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rlborger(at)mac.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject: Copper Washers

Europaphiles:

Does anyone have a source for the copper washers for the banjo fittings on the fuel pressure regulator?



I hope to replace the hose barb banjos on my fuel pressure regulator with AN-4 sized banjos that I have acquired from a local auto racing supply house.  They could supply the fittings but no copper washers.



Anyone care to comment on the plan?



Good building and great flying,

Bob Borger

Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S

http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL

(85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done.  Baggage bay in.  Flaps & Main Gear complete.  Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.  Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05.  Seat arrived from Oregon Aero.  E04 interior kit has arrived.  Preparing for ROTAX 914 installation.

3705 Lynchburg Dr.

Corinth, TX  76208

Home:  940-497-2123

Cel:  817-992-1117

 



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n100rh(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:37 am Post subject: Copper Washers

Bob,

I sure would like to know more about the AN banjos you've found, for the 

same reason as you've gone to them. Are you sure you want to use copper? 

Why not the washers that are normally used with the AN fittings?



Ralph

RKHallett III

XS MG



rlborger wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Europaphiles:



 Does anyone have a source for the copper washers for the banjo 

 fittings on the fuel pressure regulator?



 I hope to replace the hose barb banjos on my fuel pressure regulator 

 with AN-4 sized banjos that I have acquired from a local auto racing 

 supply house.  They could supply the fittings but no copper washers.



 Anyone care to comment on the plan?



 Good building and great flying,

 Bob Borger

 Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S

 http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL

 (85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch 

 system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, 

 Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar 

 in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done.  Baggage bay in.  Flaps & Main Gear 

 complete.  Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 30 Fuel 

 System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.  Airmaster 

 arrived 29 Sep 05.  Seat arrived from Oregon Aero.  E04 interior kit 

 has arrived.  Preparing for ROTAX 914 installation.

 3705 Lynchburg Dr.

 Corinth, TX  76208

 Home:  940-497-2123

 Cel:  817-992-1117

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Horizonspace(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:40 pm Post subject: Copper Washers

In a message dated 10/1/2006 7:16:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  rlborger(at)mac.com writes:

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		  Europaphiles:    

   Does anyone have a source for the copper washers for the banjo fittings    on the fuel pressure regulator?

   

   I hope to replace the hose barb banjos on my fuel pressure regulator with    AN-4 sized banjos that I have acquired from a local auto racing supply    house.  They could supply the fittings but no copper washers.

   

   Anyone care to comment on the plan?

   

   Good building and great flying,

      Bob Borger

   Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914,    Airmaster C/S



	


 

 Bob,

  

 We evaluated using AN banjos and here are our findings:

  

 The Rotax banjo fittings are for use with M10x1x19 banjo bolts per  Rotax parts manual.  You can buy the 10mm banjos with AN-4 flared  attachments from Summit Racing under the Aeroquip or Earl brand.  The  washers are 10mm "crush washers".  You can get them from Lockwood or you  can get aluminum ones from Summit.  After all the research, we decided  against this mod for the following reason.  The AN-4 ID is 4.35mm while the  OEM banjo ID is 5.85mm.  The mod would reduce the ID by over 25%.  The  effects to the overall performance is unknown but we do not want to find out the  hard way.  Perhaps you can ask Lockwood when you attend the maintenance  course and report back.

  

 Tam

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rlborger(at)mac.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: Copper Washers

Tam:

You commented:



We evaluated using AN banjos and here are our findings:



 The Rotax banjo fittings are for use with M10x1x19 banjo bolts per  Rotax 

parts manual.  You can buy the 10mm banjos with AN-4 flared  attachments from 

Summit Racing under the Aeroquip or Earl brand.  The  washers are 10mm "crush 

washers".  You can get them from Lockwood or you  can get aluminum ones from 

Summit.  After all the research, we decided  against this mod for the following 

reason.  The AN-4 ID is 4.35mm while the  OEM banjo ID is 5.85mm.  The mod 

would 

reduce the ID by over 25%.  The  effects to the overall performance is 

unknown but we do not want to find out the  hard way.  Perhaps you can ask 

Lockwood when you attend the maintenance  course and report back.

I was going to make exactly that measurement tomorrow when I get back to the Europa.



That seems significant.  As I said, I wasn't going to replace the fittings until after my Rotax 9xx class in December and I had an OK from Lockwood in any case.  I will report back after I have spoken with the Lockwood folks.



I still need to get up to meet you folks one of these weekends.



Thanks for the comments and information,

Bob Borger

Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S

http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL

(85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done.  Baggage bay in.  Flaps & Main Gear complete.  Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.  Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05.  Seat arrived from Oregon Aero.  E04 interior kit has arrived.  Preparing for ROTAX 914 installation.

3705 Lynchburg Dr.

Corinth, TX  76208

Home:  940-497-2123

Cel:  817-992-1117

 



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n100rh(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:41 pm Post subject: Copper Washers

Tam,

Thanks for the info, I too have been looking at the AN fittings. I 

really don't like hose for fuel.



Ralph



Horizonspace(at)aol.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   In a message dated 10/1/2006 7:16:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 

 rlborger(at)mac.com writes:



     Europaphiles:



     Does anyone have a source for the copper washers for the banjo

     fittings on the fuel pressure regulator?



     I hope to replace the hose barb banjos on my fuel pressure

     regulator with AN-4 sized banjos that I have acquired from a local

     auto racing supply house.  They could supply the fittings but no

     copper washers.



     Anyone care to comment on the plan?



     Good building and great flying,

     Bob Borger

     Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S



 Bob,

  

 We evaluated using AN banjos and here are our findings:

  

 The Rotax banjo fittings are for use with M10x1x19 banjo bolts per 

 Rotax parts manual.  You can buy the 10mm banjos with AN-4 flared 

 attachments from Summit Racing under the Aeroquip or Earl brand.  The 

 washers are 10mm "crush washers".  You can get them from Lockwood or 

 you can get aluminum ones from Summit.  After all the research, we 

 decided against this mod for the following reason.  The AN-4 ID is 

 4.35mm while the OEM banjo ID is 5.85mm.  The mod would reduce the ID 

 by over 25%.  The effects to the overall performance is unknown but we 

 do not want to find out the hard way.  Perhaps you can ask Lockwood 

 when you attend the maintenance course and report back.

  

 Tam

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Horizonspace(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject: Copper Washers

Bob,

  

 If the AN-4 banjos will not work for you, I just thought of another  possibility.  Perhaps you can replace the banjos with straight M10 to AN-6  adapters and attach the fuel lines with 90 degrees AN-6 swivel fittings.

  

 Just a thought,

  

 Tam

  

  

 In a message dated 10/6/2006 8:39:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  rlborger(at)mac.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Tam:    

   You commented:

   

   We evaluated using AN banjos and here are our    findings:

   

    The Rotax banjo fittings are for use with M10x1x19    banjo bolts per     Rotax 

   parts manual.  You    can buy the 10mm banjos with AN-4 flared  attachments from 

   Summit Racing under the Aeroquip or Earl    brand.  The  washers are 10mm "crush 

   washers".  You    can get them from Lockwood or you  can    get aluminum ones from 

   Summit.  After    all the research, we decided  against this mod for the following 

   reason.  The    AN-4 ID is 4.35mm while the  OEM    banjo ID is 5.85mm.     The mod 

   would 

   reduce the ID by over 25%.  The  effects to the overall performance    is 

   unknown but we do not want to find out    the  hard way.  Perhaps you can ask 

   Lockwood when you attend the maintenance  course and    report back.

   

   

   I was going to make exactly that measurement tomorrow when I get back to    the Europa.

   

   That seems significant.  As I said, I wasn't going to replace the    fittings until after my Rotax 9xx class in December and I had an OK from    Lockwood in any case.  I will report back after I have spoken with the    Lockwood folks.

   

   I still need to get up to meet you folks one of these weekends.

   

   Thanks for the comments and information,

      Bob Borger

   Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914,    Airmaster C/S

   http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL

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