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hansconser(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject: Senator Ground Loops RV-8

From Tulsaworld.com:



Inhofe, his aide safe after plane crash-lands

By JIM MYERS World Washington Bureau

10/6/2006



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  U.S. Sen. Jim Inhofe and an aide escaped injury Thursday when the 

small plane the Oklahoma Republican was flying spun out of control 

after landing at Tulsa's Jones Riverside Airport.



  "No scrapes or bruises. No nicks or cuts. No injuries at all," said 

Danny Finnerty, Inhofe's long-time aide, who was sitting behind the 

senator in the two-seat aircraft.



  "We walked away from the plane."



  Finnerty, reached by telephone, said they landed about 8 p.m. and that 

the plane had slowed down to about taxi speed.



  "Everything was fine until the tail wheel hit the runway," he said.



  "Jim felt like his rudder control was not what it should have been, so 

it was mechanical, certainly. As soon as we hit, we fish-tailed and 

spun around a couple of times. "



  According to the Federal Aviation Administration, the RV-8 

single-engine aircraft "ground-looped," or went out of control, upon 

landing.



  Finnerty said the plane, which he described as an experimental model 

rated for aerobatics, suffered significant damage.



  "The plane looks a lot worse than it was," he said.



  Finnerty said the plane, which he described as a "tail dragger," was 

built for the senator by a professional a few years ago.



  The RV-8 aircraft is known as a "kit-plane." Such planes' 

manufacturers provide a kit from which to build the aircraft from the 

ground up, according to the manufacturer, Van's Aircraft.



  Inhofe, 71, is a veteran pilot who owns several planes.



  Finnerty said the senator was returning from Duncan after a day of 

campaigning for candidates running for state legislative seats. Earlier 

in the day, he said, Inhofe had flown to Guthrie and then made several 

stops by car before flying on to Duncan.



  Finnerty said no problems appeared during the flight.



  "It was an absolutely perfect flight from Duncan," he said. "The 

landing was perfectly normal, and then that happened."



  Finnerty was unsure whether the National Transportation Safety Board 

would have to investigate.



  "I am certain the FAA will come out and take a look at the plane," he 

said, adding that the plane was left on the runway until permission was 

given to move it.



  Inhofe did not comment on the incident.



  The senator was forced to make an emergency landing in 1999 at the 

Claremore Municipal Airport after the propeller fell off the Grumman 

American AA-5B he was flying.



  The NTSB investigated that incident, and its report blamed an error on 

the prop installation.



  Inhofe, who was flying alone that day, also escaped that incident 

without injury.



  His plane was cruising at 2,500 feet when it lost the entire propeller 

assembly.



  After the plane began to porpoise, Inhofe made a forced landing on a 

grassy section between a runway and a taxiway.



  World staff writer Clifton Adcock contributed to this story.

nhofe, his aide safe after plane crash-lands

By JIM MYERS World Washington Bureau

10/6/2006



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  U.S. Sen. Jim Inhofe and an aide escaped injury Thursday when the 

small plane the Oklahoma Republican was flying spun out of control 

after landing at Tulsa's Jones Riverside Airport.



  "No scrapes or bruises. No nicks or cuts. No injuries at all," said 

Danny Finnerty, Inhofe's long-time aide, who was sitting behind the 

senator in the two-seat aircraft.



  "We walked away from the plane."



  Finnerty, reached by telephone, said they landed about 8 p.m. and that 

the plane had slowed down to about taxi speed.



  "Everything was fine until the tail wheel hit the runway," he said.



  "Jim felt like his rudder control was not what it should have been, so 

it was mechanical, certainly. As soon as we hit, we fish-tailed and 

spun around a couple of times. "



  According to the Federal Aviation Administration, the RV-8 

single-engine aircraft "ground-looped," or went out of control, upon 

landing.



  Finnerty said the plane, which he described as an experimental model 

rated for aerobatics, suffered significant damage.



  "The plane looks a lot worse than it was," he said.



  Finnerty said the plane, which he described as a "tail dragger," was 

built for the senator by a professional a few years ago.



  The RV-8 aircraft is known as a "kit-plane." Such planes' 

manufacturers provide a kit from which to build the aircraft from the 

ground up, according to the manufacturer, Van's Aircraft.



  Inhofe, 71, is a veteran pilot who owns several planes.



  Finnerty said the senator was returning from Duncan after a day of 

campaigning for candidates running for state legislative seats. Earlier 

in the day, he said, Inhofe had flown to Guthrie and then made several 

stops by car before flying on to Duncan.



  Finnerty said no problems appeared during the flight.



  "It was an absolutely perfect flight from Duncan," he said. "The 

landing was perfectly normal, and then that happened."



  Finnerty was unsure whether the National Transportation Safety Board 

would have to investigate.



  "I am certain the FAA will come out and take a look at the plane," he 

said, adding that the plane was left on the runway until permission was 

given to move it.



  Inhofe did not comment on the incident.



  The senator was forced to make an emergency landing in 1999 at the 

Claremore Municipal Airport after the propeller fell off the Grumman 

American AA-5B he was flying.



  The NTSB investigated that incident, and its report blamed an error on 

the prop installation.



  Inhofe, who was flying alone that day, also escaped that incident 

without injury.



  His plane was cruising at 2,500 feet when it lost the entire propeller 

assembly.



  After the plane began to porpoise, Inhofe made a forced landing on a 

grassy section between a runway and a taxiway.



  World staff writer Clifton Adcock contributed to this story.



  Jim Myers (202) 484-1424

jim.myers(at)tulsaworld.com

gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:42 am Post subject: Senator Ground Loops RV-8

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Hans Conser <hansconser(at)gmail.com>

U.S. Sen. Jim Inhofe and an aide escaped injury Thursday when the 

small plane the Oklahoma Republican was flying spun out of control 

after landing at Tulsa's Jones Riverside Airport.

  >
	


  >"Everything was fine until the tail wheel hit the runway," he said.

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  >"Jim felt like his rudder control was not what it should have been, 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  so it was mechanical, certainly. As soon as we hit, we fish-tailed and 

spun around a couple of times."


	


   

  Humm, it's not like a politician to make excuses. May be it's because he 

  just messed up? May be.

   

  

 	  Quote: 	
		  "The plane looks a lot worse than it  was," he said.

   
	


  Hmmm of course, 

   

  >Finnerty said the plane, which he described as a "tail dragger," was 

 	  Quote: 	
		  built for the senator by a professional a few years ago.


	


   

  I wounder is that legal?



  It's good politicians fly, and fly home builts, just wish they would 

  take more responsibility and not lie so much.

   

  Cheers George



  [quote][b]

lsbrv7a(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:55 am Post subject: Senator Ground Loops RV-8

Inhofe is a work, and lives in in his own reality.  When the Tiger prop fell off he balamed liberals.

  

 

  "I was a Republican until they lost there minds."  Charles Barkley

  

 

   	  Quote: 	
		    The senator was forced to make an emergency landing in 1999 at the 

Claremore Municipal Airport after the propeller fell off the Grumman 

American AA-5B he was flying.



The NTSB investigated that incident, and its report blamed an error on 

the prop installation.



   

	




Sherman Butler

RV-7a Wings

Idaho Falls

  [quote][b]

sportav8r(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:38 am Post subject: Senator Ground Loops RV-8

I think I know what you mean by "in in (sic) his own reality," but

then I come to "balamed" and I'm not so sure anymore.  Then there's

the substitution of "there minds" for "their minds" and I begin to

detect a Gummint Schoo' grad-u-it liberal bias, perhaps?



I'll venture a guess that most of us on the List are simply glad

everyone's okay, quietly thinking out the whole nosewheel-tailwheel

controversy once more to ourselves, and, while we're not all of one

political persuasion by any means, wonder whether you come in peace or

have come to troll.



I'd like to see for myself Sen. Inhofe's statement linking the prop

accident to liberals.  Would you post that here, Sherm?



Thank you, buddy.  I typed this slowly, in case you don't read real fast.



-Stormy



On 10/7/06, Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Inhofe is a work, and lives in in his own reality.  When the Tiger prop fell

 off he balamed liberals.

 "I was a Republican until they lost there minds."  Charles Barkley



 The senator was forced to make an emergency landing in 1999 at the

 Claremore Municipal Airport after the propeller fell off the Grumman

 American AA-5B he was flying.



 The NTSB investigated that incident, and its report blamed an error on

 the prop installation.



 Sherman Butler

 RV-7a Wings

 Idaho Falls

hansconser(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:36 am Post subject: Senator Ground Loops RV-8

On Oct 7, 2006, at 4:40 AM, <gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Humm, it's not like a politician to make excuses. May be it's because 

 he

 just messed up? May be.

 >"The plane looks a lot worse than it was," he said.

 Hmmm of course,

 >Finnerty said the plane, which he described as a "tail dragger," was

 >built for the senator by a professional a few years ago.

 I wounder is that legal?

 It's good politicians fly, and fly home builts, just wish they would

 take more responsibility and not lie so much.

 Cheers George

Hey, you are talking about a fellow RV pilot here who is on OUR side, 

cut the guy some slack!  Most high-time tail dragger pilots I know have 

groundlooped at least once...

Yes it IS legal to have someone else build a plane for you.  Ain't 

America great?  Think about it though, if no one but the builder could 

fly a homebuilt plane, no one could ever sell their plane, or let 

another pilot touch the controls of that plane.  Would that make much 

sense?

Cheers

Hans

tcervin(at)valkyrie.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:22 am Post subject: Senator Ground Loops RV-8

Senator Inhofe is a very good defender of general aviation and  is against user fees. I used to be a Democrat until the party was taken  over by Socialists in the late 60's. The Senator by the  way is also right on Global Warming. What happened to the Ice Age  predicting dome and gloom in the 70's?

                          Sorry do not archive .

                                                    "You can't engage in a battle of wits with a Liberal....They're  unarmed.           Tom in  Ohio  

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Bob Collins

Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 470
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:14 am Post subject: Senator Ground Loops RV-8

I  cover politics for a living. Airplane building is how I get away from it and  relax.

  

 I beg  you all. PLEASE.   Resist the urge to start a politics thread, and we  just did the global warming thing a few weeks ago and I'm guessing nobody's mind  got changed.

  

 So...  how 'bout them RVs!!!!

  

 Do not  archive

  

 Bob

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kboatright1(at)comcast.ne
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:09 am Post subject: Senator Ground Loops RV-8

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tcervin(at)valkyrie.net
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: Senator Ground Loops RV-8

Bob, 1) This tread was started by a liberal notify them not  me!

           2) If  you cover Politics for a living then we understand your left wing  slant.

           3)  Don't "Engage" and you won't get a reply.

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fstringham

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 87

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:53 am Post subject: Senator Ground Loops RV-8

To all you wingers  right or left



How is your project coming and don't you just love WINGS on planes!!!!!!!!!!



Frank (at) SGU and SLC......wiring

[quote]From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin(at)valkyrie.net>

Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

To: <rv-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Senator Ground Loops RV-8

Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 15:08:30 -0400



MessageBob, 1) This tread was started by a liberal notify them not me!

           2) If you cover Politics for a living then we understand your 

left wing slant.

           3) Don't "Engage" and you won't get a reply.

                                                                            

                               Do Not Archive



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Bob Collins

Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 470
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject: Senator Ground Loops RV-8

Wings are cool. I'm putting the empennage on, everything's going great.

Going to make the pushrood for the elevators now. Here's a question -- oh,

maybe I should ask: the RV list is still a place to ask questions about

building an RV, right? (g) -- when you drill the holes to attach the VA-XXX

to the tube, I usually drill both at the same time. But there's no deburring

possibility because if I should be able to remove the VA-XXX to deburr it,

the odds seem stacked against getting it back in and the holes to align

properly for riveting. How do you all approach this mundane task.



As for my left wing slant. I don't have one...or a right one. But I do have

a forward sweep, but only 1/32" and Van's says don't worry 'bout it unless

it's a 1/2". So I don't.



Bob



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St. Paul, Minn.
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sportav8r(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject: Senator Ground Loops RV-8

I see your point there, Kyle, and largely agree, especially with not

wanting to lose a precious privilege.  However, there are alot of

repeat offenders out there who build an RV and have hardly flown the

time off before they have it up for sale and are building again.  And

it's hard to imagine building an experimental airplane kit, even for

the tenth time, and not learning anything from it or enjoying the

process.  If we're learning and enjoying, I believe we've got

"recreation and education" pretty well covered, even for purposes of

parsing words in court.  (That could depend on what your definition of

"is" is <g>.)



-Stormy



On 10/7/06, Kyle Boatright <kboatright1(at)comcast.net> wrote:

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c.ennis(at)insightbb.com
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject: Senator Ground Loops RV-8

Thank You Bob!! and Amen. Now how about another  prime discussion?

   Do not archive.

  Charlie Ennis

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pbesing(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:53 pm Post subject: Senator Ground Loops RV-8

The easiest solution to this problem is to purchase the kit, ship it to the person building the airplane.  Have that person build it, and that person apply for the airworthiness certificate.

   

  That way, the person who built it, did it for "recreation and education."  Then, the builder sells it to the new owner for the construction fees.  Perfectly within the regs at that point.  Kind of a loophole, but nevertheless, you are "buying" the airplane from the person who built it, not paying them to build and claim that you are the builder.  The only thing is, the new owner can't have a repairman's certficate, but he shouldn't anyway if he didn't build it.

   

  One problem with this solution is, however, is that the "professional kit builder" mentioned above, now has his name on the airworthiness certficate forever, and if he does many different aircraft, then he is opening up many legal windows  for anyone who may have an accident in one of the airplanes down the road.

   

  Agreed on the previous statements, however, that if this industry doesn't play by the rules, experimental aviation could be changed significantly.

   

  Paul Besing

   

  

Kyle Boatright <kboatright1(at)comcast.net> wrote:

  [quote]--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" 

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jeffpoint

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 72
Location: MKE

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:43 am Post subject: Senator Ground Loops RV-8

Not true at all.  This is a common way of getting around the regs, not 

operating within them.  This certainly violates the spirit, and probablt 

the letter, of the regs.  If I contract with you to build an airplane 

and license it in your name, then sell it to me, you are not building 

said plane for your own education and recreation.  You are doing it as a 

for profit enterprise.  You are manufacturing airplanes for sale, 

without complying with the regulations governing such operations.



Jeff Point

RV-6 flying

RV-8 preview plans

Milwaukee



Paul Besing wrote:



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 Perfectly within the regs at that point.



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RV-6
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lsbrv7a(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject: Senator Ground Loops RV-8

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> I guess need to apologize for not connecting the dots.

   

    Yes, Sen Inhofe has done good things for aviation.  
Could he have done more? dunno  
The political winds seem to be changing  i.e Barkley.  
He has baggage that can interfere with his effectiveness if the winds do change.  
Aviation needs to court more political friends.  
It was not to be an engagement with the PC crowd  
I would like to have a better working government.  
Do not archive



Tom & Cathy Ervin  <tcervin(at)valkyrie.net> wrote:  [quote]        Bob, 1) This tread was started by a liberal notify them not me!

            2) If you cover Politics for a living then we understand your left wing slant.

            3) Don't "Engage" and you won't get a reply.

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