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Hello All
My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar KXP. It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates and one was the panel. It was not in good shape so I am going to rebuild it. My question is this. What do you all have in your panels and what configuration is it? Are there any pictures that are available? right now I have an altimeter 3 1/8", Airspeed 3 1/8", CHT 2", EGT 2", Tach 2", and fuel quantity 2" I can configure these so I can also get my handheld radio mounted on the panel. Are there any other units that might combine some of these gauges? I hope to get this done so I can fly it yet this fall but I have a few other things that need attention as well. I will also be licensing this in LSA this year.
Thank for your time
Jeff Nelson
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lcottrell
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:04 am Post subject: New Member Panel Question |
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If you can get all that in a KXP panel, my hats off to you. I am faced with the same thing having destroyed my old pod. The new one from TNK seems to be a bit different and more streamlined. (read smaller) I was faced with buying two new gages so that I could have two EGT and CHT measurements so I opted to get a EIS from Grand Rapids Tech. Then all you need is fuel gages, altimeter, air speed and compass. They do have a unit that has an altimeter built in. What convinced me was the fact that they have a remote feature that you can remotely wire the functions for your stick? or any where else you want it. I just went out and took a picture, since that is what I have been working on, and I notice that it is set in the panel upside down. I have been trying to tame the wiring mess that is involved in this and just secured the connectors and shoved it into the panel. The harness has 12 feet of wires so there is plenty to get to anywhere you want. I dealt direct with the factory, ( the gal that answers the phone is sharp and will save you a lot of trouble as well as money) and was much happier and confident that I would be getting what I needed.
Larry, Oregon
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: New Member Panel Question |
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My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar KXP. It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates and one was the panel. It was not in good shape so I am going to rebuild it. My question is this. What do you all have in your panels and what configuration is it? Are there any pictures that are available? |
I tried to keep mine as simple as I could.
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David.Lehman
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:21 pm Post subject: New Member Panel Question |
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WOW!... Where does one get one of those EFIS, terrain map, TV thingies?... That's cool!...
DVD
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My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar KXP. It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates and one was the panel. It was not in good shape so I am going to rebuild it. My question is this. What do you all have in your panels and what configuration is it? Are there any pictures that are available? |
I tried to keep mine as simple as I could.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: New Member Panel Question |
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Here's my Firestar II panel...
I like the miZer , I LOVE the EIS w/VSI
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
PS When rebuilding your panel....if you built it 4" closer to you , you could reach it better , and that would make more panel surface...
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Ralph Hoover
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: New Member Panel Question |
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First, Possum, Watch that VNe, 90 !! what! That is a firestar is it not?
Now to Jeff's question. EIS is very good and the company jumps through hoops according to responses on this site.
I personally opted for $ 600. in instruments. They are from The Sport Flying Shop ( www.sportflyingshop.com/Instr/Stratomaster/MaxiSingles/maxisingles.html ) and are the "Statomasters. Just like diamonds, you can drop a lot on glass. Choose carefully what you want to accomplish. My two gauges; E-1 EMS for engine monitoring covers two EGT's, Two CHT's, RPM and hour meter. The EGT and CHT as well as RPM are shown in numbers as well as settable bar graph. Also included is an external reset able warning lamp signal (gotta buy your own lamp). The other glass gauge is the "Flight - 2 , 3.5 gauge. This covers all flight information; ALT, ASI, RPM, Fuel level, fuel range, and all kinds of other (unused by me, information). I specifically like the VSI. Again, a l ot of info is bar graphed and the numbers are readable from the seat of a Firestar. Also the warning levels, such as ASI stall, and others are settable. (Again you have to drop a dime on your own bulbs for the red warning). They are the 3.5" Maxi singles.
I the attached pictures, you will note the engine on the left and the flight on the right. Ideal for me. And yes, that is a mechanical ASI in the center. As per my instructor, "leave it in in case electric failure". I have come to read it mostly and the glass for everything else. One problem I do have with the Stratomaster gauges with the warning lamp. It may also exist with the EIS. When your properly strapped in your firestar, you can't reach the gauges to "touch any button to reset the warning lamps"! I have advised the Sport flying shop. They were intrigued by my suggestions. The chip driving these instruments have sooooooo much extra function capability, it would take very little to write code for a momentary, off gauge push button to reset the system. I now use a plastic stick, one foot long carried on the right side of my seat to reset the gauges, or to move to other functions within the left lower quadrant of the Flight - 2.
Now if only I could convince them to add a small "gryo" chip, man wha we could have in one instrument. I do dearly love that VSI. Great information, my butt has yet to recognize. THe distance from where your head is and where the gauges are is something to consider when you think size. I don't believe you could pack more "readable" gauges into a Kolb Firestar instrument panel than I have. Refering to information displaying not quantity. Someone, I'm sure has more gauges.
Also, Should you desire, I made a template set that includes the dash panel cutout. This assumes you have the origional fiberglass nosecone and dash molded in. It allows you to cut out the area needed for the "flip down" instrument panel (some fitting required). TYhen the second piece is to lay over a piece of aluminum or colored lexan or material of your choice (I used aluminum and made swirles with a sander for dispersing light on flat shinny aluminum). The second template also has the three cutouts for gauges I have installed (members, I installed my 3.5 Mechanical ASI back in). And it also includes the tick or punch marks for the power switches (left and right) as well as fuses (left and right) and of course the "warning lamps" that are not included but avaliable at radio shack. I will lend these out for a deposit of $ 50.00. You get it all back when I get the templates back. I am not trying to make any money, but others may also want to skip the learning process of weeks taht I went through to determin clearances (remember, the nose tapers drastically), and the ability to hinge the panel to get to wireing (what a Blessing that is to correct wiring or change parts or pieces and to swing the panel out of the way in order to work on the Pitiot tube and Strobe system in teh front.
I hope this helps!
Ohio Ralph shooting straight from the hip!
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Ralph Hoover
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OK, thats it!
I saw Planecrazzys polished waxed and supurbly detailed instrument panel. But there are no markers as to what is being displayed on the EIS. Therefore, I have attached a photo, in flight showing what you see from the seat and how the legends of the "Stratomaster Gauges" strut their stuff!
But, I am not in any way saying that Planecrazys "Mizer" ain't the purdiest thing on any plane I've seen yet!
Ralph of Ohio!
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Possum, you a baaaaad boy.  Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:54 pm Post subject: New Member Panel Question |
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Here's what we had on our FireFly.
[img]cid:7.0.1.0.2.20060919185111.066358a8(at)verizon.net.0[/img]
At 01:00 PM 9/19/2006, you wrote:
| Quote: | Hello All
My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar KXP. It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates and one was the panel. It was not in good shape so I am going to rebuild it. My question is this. What do you all have in your panels and what configuration is it? Are there any pictures that are available? right now I have an altimeter 3 1/8", Airspeed 3 1/8", CHT 2", EGT 2", Tach 2", and fuel quantity 2" I can configure these so I can also get my handheld radio mounted on the panel. Are there any other units that might combine some of these gauges? I hope to get this done so I can fly it yet this fall but I have a few other things that need attention as well. I will also be licensing this in LSA this year.
Thank for your time
Jeff Nelson
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:03 pm Post subject: New Member Panel Question |
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I am especially impressed with the 85 mph climb!
On 19, Sep 2006, at 3:31 PM, possums wrote:
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> Hello All
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> My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar
> KXP. It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates
> and one was the panel. It was not in good shape so I am going to
> rebuild it. My question is this. What do you all have in your
> panels and what configuration is it? Are there any pictures that are
> available?
I tried to keep mine as simple as I could.
<yiprEs.gif><Panel.jpg>
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Mike Schnabel
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Ok gang, trying this again, the Matronics size limit bit me on the first try... i think i was 3 kilobites over... whew, good thing they caught me, might have stalled on landing and bent a gear!
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Jeff,
I could not resist tossing my 2 cents in... heres my FSII panel, designed by, not sure, either Bryan Melborn or built by him per Jesse Saxion. Either way, i like it for the most part, the Richie compass... well,,, that might get replaced someday... soon.
Good luck to you with you newly aquired Kolb!
Mike S
Manchester TN
Firestar 2 503
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Jeff Nelson <jenelson1(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote] Hello All
My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb Firestar KXP. It did not take me long to realize I needed to do some updates and one was the panel. It was not in good shape so I am going to rebuild it. My question is this. What do you all have in your panels and what configuration is it? Are there any pictures that are available? right now I have an altimeter 3 1/8", Airspeed 3 1/8", CHT 2", EGT 2", Tach 2", and fuel quantity 2" I can configure these so I can also get my handheld radio mounted on the panel. Are there any other units that might combine some of these gauges? I hope to get this done so I can fly it yet this fall but I have a few other things that need attention as well. I will also
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ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:09 pm Post subject: New Member Panel Question |
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Heres a picture of my cockpit setup if it will give you any ideas
notice the center console to mount the GPS on and the radio right in front of the seat between the legs
Ellery in Rebuilt Original Firestar
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Bill Vincent
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Hi Jeff & Gang
This panel has worked well for me, all 380 hours of it.
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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FWIW, the 'small' option is plenty big enough when using the MS image
resizer.
Mike Schnabel wrote:
| Quote: | Ok gang, trying this again, the Matronics size limit bit me on the
first try... i think i was 3 kilobites over... whew, good thing they
caught me, might have stalled on landing and bent a gear!
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Jeff,
I could not resist tossing my 2 cents in... heres my FSII panel,
designed by, not sure, either Bryan Melborn or built by him per Jesse
Saxion. Either way, i like it for the most part, the Richie compass...
well,,, that might get replaced someday... soon.
Good luck to you with you newly aquired Kolb!
Mike S
Manchester TN
Firestar 2 503
do not archive
Jeff Nelson <jenelson1(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello All
My name is Jeff Nelson and I have recently acquired a Kolb
Firestar KXP. It did not take me long to realize I needed to do
some updates and one was the panel. It was not in good shape so I
am going to rebuild it. My question is this. What do you all
have in your panels and what configuration is it? Are there any
pictures that are available? right now I have an altimeter 3
1/8", Airspeed 3 1/8", CHT 2", EGT 2", Tach 2", and fuel quantity
2" I can configure these so I can also get my handheld radio
mounted on the panel. Are there any other units that might
combine some of these gauges? I hope to get this done so I can
fly it yet this fall but I have a few other things that need
attention as well. I will also
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nandrand(at)xtra.co.nz
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So are those heel brakes? I looked at the EIS last night looks like it
might be the way to go.
Thank You all for the many replies
Jeff Nelson
From: Bob Noyer <a58r(at)verizon.net>
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To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: New Member Panel Question
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:59:22 -0400
Here's just a plain panel, good for FireFlying:
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/FF_20Panel1a.jpg
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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At 05:21 PM 9/19/2006, you wrote:
>WOW!... Where does one get one of those EFIS, terrain map, TV
>thingies?... That's cool!...
I think you can get them here.
http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/esportsupport.php
But they probably cost more than my plane.
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David.Lehman
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Yikes!... $15K!... But I'd have an IFR Kolb...
DVD
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