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kolbmark3

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 40
Location: Mt Clemens, MI

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:30 pm Post subject: firebug, jetpilot

Jim said it best:



 Y'all;



Don't y'all think it would be a good idea to drop this thread as it will 

lead to a no good end. I feel this ole horse has been whipped enough.



Jim Hauck



Enough already!!

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Mark III
Mt. Clemens, MI

firebug

Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Posts: 36
Location: Montgomery Alabama

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: firebug, jetpilot

I am with you so I started a new and Improved thread trying to locate a FireStar.

JetPilot

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1246

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: firebug, jetpilot

 	  firebug wrote: 	
		  I am with you so I started a new and Improved thread trying to locate a FireStar. 	




On your second day here on this forum you have posted the worst and personal attacks I have ever seen on this forum...  You are new here, and you really crossed the line with that personal attack. If you are sincere, you should take some steps towards correcting your very distasteful and uncalled for personal attack.   Your actions speak much louder than your words....



 	  firebug wrote: 	
		  

TO JETPILOT: There are always a few like you on every board talking when you should shut up. You do not know what you are talking about. I would hate to fly anything you have built. Yes there are areas under the fabric where you put chafing tape. There are also areas on the surface you put it, sometimes it is refered to as surface tape. Its function on the surface is to keep the fabric from being rubbed through, chafed when it is struck at a high point on the airframe. He had NONE of this, that is a sign of a poorly built plane in my opinion. The high spots are going to be hit period. You put surface or chafing tape on the high spots to double the thickness of the fabric. LOOK at a factory built Cub if you don't believe me. You DO NOT rap chafing tape all the way around the frame of the rudder, horizontal stabilizer, elevator etc and THEN glue the fabric to the chafing tape. The fabric is glued to the structure of the rudder, elevator, horizintal stabilizer etc. He had chafi! 

ng tape glued all the way around the perimeter of the tail feathers. Can you understand that do I need to draw you a picture? He also did the same thing to the rest of the airframe. What do you fly? I find it hard to believe it is a jet.

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Dallas Shepherd

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 8

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: firebug, jetpilot

You kids go to your rooms!! 

 

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edchmiel(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:25 pm Post subject: firebug, jetpilot

"jetpilot',



Please give it a rest, no one cares!  I agree with others on the list that 

you repeatedly pointed out how the covering was taken off a  'perfectly 

good' airplane in a taunting manner, not 'asking a question' as you so 

lamely assert.  You jumped to a wrong conclusion, now go get a beer and 

relax.



Ed in JXN

MkII/503

Please-

Do not archive.

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JetPilot

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1246

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:04 am Post subject: Re: firebug, jetpilot

 	  edchmiel(at)mindspring.co wrote: 	
		  "jetpilot',



Please give it a rest, no one cares!  I agree with others on the list that 

you repeatedly pointed out how the covering was taken off a  'perfectly 

good' airplane in a taunting manner, not 'asking a question' as you so 

lamely assert.  You jumped to a wrong conclusion, now go get a beer and 

relax.



Ed 

	




I use this list, which is supposed to be a nice place to discuss Kolbs, where personal attacks are against the rules.  I do care if someone posts a personal atack against myself on his second day on the list, as you would also had that attack been directed against you.  You seem very quick to say my questions were out of line, while supporting a blatent personal attack by firebug.  That is about as lame and hipocritical as it gets...

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biglar

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 457

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:57 am Post subject: firebug, jetpilot

I'm gonna hafta add my name to the "lame and hypocritical" list, then. 

Firebug has indicated - publicly - that he's over it, and ready to go on 

with life.  Why don't you do the same ??  I'm equally tired of listening to 

it.   If you've got a bitch with someone, discuss it with them PRIVATELY - 

off List.                     Lar.                        Do not Archive.



Larry Bourne

Palm Springs, CA

Building Kolb Mk III

N78LB  Vamoose

www.gogittum.com



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Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk IIIC
"Vamoose"

kinnepix(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:59 am Post subject: firebug, jetpilot

For Pete's sake, jetpilot -- just SHUT UP!



On Jan 24, 2006, at 9:04 AM, JetPilot wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 edchmiel(at)mindspring.co wrote:

> "jetpilot',

>

> Please give it a rest, no one cares!  I agree with others on the  

> list that

> you repeatedly pointed out how the covering was taken off a   

> 'perfectly

> good' airplane in a taunting manner, not 'asking a question' as  

> you so

> lamely assert.  You jumped to a wrong conclusion, now go get a  

> beer and

> relax.

>

> Ed

>

 I use this list, which is supposed to be a nice place to discuss  

 Kolbs, where personal attacks are against the rules.  I do care if  

 someone posts a personal atack against myself on his second day on  

 the list, as you would also had that attack been directed against  

 you.  You seem very quick to say my questions were out of line,  

 while supporting a blatent personal attack by firebug.  That is  

 about as lame and hipocritical as it gets...



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 NO FEAR -  If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could  

 have !!!





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JetPilot

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1246

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:15 am Post subject: Re: firebug, jetpilot

 	  Guest wrote: 	
		   SHUT UP !! 	


Its becomming very obvious the quality of the people that are posting and supporting personal attacks in the forum....

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eagle1(at)commspeed.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:11 am Post subject: firebug, jetpilot

Please make all future messages off list. Can't you get it through your 

head, that the list is tired of listening to your juvenile rantings.

      Az. Bald Eagle



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JetPilot

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1246

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: Re: firebug, jetpilot

 	  eagle1(at)commspeed.net wrote: 	
		  Please make all future messages off list. Can't you get it through your 

head, that the list is tired of listening to your juvenile rantings.

      Az. Bald Eagle



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I have been as careful as possible to keep my posts civil, and within the spirit of this forum.  Its pretty hipocritical that you would ignore something like someone saying "just SHUT UP" while complaining about my posts.  Pretty sad that there is a small and vocal group here that supports personal attacks, "shut up" and the like.    Its not the type of behavior that I support or join in.   And its definately not the type of behavior that this forum should support.



And No, I will NEVER let a small, badly behaved, uncivil, and vocal group of people stop me from posting.

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Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S

kinnepix(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:44 pm Post subject: firebug, jetpilot

Right on, larry!



On Jan 24, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Larry Bourne wrote:



[quote] 



 I'm gonna hafta add my name to the "lame and hypocritical" list, then.

 Firebug has indicated - publicly - that he's over it, and ready to  

 go on

 with life.  Why don't you do the same ??  I'm equally tired of  

 listening to

 it.   If you've got a bitch with someone, discuss it with them  

 PRIVATELY -

 off List.                     Lar.                        Do not  

 Archive.



 Larry Bourne

 Palm Springs, CA

 Building Kolb Mk III

 N78LB  Vamoose

 www.gogittum.com



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Larry Cottrell

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 35
Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:20 pm Post subject: firebug, jetpilot

 	  Quote: 	

 eagle1(at)commspeed.net wrote:

> Please make all future messages off list. Can't you get it through your

> head, that the list is tired of listening to your juvenile rantings.

>       Az. Bald Eagle

>

> ---

 I have been as careful as possible to keep my posts civil, and within the 

 spirit of this forum.  Its pretty hipocritical that you would ignore 

 something like someone saying "just SHUT UP" while complaining about my 

 posts.  Pretty sad that there is a small and vocal group here that 

 supports personal attacks, "shut up" and the like.    Its not the type of 

 behavior that I support or join in.

 And No, I will NEVER let a small, objectional, uncivil, and vocal group of 

 people stop me from posting.

I guess the only solution is to go to the "Message Rules" and create a rule 

that automatically sends your posts to the delete file. I hope that you 

never have anything worth while to ever send, because I for one will never 

be able to read it.

Larry, Oregon

JetPilot

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1246

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: firebug, jetpilot

 	  kinnepix(at)earthlink.net wrote: 	
		  For Pete's sake, jetpilot -- just SHUT UP!



On Jan 24, 2006, at 9:04 AM, JetPilot wrote: 



	




This is your THIRD post on this topic, and you are telling me to "shut up"  ?   If you are so tired of this, why are you doing your best to keep an issue going that never really involved you ?  



Its very hipocritical on your part to be posting very nasty and uncivil posts at the same time you are telling me to "just SHUT UP!"   Its a very few people like you that have done their absalute best to keep this thing going and make it far worse than it ever needed to be.  



You, and a couple others are way out of line in supporting the personal attacks and downright rude posts.  



I for one am getting very tired of the continued personal attacks by a very few memebers of this forum, it is obvious that they are a very small group of vocal individuals that wants to jump on board of what they see as the "popular" thing to do.  But what is going on here is very very wrong, and is setting a precedent.  What do you think people will do when they see that personal attacks are not only posted here, but that they are supported and encouraged be a vocal few ?  I know there are a lot of very good and level headed individuals on this list that dont want to get near this, and I can totally understand this, but I have always been brought up to stand up for what is right.  Does no one else here have the courage to speak up against these type of personal attacks and rude posts on the forum ?  Or should we just tolerate these types of personal attacks and behavior on the forum ??

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Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S

kinnepix(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:51 pm Post subject: firebug, jetpilot

Dear Jet-Jockey

I sent you only one post, and I have no idea why you got -- as you  

say --TWO. I didn't send you TWO, and I'm sorry you got TWO.

I sent you one because I was, like I think everyone else, sick and  

tired of your mouthing off at a chap who took the covering off his  

own aircraft, for his own good reasons.

When you heard about this you made some, frankly, snotty remarks.  

Then you continued on spouting forth ad nauseum. This was none of  

your business! -- you didn't simply ask a question, but posted  

insulting remarks. This is not what the Kolb-list is for.

BTW I'm not hypocritical, and that's the proper spelling. And I have  

never posted "nasty and uncivil" posts, as you claim

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, this is the end of it. You seem to  

have an attitude and I don't have the time to waste like this, nor  

the inclination.

I won't answer any more posts from you.

Are you really an ATP?  What's your license number?

On Jan 24, 2006, at 5:28 PM, JetPilot wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 kinnepix(at)earthlink.net wrote:

> For Pete's sake, jetpilot -- just SHUT UP!

>

> On Jan 24, 2006, at 9:04 AM, JetPilot wrote:

 This is your SECOND post today on this topic, and you are telling  

 me to "shut up"  ?   If you are so tired of this, why are you  

 pushing this issue that never really involved you.

 Its very hipocritical on your part to be posting very nasty and  

 uncivil posts at the same time you are telling me to "just SHUT UP!"

 You are way out of line.

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 NO FEAR -  If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could  

 have !!!

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biglar

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 457

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:57 pm Post subject: firebug, jetpilot

Ya know, Larry, from the other Larry - that is a darned good idea. 

Consider it done.                   Lar.                    Do not 

Archive.



Larry Bourne

Palm Springs, CA

Building Kolb Mk III

N78LB  Vamoose

www.gogittum.com



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Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk IIIC
"Vamoose"

JetPilot

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1246

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: firebug, jetpilot

 	  kinnepix(at)earthlink.net wrote: 	
		  

 

And I have  

never posted "nasty and uncivil" posts, as you claim......



For Pete's sake, jetpilot -- just SHUT UP!



	




Not ture.  That is a very nasty, uncivil, and uncalled for post.   



 	  kinnepix(at)earthlink.net wrote: 	
		   



TWO. I didn't send you TWO,



	




Not true again....  I never said you sent me anything.  You have posted a total of 4 posts on this subject now.   You feel you have the right to post nasty and uncivil posts, and then tell me to "shut up".  Very lame and very hypocritical.   



You claim to be tired of this, but you continue to post nasty and uncalled for posts in an effort to make this go on as long as possible.  Your actions speak louder than your words.   I dont think you are fooling many people.

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:14 am Post subject: firebug, jetpilot

Im starting to learn the rules here, slowly>>



Hi,

slowly is the operative word.  No one is interested any more in how this 

spat started or who is in the right.  The RULES are `do not flame`.



Pack it in for heavens sake. All it takes is for just one of you, no one 

cares which one, to let the other guy have the last word and just DO NOT 

REPLY.

C`mon guys. Grow up.



Cheers



Pat



do not archive 



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jimh474(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:38 am Post subject: firebug, jetpilot

JetPilot;



Do believe the Moron that you refer to, is you. If I ain't too Moronish, I 

believe you fired the first salvo when you attacked Firebug of why he 

removed the fabric from a perfectly good airplane. and then it escalated 

from there. The hypocritical loudmouth I belive in the case is you also, as 

you seem to forget who attacked whom.



As for being a spineless fool, I'll stack my life time experience up to 

yours and we will see who is spineless.



I personally think you are loudmouth spoiled brat that goes and sits on the 

pity potty and pouts when you don't get your way.



If you believe that being a jet pilot makes you some kind of hero, and 

smarter than everyone else in the world you need to take a hand full of 

smart pills and see what the real world is about.



Maybe you should consider building something besides a Kolb, as there is a 

bunch of this Old Spineless Moron Fool  in those planes. I feel sure that 

you wouldn't feel safe flying with the Spineless Moron Fool items in it.



Jim Hauck

On 1/24/2006 11:15:50 AM, kolb-list(at)matronics.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Im starting to learn the rules here, slowly, but im getting it.  We can

 attack and bash someone publically in the forum and then just say Im over

 it, and that makes everything ok.  I can live with that, and I will keep

 my post in the spirit of what you guys are advocating.



 Those of you that are supporting public attacks in this fourm, and are

 standing up in support of it, you are idiots.  For those of you that are

 just "tired of hearing about it" you are spineless fools without the

 courage to stand up for what is right.



 Im tired of hearing morons telling me just to "shut up" and take it, while

 supporting the worst personal attack I have ever seen here.  You are

 worthless hipocritical loudmouths.



 Now SHUT UP and dont complain, because Im am tired of hearing it....



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 NO FEAR -  If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have

 !!!





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