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Jeff Linebaugh
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 Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:39 am Post subject: Scraping the T-3A Firefly... |
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Scrap Aluminum price…? The T-3A is a “fiberglass” airplane! ‘Taint much aluminum in it! Wonder who is getting taken?
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Time: 07:12:26 PM PST US
From: "Terry Lewis" <talew(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: scrap
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I found on google that the airforce academy will scrap all T-3A Firefly
aircraft and will get scrap aluminum price for each.
A pity.
Terry
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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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| Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:05 am Post subject: Scraping the T-3A Firefly... |
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I think it was T-34's. I may be wrong though.
Dennis
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jsfox(at)adelphia.net
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| Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:49 am Post subject: Scraping the T-3A Firefly... |
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I was also under the impression the T-3A has been grounded for the past several years do to engine failure issues
Steve
On Sep 14, 2006, at 9:04 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
[quote]I think it was T-34's. I may be wrong though.
Dennis
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Scooter
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| Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:00 am Post subject: Re: Scraping the T-3A Firefly... |
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I believe it is all composite...
Here's the history:
"The T-3A is the newest version of Slingsby Aviation's T-67 Firefly line of military training aircraft. The prototype began flying in the summer of 1991, and the Air Force accepted delivery in February 1994. Of the total fleet of 110 T-3s which originally cost $32 million, 57 were stationed with the Air Force Academy's 557th Flying Training Squadron in Colorado Springs, with another 53 with the 3rd Flying Training Squadron in Hondo, Texas. Final assembly of the British-made T-3 was done in Hondo by Northrup Grumman.
The Air Education and Training Command at Randolph AFB announced on 12 October 1999 that the T-3A Firefly would be dropped by the Air Force, after having been grounded for more than two years. In 1998 the Air Force intiated the privately run Introductory Flight Training which uses private flight schools to screen pilot candidates. The success of this program persuaded the Air Force to drop the T-3 from service. The T-3 fleet was grounded in July 1997, following an inexplicable engine failure in Colorado. Three instructors and three students were killed in crashes since the plane went into service in 1994. Two crashes were the result of pilot error, while a third occurred because of a stall condition from which the pilot was unable to recover. The predecessor T-41 had no fatal accidents in 30 years of flight, although the T-41 was incapable of performing the aerobatics and spins that were the hallmark of the T-3. The T-3's engine had failed 66 times at takeoff or landing, and the Air Force grounded 57 of the planes on 10 occasions due to problems with the engines, fuel systems and brakes."
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:36 am Post subject: Scraping the T-3A Firefly... |
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It is the T3A Firefly that has been grounded for about 4 years now and is being scrapped. Do find it interesting that some doofus in materials salvage actually approved scraping a fiberglass aircraft for the aluminum! The instruments they will pull out of them are worth more than the amount of aluminum they will get out them!
Doc
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:48 am Post subject: Scraping the T-3A Firefly... |
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Bottom line..they just need to get the good ol' reliable YAK-52
(ok...ok..add a few of the bent wings too...CJ'S!). Just to give them the
experience of a slow snap roll!
Doc
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From: Scooter <yakk52(at)verizon.net>
To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: 9/14/2006 9:14:53 AM
Subject: Re: Scraping the T-3A Firefly...
I believe it is all composite...
Here's the history:
"The T-3A is the newest version of Slingsby Aviation's T-67 Firefly line
of military training aircraft. The prototype began flying in the summer of
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1991, and the Air Force accepted delivery in February 1994. Of the total
fleet of 110 T-3s which originally cost $32 million, 57 were stationed with
the Air Force Academy's 557th Flying Training Squadron in Colorado Springs,
with another 53 with the 3rd Flying Training Squadron in Hondo, Texas.
Final assembly of the British-made T-3 was done in Hondo by Northrup
Grumman.
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The Air Education and Training Command at Randolph AFB announced on 12
October 1999 that the T-3A Firefly would be dropped by the Air Force, after
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having been grounded for more than two years. In 1998 the Air Force
intiated the privately run Introductory Flight Training which uses private
flight schools to screen pilot candidates. The success of this program
persuaded the Air Force to drop the T-3 from service. The T-3 fleet was
grounded in July 1997, following an inexplicable engine failure in
Colorado. Three instructors and three students were killed in crashes since
the plane went into service in 1994. Two crashes were the result of pilot
error, while a third occurred because of a stall condition from which the
pilot was unable to recover. The predecessor T-41 had no fatal accidents in
30 years of flight, although the T-41 was incapable of performing the
aerobatics and spins that were the hallmark of the T-3. The T-3's engine
had failed 66 times at takeoff or landing, and!
| Quote: | the Air Force grounded 57 of the planes on 10 occasions due to problems
with the engines, fuel systems and brakes."
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shinden33(at)earthlink.ne
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:04 pm Post subject: Scraping the T-3A Firefly... |
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Another interesting note. Edwards did full spin/departure testing on the
T-3 and found no adverse recovery characteristics or unusual modes. As I
understand it, the T-3 spun just as predictably as a C-150.
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aerobaticgirl(at)yahoo.co
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:14 am Post subject: Scraping the T-3A Firefly... |
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It spun true n easy
Shinden33 <shinden33(at)earthlink.net> wrote: [quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: "Shinden33"
Another interesting note. Edwards did full spin/departure testing on the
T-3 and found no adverse recovery characteristics or unusual modes. As I
understand it, the T-3 spun just as predictably as a C-150.
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