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david_a_g_johnson(at)btin
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:12 am Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

Does anyone know of a FWF kit for the 601XL and  Jabiru, other than the usjabiru kit?

  

 My reason for asking is that I contacted usjabiru  about their kit about a month ago and eventually got a reply and quote saying  they would get back to me with shipping costs. I have heard nothing since and no  reply to several e-mails, which I know they got, as I had the acknowledgement  from Outlook.

  

 If thats the way they deal with prospective  customers, what hope is there for support post-sales?

  

 Dave Johnson

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:48 am Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

Try Jim at Jabiru Pacific:

  

 559-431-1701

 jim(at)jabirupacific.com (jim(at)jabirupacific.com)

 http://www.jabirupacific.com/

  

 -- Craig



   From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave  Johnson

Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 3:11 AM

To: Zenith  List

Subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

 

 Does anyone know of a FWF kit for the 601XL and  Jabiru, other than the usjabiru kit?

  

 My reason for asking is that I contacted usjabiru  about their kit about a month ago and eventually got a reply and quote saying  they would get back to me with shipping costs. I have heard nothing since and no  reply to several e-mails, which I know they got, as I had the acknowledgement  from Outlook.

  

 If thats the way they deal with prospective  customers, what hope is there for support post-sales?

  

 Dave Johnson

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agbeyer(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:43 am Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

Hi Dave,

   

  I forwarded your E-Mail to Pete (Jabiru USA).  I know how he can be at times.  I hope he will get in touch with you soon.  I had a FWF kit from Pete years back.  It was the original one from Jabiru in Australia, and the cowls looked like crap.  When Pete was still in WI we worked out a deal to make a FWF kit because he was asked to do so thru Zenith Co.  We used my plane to make the molds and most of the pics in mounting instruction are from my plane.  I don't know what FWF system is sold by the other Jabiru guys.  I like the looks of the new cowl, and things as far as cooling and mounting work out very well.  If there is anything I can do to help, let me know.

   

  Good luck,

   

  AL from Oshkosh

   

  Dave Johnson <david_a_g_johnson(at)btinternet.com> wrote:

  [quote]        Does anyone know of a FWF kit for the 601XL and Jabiru, other than the usjabiru kit?

   

  My reason for asking is that I contacted usjabiru about their kit about a month ago and eventually got a reply and quote saying they would get back to me with shipping costs. I have heard nothing since and no reply to several e-mails, which I know they got, as I had the acknowledgement from Outlook.

   

  If thats the way they deal with prospective customers, what hope is there for support post-sales?

   

  Dave Johnson

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challgren(at)mac.com
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:49 am Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

DAVE:

Skyshops has a 601 FWF kit available for $4890.  They are at: > http://www.skyshops.org/FIREWALLFOW.htm<



Wonder if anyone knows anything about the Skyshop's CH701 kit which they are advertising as giving the 701/912 combination a cruise speed of 105 mph?



Stan

701

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		  Does anyone know of a FWF kit for the 601XL and Jabiru, other than the usjabiru kit?

 

	
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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:59 am Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

Skyshop's 601XL FWF appears to be for a Rotax, not a  Jabiru.

  

 -- Craig



   From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stanley  Challgren

Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:49 AM

To:  zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: FWF kit for  Jabiru

 

DAVE: 

 Skyshops has a 601 FWF kit available for $4890. They are at: > http://www.skyshops.org/FIREWALLFOW.htm<

 

 Wonder if anyone knows anything about the Skyshop's CH701 kit which they  are advertising as giving the 701/912 combination a cruise speed of 105  mph?

 

 Stan

 701

 

  

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n963wb(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

Greetings all,

  

 I have hesitated to speak up about the service I  received from Jabiru (Tennessee) but when I read that Dave Johnson was having  trouble I need to inform the list of my experience.  I received three  engine mounts that were not correctly made.  After discovering that the  first one didn't fit my fire wall I e mailed Pete pictures to identify where it  needed changing and also a copy of the engine mount lay out directly from the  701 plans book.  I couldn't believe it when the second mount didn't fit  either.  Appeared to come from the same jig.  I got the third mount  from him at OSH and could tell from 10 feet away that it was still not  correct.  He offered to send it back to the welder for the changes but  after two attempts at building it the way it should have been I figured what's  the point and took it and had an A&P friend make the corrections.  To  top it all off when I pried the top of my engine box the engine had been  cannibalized!  It took two phone calls to remind him to send the necessary  parts.  The other thing is he will not return your phone calls.   Bottom line is, I didn't get much service before the sale so can't imagine what  it will be like if I encounter a problem.  

  

 I even called the West coast distributor to see if  he had mounts for a 701.  Unfortunately he was just in the process of  developing a FWF kit for the 701.  When I explained what difficulties I was  having with the Tennessee branch he apologized over and over on behalf of  Jabiru.  That was something I never got from Pete.  If he continues to  treat customers and potential customers this way I can't imagine he will be  around much longer.  If anyone is interested in a Jabiru power plant I  would highly recommend that you contact the West coast distributor Jim McCormic  at 559-431-1701.

  

 I realize this is not a builder question but with  the high cost of power plants and the need for service after the sale this might  be good information to have.  After all this, I am still convinced that the  Jabiru will be a great power plant.  It has just been an extremely  frustrating process to this point.

  

 Dick Neitzel

 Sayner WI

 701 Jabiru 2200 finally  mounted

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pete(at)usjabiru.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:39 pm Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

This one is really interesting.  We have now fitted two mounts made from the latest drawings of the 701 fuselage to a 701 we have in our shop and they fit just as they should.  Granted, the first mount we made was not exact but made to drawings that came from jabiru, not Zenith.  We have delivered a few dozen 701 mounts over the last few years.  Some made by Jabiru Australia and some made by Jabiru USA.  Only two mounts made this spring were off and replacements were made as soon as we received correct drawings from Zenith.  I’m still puzzled at the fact that many mounts must have fit that were made from the same jig as Dick’s mount.  

   

Dave Johnson’s request is for shipment to England by sea freight.  We have asked our broker for a freight quote but as of today have not received one.  We’ll forward those details as soon as we get them.    

   

Jabiru USA is committed to providing good customer service.  Once in a while we let one get away from us but we remain committed to providing the best service we can.  That’s why we have two A&P’s, two CFII’s .  That’s why we offer engine maintenance seminars quarterly.  That’s why we work weekends offering Zenith 601 & 701 installation classes.  We can and do give many hours of advice and service each week and we welcome any customers or prospects to call.  If we fail in an instance or two it does bother us and we try to make the changes to address the problems.  

   

Pete    

         

  

From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of neitzel

 Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:50 PM

 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: FWF kit for Jabiru  

  

     

Greetings all,  

    

   

    

I have hesitated to speak up about the service I received from Jabiru (Tennessee) but when I read that Dave Johnson was having trouble I need to inform the list of my experience.  I received three engine mounts that were not correctly made.  After discovering that the first one didn't fit my fire wall I e mailed Pete pictures to identify where it needed changing and also a copy of the engine mount lay out directly from the 701 plans book.  I couldn't believe it when the second mount didn't fit either.  Appeared to come from the same jig.  I got the third mount from him at OSH and could tell from 10 feet away that it was still not correct.  He offered to send it back to the welder for the changes but after two attempts at building it the way it should have been I figured what's the point and took it and had an A&P friend make the corrections.  To top it all off when I pried the top of my engine box the engine had been cannibalized!  It took two phone calls to remind him to send the necessary parts.  The other thing is he will not return your phone calls.  Bottom line is, I didn't get much service before the sale so can't imagine what it will be like if I encounter a problem.    

    

   

    

I even called the West coast distributor to see if he had mounts for a 701.  Unfortunately he was just in the process of developing a FWF kit for the 701.  When I explained what difficulties I was having with the Tennessee branch he apologized over and over on behalf of Jabiru.  That was something I never got from Pete.  If he continues to treat customers and potential customers this way I can't imagine he will be around much longer.  If anyone is interested in a Jabiru power plant I would highly recommend that you contact the West coast distributor Jim McCormic at 559-431-1701.  

    

   

    

I realize this is not a builder question but with the high cost of power plants and the need for service after the sale this might be good information to have.  After all this, I am still convinced that the Jabiru will be a great power plant.  It has just been an extremely frustrating process to this point.  

    

   

    

Dick Neitzel  

    

Sayner WI  

    

701 Jabiru 2200 finally mounted  

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p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:50 pm Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

Hi Dick,



 Thank you for your post regarding poor service from the Tennessee branch of Jabiru.  Indeed, I think this is exactly what this list is for.  You need not apologize.



 I wonder if anyone can give us feedback about the West coast dealership.



 Paul

 XL Fuselage



 

 At 11:49 AM 10/3/2006, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Greetings all,

  

 I have hesitated to speak up about the service I received from Jabiru (Tennessee) but when I read that Dave Johnson was having trouble I need to inform the list of my experience.  I received three engine mounts that were not correctly made.  After discovering that the first one didn't fit my fire wall I e mailed Pete pictures to identify where it needed changing and also a copy of the engine mount lay out directly from the 701 plans book.  I couldn't believe it when the second mount didn't fit either.  Appeared to come from the same jig.  I got the third mount from him at OSH and could tell from 10 feet away that it was still not correct.  He offered to send it back to the welder for the changes but after two attempts at building it the way it should have been I figured what's the point and took it and had an A&P friend make the corrections.  To top it all off when I pried the top of my engine box the engine had been cannibalized!  It took two phone calls to remind him to send the necessary parts.  The other thing is he will not return your phone calls.  Bottom line is, I didn't get much service before the sale so can't imagine what it will be like if I encounter a problem.  

  

 I even called the West coast distributor to see if he had mounts for a 701.  Unfortunately he was just in the process of developing a FWF kit for the 701.  When I explained what difficulties I was having with the Tennessee branch he apologized over and over on behalf of Jabiru.  That was something I never got from Pete.  If he continues to treat customers and potential customers this way I can't imagine he will be around much longer.  If anyone is interested in a Jabiru power plant I would highly recommend that you contact the West coast distributor Jim McCormic at 559-431-1701.

  

 I realize this is not a builder question but with the high cost of power plants and the need for service after the sale this might be good information to have.  After all this, I am still convinced that the Jabiru will be a great power plant.  It has just been an extremely frustrating process to this point.

  

 Dick Neitzel

 Sayner WI

 701 Jabiru 2200 finally mounted

 	
 

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

I certainly do not pretend to know all the particulars regarding USA Jabiru in Tennessee, but I have usually gotten responses to emails in a reasonable time frame from Pete. Maybe the problem could be explained by the fact that just before Oshkosh this summer, Pete's right hand man crashed a motorcycle and was out of commission for a few weeks. I found this out because I was in contact with him repeatedly around that time finalizing my engine and FWF kit order. 



It may indeed turn out that my favorable impression dealing with him has been a big mistake on my part but I've been happy with his service so far.



Ed Moody II



---- Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att.net> wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi Dick,

 

 Thank you for your post regarding poor service from the Tennessee 

 branch of Jabiru.  Indeed, I think this is exactly what this list is 

 for.  You need not apologize.

 

 I wonder if anyone can give us feedback about the West coast dealership.

 

 Paul

 XL Fuselage

 

 

 At 11:49 AM 10/3/2006, you wrote:

 >Greetings all,

 >

 >I have hesitated to speak up about the service I received from 

 >Jabiru (Tennessee) but when I read that Dave Johnson was having 

 >trouble I need to inform the list of my experience.  I received 

 >three engine mounts that were not correctly made.  After discovering 

 >that the first one didn't fit my fire wall I e mailed Pete pictures 

 >to identify where it needed changing and also a copy of the engine 

 >mount lay out directly from the 701 plans book.  I couldn't believe 

 >it when the second mount didn't fit either.  Appeared to come from 

 >the same jig.  I got the third mount from him at OSH and could tell 

 >from 10 feet away that it was still not correct.  He offered to send 

 >it back to the welder for the changes but after two attempts at 

 >building it the way it should have been I figured what's the point 

 >and took it and had an A&P friend make the corrections.  To top it 

 >all off when I pried the top of my engine box the engine had been 

 >cannibalized!  It took two phone calls to remind him to send the 

 >necessary parts.  The other thing is he will not return your phone 

 >calls.  Bottom line is, I didn't get much service before the sale so 

 >can't imagine what it will be like if I encounter a problem.

 >

 >I even called the West coast distributor to see if he had mounts for 

 >a 701.  Unfortunately he was just in the process of developing a FWF 

 >kit for the 701.  When I explained what difficulties I was having 

 >with the Tennessee branch he apologized over and over on behalf of 

 >Jabiru.  That was something I never got from Pete.  If he continues 

 >to treat customers and potential customers this way I can't imagine 

 >he will be around much longer.  If anyone is interested in a Jabiru 

 >power plant I would highly recommend that you contact the West coast 

 >distributor Jim McCormic at 559-431-1701.

 >

 >I realize this is not a builder question but with the high cost of 

 >power plants and the need for service after the sale this might be 

 >good information to have.  After all this, I am still convinced that 

 >the Jabiru will be a great power plant.  It has just been an 

 >extremely frustrating process to this point.

 >

 >Dick Neitzel

 >Sayner WI

 >701 Jabiru 2200 finally mounted

 

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:35 pm Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

Isn't Pete's right-hand man a woman (Dana)? She sure sounds that way to me.



-- Craig 



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dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

I don't remember the fellow's name but I'm pretty sure he was a he.... then again, these days, who knows?



Ed



---- Craig Payne <craig(at)craigandjean.com> wrote: 

[quote] 

 

 Isn't Pete's right-hand man a woman (Dana)? She sure sounds that way to me.

 

 -- Craig 

 

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archermj(at)swbell.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

I need to comment.  I just recieved my  Jab 3300 and FWF kit about a month ago for my 601 XL.  I was concerned  about the motor mount fitting.  But It fit perfictly.  I have  contacted Jabiru in Tennessee a number of times and have been happy with the  response.  

  

 I can't complain

 

Cheers

  

 Matt

  

 www.zodiacxl.com

  

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rpf(at)wi.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:00 pm Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

Hi Group,

  

 I haven't said much on this list but I feel obligated to  chime in regarding Jabiru (in Tennessee).  I purchased a FWF kit from them,  for a 601xl, and have had nothing but good service from them (especially  Dana).   I had a couple items that were missing and I would just send  an email to Dana and the item would be shipped the next day.  Even if I had  a question she would get back to me usually the same day, depending on when I  emailed her.  

  

 Randy Ferri

 601XL  Jabiru 3300

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jerryvmd(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

I need to chime in also.  I bought a FWF 3300 for my 601HD about 3 years ago.  Pete had a partner at the time that was not as airplane savey, and did some of the packing.  I missed several parts.  The missing ones were provided with a simple phone call.  Since Pet bought out his previous partner, the service has been nothing but excellent.  Whenever I have a problem, a phone call is gladly accepted.  I find Dana very knoledgable and often she is able to solve the problem.  If not Pete or Ben usually gets right on the phone or gets back to me in short order.  Remember, they are not only dealing with engines but Jabiru airplanes and builder assist workshops.  I don;t know haw they have enough hours in the day to all they do plus handle calls from people like me.  They still have my full support.

 Jerry

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 neitzel wrote: [quote]            Greetings all,

    

   I have hesitated to speak up about the service I received from Jabiru (Tennessee) but when I read that Dave Johnson was having trouble I need to inform the list of my experience.  I received three engine mounts that were not correctly made.  

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

Jim from Jabiru Pacific proved to be energetic and  knowledgeable at the FWF class at Quality Sport Planes. Although I have yet to  meet Pete face-to-face he and his crew have been responsive to my phone calls  and e-mails so far. My engine and FWF are due by the end of November from Pete.  Jabiru Pacific is a smaller operation that the folks in Tennessee. I would say  that if you are west of the Rockies go with Jabiru Pacific, otherwise "go east  young man".

  

 -- Craig

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agbeyer(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:53 pm Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

Pete,

   

  Thanks for the return about Dave's FWF kit.  I hope that will answer some questions with Dave and clear up things with other people on the list.

   

  AL

   

  Everone else,

   

  I have worked with Pete and his crew on the FWF kit for the 601's, and I don't think you will find a more dedicated crew of guys when it comes to airplanes,engines or anythink else to do with airplanes.  After talking to Pete at SnF, it sounds like things have changed a lot from when they were in Wisconsin.  They have gone from a couple of guys to a lot of guys, and hiring more all the time.  Along with growth sometimes things slip under the carpet.  I am sure Pete and his guys don't want this to happen.  

   

  Regards,

   

  AL from Oshkosh

   

  



Pete Krotje  <pete(at)usjabiru.com> wrote:

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  Dave Johnson’s request is for shipment to England by sea freight.  We have asked our broker for a freight quote but as of today have not received one.  We’ll forward those details as soon as we get them.  

   

  Jabiru USA is committed to providing  good customer service.  Once in a while we let one get away from us but we remain committed to providing the best service we can.  That’s why we have two A&P’s, two CFII’s .  That’s why we offer engine maintenance seminars quarterly.  That’s why we work weekends offering Zenith 601 & 701 installation classes.  We can and do give many hours of advice and service each week and we welcome any customers or prospects to call.  If we fail in an instance or two it does bother us and we try to make the changes to address the problems.

   

  Pete  

   

        

  From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of neitzel

Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:50 PM

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: FWF kit for  Jabiru



   

    Greetings all,



     



    I have hesitated to speak up about the service I received from Jabiru (Tennessee) but when I read that Dave Johnson was having trouble I need to inform the list of my experience.  I received three engine mounts that were not correctly made.  After discovering that the first one didn't fit my fire wall I e mailed Pete pictures to identify  where it needed changing and also a copy of the engine mount lay out directly from the 701 plans book.  I couldn't believe it when the second mount didn't fit either.  Appeared to come from the same jig.  I got the third mount from him at OSH and could tell from 10 feet away that it was still not correct.  He offered to send it back to the welder for the changes but after two attempts at building it the way it should have been I figured what's the point and took it and had an A&P friend make the corrections.  To top it all off when I pried the top of my engine box the engine had been cannibalized!  It took two phone calls to remind him to send the necessary parts.  The other thing is he will not return your phone calls.  Bottom line is, I didn't get much service before the sale so can't imagine what it will be like if I encounter a problem.   



     



    I even called the West coast distributor to see if he had mounts for a 701.  Unfortunately he was just in the process of developing a FWF kit for the 701.  When I explained what difficulties I was having with the Tennessee branch he apologized over and over on behalf of Jabiru.  That was something I never got from Pete.  If he continues to treat customers and potential customers this way I can't imagine he will be around much longer.  If anyone is interested in a Jabiru power plant I would highly recommend that you contact the West coast distributor Jim McCormic at  559-431-1701.



     



    I realize this is not a builder question but with the high cost of power plants and the need for service after the sale this might be good information to have.  After all this, I am still convinced that the Jabiru will be a great power plant.  It has just been an extremely frustrating process to this point.



     



    Dick Neitzel



    Sayner WI



    701 Jabiru 2200 finally mounted



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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

My turn....

   

  I ordered an received my 601XL FWF kit from JabUSA last year. I've had many problems during installation, most notably involving the fit of the mount. In my case, the problem seemed to have more to do with ZAC changing their XL plans (my firewall was built to the 1st edition which is different than current versions) than it did with Jab's workmanship. Jab made a special 2nd mount for me (at no charge), which also didn't fit. For whatever reason, the dimensions & measurements I sent did not get accurately reflected in the 2nd mount. So, they agreed to make a 3rd and final mount (also at no charge!). Unfortunately, this one didn't fit either, so I had to shim extensively and use special barrel nuts provided by Jab since the engine mounting bolts weren't long enough.

   

  During this whole process, Pete was pretty good to deal with, and it's certainly admirable that they supplied so many replacement  mounts. If I had to complain about something, I would say his one shortcoming is failing to respond to emails in a timely fashion. I've had emails go unanswered for weeks, where I've had to send it over & over again until I finally got an answer (emails are easier for me due to the time difference). In fact, I never did receive the propeller and am currently awaiting a response to a follow-up email which was sent last week. So, as constructive criticism, responsiveness can definitely stand some improvement.

   

  As for the quality of the engine & the components, I've found most everything to be of high quality. There are some exceptions.....XLers should know that the supplied throttle cable isn't long enough if you plan on mounted the control on the left side of the panel. Also, my airbox doesn't have a port to connect to the engine as per the instructions (this had me scratching my head for a while). The installation photos and  instructions are helpful, and mostly thorough with some gaping holes from the standpoint of a novice like me. As with Zenith's plans, don't expect tab A into slot B instructions...but there's enough there to get through eventually (I hope).



  In summary, I have been appreciative of Pete's help, and impressed with the quality of Jab's engine & parts. Of course, consider that I'm not yet done with the installation and haven't started the engine yet, so feel free to discount accordingly.

   

  Mike Fortunato

  601XL Jab3300



      

  [quote]      From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of neitzel

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    Greetings all,



     



    I have hesitated to speak up about the service I received from Jabiru (Tennessee) but when I read that Dave Johnson was having trouble I need to inform the list of my experience.  I received three engine mounts that were not correctly made.  After discovering that the first one didn't fit my fire wall I e mailed Pete pictures to identify where it needed changing and also a copy of the engine mount lay out directly from the 701 plans book.  I couldn't believe it when the second mount didn't fit either.  Appeared to come from the same jig.  I got the third mount from him at OSH and could tell from 10 feet away that it was still not correct.  He offered to send it back to the welder for the changes but after two attempts at building it the way it should have been I figured what's the point and took it and had an A&P friend make the corrections.  To top it all off when I pried the top of my engine box the engine had been cannibalized!  It took two phone calls to remind him to send the necessary parts.  The other thing is he will not return your phone calls.  Bottom line is, I didn't get much service before the sale so can't imagine what it will be like if I encounter a problem.  



     



    I  even called the West coast distributor to see if he had mounts for a 701.  Unfortunately he was just in the process of developing a FWF kit for the 701.  When I explained what difficulties I was having with the Tennessee branch he apologized over and over on behalf of Jabiru.  That was something I never got from Pete.  If he continues to treat customers and potential customers this way I can't imagine he will be around much longer.  If anyone is interested in a Jabiru power plant I would highly recommend that you contact the West coast distributor Jim McCormic at 559-431-1701.



     



    I realize this is not a  builder question but with the high cost of power plants and the need for service after the sale this might be good information to have.  After all this, I am still convinced that the Jabiru will be a great power plant.  It has just been an extremely frustrating process to this point.



     



    Dick Neitzel



    Sayner WI



    701 Jabiru 2200 finally mounted



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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

I am glad I am not the only one I had a very  similar experience with Pete and again Jim from West coast help me . I have  an engine mount for a 701 that it might help you .

  

 George 

  

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david_a_g_johnson(at)btin
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:22 am Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

Many thanks to all who responded to my original  e-mail.

  

 I want to go for the usjabiru kit because it has  had such good reports on this list, I guess that being the 'wrong' side of the  Atlantic does complicate matters a bit and makes it difficult if things go wrong  - hence my caution!

  

 It seems that the problem was my request for sea  freight (serves me right for being tight-fisted!). I have had an e-mail from  Dana, so at least I now have a second e-mail address to chase if  necessary.

  

 Regards,

  

 Dave Johnson

  

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321PT

Joined: 23 May 2006
Posts: 40
Location: Texas

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:14 am Post subject: FWF kit for Jabiru

Stan:

 The combination they are referring to is the 701/912ULS.  It gets a higher cruise with a combination of the airbox to get the full 100HP and a more aerodynamic cowl.  Danny at Skyshop would be more than willing to tell you about it.

 PS - I have not been able to get 105 MPH cruise.  I might be able to get that if I change the prop pitch, but I am more than happy with the combination I have.  A good combination of get off the ground and slower cruise...  I'm not usually in a hurry to go anywhere.  

 321PT

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