automotive, for 

example) by keeping just a couple of parts on a shelf somewhere priced 

at half the value of the product. The upside is that most mass produced 

products have gotten incredibly inexpensive relative to what they do.



The LS headsets are (mostly) constructed of very inexpensive, often 

flimsy, parts. The purchase price, compared to the high end stuff, 

reflects it. One of the ways to keep costs down is not restocking custom 

parts after changing models (common practice; there's a particular 

relatively high dollar GPS brand that quit supplying even database 

updates after just 3 or 4 years, a while back). The impressive thing 

about LS is that I've never heard of anyone that paid for a repair on 

them, no matter what the age. Not so for some of the high end brands. 		Get your email and more, right on the [url=http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=42973/*http://www.yahoo.com/preview] new Yahoo.com[/url]   [quote][b]

DOUGPFLYRV(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:03 am Post subject: Bose versus Lightspeed headset comparison

I believe it was the 20 series......I have the 30 series now. Not a great  difference from 

 20 to 30.

 Doug

  

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macrafic

Joined: 01 May 2006
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Bose versus Lightspeed headset comparison

I had a chance to hear both the LS 30G and the Bose at Oshkosh this year, in a sound booth where you could pipe in engine noise and vary the volume.  I was impressed with the LS, especially considering the price.  For the sound, immediate comfort and price, I would purchase the LS hands down.  However, I can't comment on the long term wear of both.  Seems to me this would be a very critical criteria.

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