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dean.psiropoulos(at)veriz
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:21 pm Post subject: Fuel Pumps

These pumps are not rocket science but they are obviously "aircraft" parts

because the price is about 10 TIMES what it ought to be.  I ended up with an

AFP fuel pump when Mattituck sent me my finished engine.  I can't help but

speculate that there HAS to be a similar pump in the auto racing world that

can be used for this purpose.  That pump will likely cost between 50-100

dollars and be of equal or better quality than a PMA stamped part (who knows

maybe even AFP adapts one of these pumps). Not to knock the AFP system, it's

likely the best mechanical system to be had today and Don Rivera's service

is top notch.  But... these ridiculous prices for simple and proven pumping

technology is idiotic (like many old low tech aircraft parts).  Anyone

researched using an automotive racing pump (ie. Holley, Edelbrock, etc) for

this purpose.



Dean Psiropoulos

RV-6A N197DM

Always blown away by the cost of "aircraft" parts. 

 	  Quote: 	
		  Subject: RE: RV-List: Curious

From: "BPA" <BPA(at)bpaengines.com>



The Airflow Performance boost pump is around 500.00 bucks. Lighweight,

simple in design and works. Everybody I know has problems with Duke

pumps and end up chucking them in the trash.

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skylor4(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject: Fuel Pumps

Here's an MSD pump from Summit Racing that appears to

be very similiar to the actual AFP pump:



http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MSD%2D2225&N=700+4294925239+4294839053+4294836965+4294891680+115&autoview=sku



(the link may be broken...)



$93.  Keep in mind, however, that the AFP pump

includes a pressure reliev valve, the bypass check

valve & associated manifolding & plumbing, as well as

a filter.  When bought from Van's, it also includes a

mounting kit .



The $93 pump from summit racing is just for the pump

only.



Skylor

RV-8 Under Construction

FWF, Avionics 



--- DEAN PSIROPOULOS <dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net>

wrote:



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 <dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net>

 

 These pumps are not rocket science but they are

 obviously "aircraft" parts

 because the price is about 10 TIMES what it ought to

 be.  I ended up with an

 AFP fuel pump when Mattituck sent me my finished

 engine.  I can't help but

 speculate that there HAS to be a similar pump in the

 auto racing world that

 can be used for this purpose.  That pump will likely

 cost between 50-100

 dollars and be of equal or better quality than a PMA

 stamped part (who knows

 maybe even AFP adapts one of these pumps). Not to

 knock the AFP system, it's

 likely the best mechanical system to be had today

 and Don Rivera's service

 is top notch.  But... these ridiculous prices for

 simple and proven pumping

 technology is idiotic (like many old low tech

 aircraft parts).  Anyone

 researched using an automotive racing pump (ie.

 Holley, Edelbrock, etc) for

 this purpose.

 

 Dean Psiropoulos

 RV-6A N197DM

 Always blown away by the cost of "aircraft" parts. 

 

 

 >Subject: RE: Curious

 >From: "BPA" <BPA(at)bpaengines.com>

 >

 >The Airflow Performance boost pump is around 500.00

 bucks. Lighweight,

 >simple in design and works. Everybody I know has

 problems with Duke

 >pumps and end up chucking them in the trash.

 

 

 

 

 

 



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mstewart(at)iss.net
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:40 am Post subject: Fuel Pumps

A direct fuel pump replacement for the AFP electric fuel pump is the

Carter fuel pump part number P74015



I have replaced mine on the road before readily available from Napa or

autozone ~$120

A search of the archives will help. Message 121131



It was Charlie Kuss that had all the G2 on the pumps and filters. I had

2 pumps maybe 3 die on my rv-6 in 1500 hours. I had to run my pump above

7k' for vapor lock so mine ran a lot. A change in the filter element to

a finer filter solved the problem and I used that same smaller micron

filter for my 8.

Enjoy,

Mike

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Hopperdhh(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:59 am Post subject: Fuel Pumps

Hi Mike,

  

 I tried to find message "121131" in the archives, but apparently it won't  let me search on the message number.  There are 1573 hits on "fuel  pump".  Any suggestions on how to find messages relevant to this  pump?

  

 do not archive

  

 Thanks,

 Dan Hopper

 RV-7A IO-360-A1A

  

  

 In a message dated 9/12/2006 6:42:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  mstewart(at)iss.net writes:

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		  -->    RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"    <mstewart(at)iss.net>



A direct fuel pump replacement for the AFP    electric fuel pump is the

Carter fuel pump part number P74015



I have    replaced mine on the road before readily available from Napa or

autozone    ~$120

A search of the archives will help. Message 121131



It was    Charlie Kuss that had all the G2 on the pumps and filters. I had

2 pumps    maybe 3 die on my rv-6 in 1500 hours. I had to run my pump above

7k' for    vapor lock so mine ran a lot. A change in the filter element to

a finer    filter solved the problem and I used that same smaller micron

filter for my    8.

Enjoy,

Mike



	


 

  

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mstewart(at)iss.net
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:08 am Post subject: Fuel Pumps

I ran this search  

afp&napa&fuel&pump  

   

Mike  

   

         

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hopperdhh(at)aol.com

 Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 6:58 AM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Fuel Pumps  

  

       

   

    

   

    

   

    

Hi Mike,  

    

   

    

I tried to find message "121131" in the archives, but apparently it won't let me search on the message number.  There are 1573 hits on "fuel pump".  Any suggestions on how to find messages relevant to this pump?  

    

   

    

do not archive  

    

   

    

Thanks,  

    

Dan Hopper  

    

RV-7A IO-360-A1A  

    

   

    

   

    

In a message dated 9/12/2006 6:42:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mstewart(at)iss.net writes:  

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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart(at)iss.net>

 

 A direct fuel pump replacement for the AFP electric fuel pump is the

 Carter fuel pump part number P74015

 

 I have replaced mine on the road before readily available from Napa or

 autozone ~$120

 A search of the archives will help. Message 121131

 

 It was Charlie Kuss that had all the G2 on the pumps and filters. I had

 2 pumps maybe 3 die on my rv-6 in 1500 hours. I had to run my pump above

 7k' for vapor lock so mine ran a lot. A change in the filter element to

 a finer filter solved the problem and I used that same smaller micron

 filter for my 8.

 

 

 Enjoy,

 Mike  	
  

    

   

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chaztuna(at)adelphia.net
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject: Fuel Pumps

Dan,

  I wrote that post and I can't find it either. I've saved some of this info on my hard drive. FYI, I wasn't the first one to figure out you could buy this stuff.

  I am including some of the stuff I saved on this subject below.

 Charlie Kuss



 I bought the same pump (API) from NAPA this morning.  I will have to use the plumbing and parts off of my API pump, but not a problem.  The cost was

 $134.  Carter P/N is P74015.  The box it came in reads Supplied to NAPA by Carter Fuel Systems  Federal Mogul Southfield, MI.

 Kevin Ebsen



 Listers,

  I checked with my local auto parts supplier. The part number supplied by Kevin is the actual Carter part number. These pumps are used on the following vehicles.

 1983-86   Ford & Mercury 4 cylinder engines

 1971-82   Volvo 4 cylinder engines

 1976-82      "     6     "           "

 1975-77   BMW  6 cylinder engines

 1975-80   Cadillac 8 cylinder engines



 I was quoted $137 (wholesale)  Even if this is not a savings over API's price, it's valuable information to have. At least if your pump fails, you know you can get one at an auto parts store, rather than Fed Ex ing one from API.

 Charlie Kuss



 The filter is from "Flow Ezy".

   www.flowezy.com   

 I have a model 4ILA with 3/8 pipe thread, 74 micron screen, viton O-ring,  black color. PN- 4ILA-03-74-F3-BL

 Be careful when modifying your fuel system. Unexpected things can happen.

 George Meketa        RV8,        ACGM(at)GVTC.COM     N444TX, 261.3 hours



 FYI, This is a slightly smaller version of the 6 ILA model Airflow Performance sells. Pegasus Auto Racing carries this item now, with Viton seals (resists auto fuels, gasahol, etc) and a 25 micron screen. I convinced RV-9A builder Chris Heitman (the owner) to stock these by arranging a "group purchase" several years ago. I am using 2 of these units, one in each wing root area. See



  http://flowezy.freeyellow.com/racingMODEL_4ILA.html



  http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecId=3469



 For those who have the stock 6ILA filter sold by Airflow Performance and Vans, you can get the Viton seals and better screen filter elements from Flow Ezy or one of their distributors. It's harder to find the model 6 ILA filter on Flow Ezy's web site, as they consider it a "high pressure filter".  See the 8th item from the top of the page below.



  http://198.170.245.162/flowezypagehydraulicfilters.html#HIGHPRESSUREIN-LINEFILTER 



 I hope this helps



 Charlie Kuss



 



 



 



 



 



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 Hi Mike,

  

 I tried to find message "121131" in the archives, but apparently it won't let me search on the message number.  There are 1573 hits on "fuel pump".  Any suggestions on how to find messages relevant to this pump?

  

 do not archive

  

 Thanks,

 Dan Hopper

 RV-7A IO-360-A1A

  

  

 In a message dated 9/12/2006 6:42:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mstewart(at)iss.net writes:

   --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart(at)iss.net>



  A direct fuel pump replacement for the AFP electric fuel pump is the

  Carter fuel pump part number P74015



  I have replaced mine on the road before readily available from Napa or

  autozone ~$120

  A search of the archives will help. Message 121131



  It was Charlie Kuss that had all the G2 on the pumps and filters. I had

  2 pumps maybe 3 die on my rv-6 in 1500 hours. I had to run my pump above

  7k' for vapor lock so mine ran a lot. A change in the filter element to

  a finer filter solved the problem and I used that same smaller micron

  filter for my 8.



 

  Enjoy,

  Mike



   



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