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sportav8r(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:03 am Post subject: alternator autopsy

Bob:



I just talked to my local mechanic.  He feels sure that replacing the

Hyundai's IR alternator will cure the problem I've described to him.

I asked about the possibility of an off-site regulator function in the

car's computer, and he said as far as he knew, only Dodge has tried

that stunt.  We will soon find out if he's right.



I figure he's going to want the old alternator for a core at the auto

parts place, but perhaps we could gut the regulator out first, if that

would be of any help to you?  Tell me what you're thinking and I'll

try to accomodate.  Maybe I can pay the core charge up front and

recoup it later when you've returned everything.



Thanks for all your help with airplanes and things electric.



-Bill B

echristley(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:15 am Post subject: alternator autopsy

Bill Boyd wrote:



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 <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>



 Bob:



 I just talked to my local mechanic.  He feels sure that replacing the

 Hyundai's IR alternator will cure the problem I've described to him.


	




I agree with the mechanic.  It will fix the problem, because when he 

puts the new alternator in, he will tighten the loose connection that is 

causing the intermittent failure.  The problem you describe is classic 

behaviour for a loose connection.  Of course, I guess the loose 

connection doesn't necessarily have to be external to the alternator.  A 

broken internal wire would create the same havoc.



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flyadive(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:25 am Post subject: alternator autopsy

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nuckollsr(at)cox.net
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:14 am Post subject: alternator autopsy

At 09:01 AM 10/23/2006 -0400, you wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  



Bob:



I just talked to my local mechanic.  He feels sure that replacing the

Hyundai's IR alternator will cure the problem I've described to him.

I asked about the possibility of an off-site regulator function in the

car's computer, and he said as far as he knew, only Dodge has tried

that stunt.  We will soon find out if he's right.



I figure he's going to want the old alternator for a core at the auto

parts place, but perhaps we could gut the regulator out first, if that

would be of any help to you?  Tell me what you're thinking and I'll

try to accomodate.  Maybe I can pay the core charge up front and

recoup it later when you've returned everything.


	


    Unless this is a platinum plated alternator, the

    core value is typically 15 to 25 dollars. He

    can just keep the core and add the core value to

    your bill.



    If it's more than $50, I'll pass but up to that

    amount is okay with me.



 	  Quote: 	
		  Thanks for all your help with airplanes and things electric.


	


    My pleasure sir . . . wouldn't do it if it wasn't

    fun.



    Bob . . .



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      < the authority which determines whether there can be   >

      < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of   >

      < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests     >

      < with experiment.                                      >

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nuckollsr(at)cox.net
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:20 am Post subject: alternator autopsy

At 10:14 AM 10/23/2006 -0400, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

<echristley(at)nc.rr.com>

Bill Boyd wrote:

>

>

>Bob:

>

>I just talked to my local mechanic.  He feels sure that replacing the

>Hyundai's IR alternator will cure the problem I've described to him.

I agree with the mechanic.  It will fix the problem, because when he puts 

the new alternator in, he will tighten the loose connection that is 

causing the intermittent failure.  The problem you describe is classic 

behaviour for a loose connection.  Of course, I guess the loose connection 

doesn't necessarily have to be external to the alternator.

   What we think we know about the generic automotive alternator

   today is that once turned on, they stay on until the engine

   stops rotating.

 	  Quote: 	
		     A broken internal wire would create the same havoc.

   Yup . . . and if the intermittent connection were in

   a low-current, control-function then no sparks or fire

   would be expected. The external intermittent in an

   always-ON alternator would have to be in the b-lead . .

   mucho heating, sparks and maybe fire. Is a puzzlement . . .

   Bob . . .

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      < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >

      < the authority which determines whether there can be   >

      < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of   >

      < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests     >

      < with experiment.                                      >

      <                            --Lawrence M. Krauss       >

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sales(at)6440autoparts.co
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:18 am Post subject: alternator autopsy

Could be the chassi brain box causing a problem also. I think 

Barry may be right about that. A lot of automobiles these days depend on the 

brian box to tell it when to charge. Yep they are too complicated.



Randy

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sportav8r(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:03 pm Post subject: alternator autopsy

The $50 figure is my own experience this spring when I bought an IR

alternator for the RV long before I pulled the Van's Honda 35A unit to

make the swap.  I was charged 50 bucks by the Advance Auto store and

got it all back when I returned the core several months later.  (never

mind it was a Mitsubishi alternator I bought and a Honda core I gave

them back).



Since the alternator has 175,000 miles on it, I'm not crying over its

replacement even if it's not the central fault in the scenario.  It's

high-time and due for a rebuild, in my book.  The engine was replaced

with a low-time pull about two years ago, hence it has about 60k on

it.  The computer I'm not sure about, but probably was original to the

chassis.



-BB



On 10/23/06, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckollsr(at)cox.net> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 At 09:01 AM 10/23/2006 -0400, you wrote:



 >

 >

 >Bob:

 >

 >I just talked to my local mechanic.  He feels sure that replacing the

 >Hyundai's IR alternator will cure the problem I've described to him.

 >I asked about the possibility of an off-site regulator function in the

 >car's computer, and he said as far as he knew, only Dodge has tried

 >that stunt.  We will soon find out if he's right.

 >

 >I figure he's going to want the old alternator for a core at the auto

 >parts place, but perhaps we could gut the regulator out first, if that

 >would be of any help to you?  Tell me what you're thinking and I'll

 >try to accomodate.  Maybe I can pay the core charge up front and

 >recoup it later when you've returned everything.



     Unless this is a platinum plated alternator, the

     core value is typically 15 to 25 dollars. He

     can just keep the core and add the core value to

     your bill.



     If it's more than $50, I'll pass but up to that

     amount is okay with me.



 >Thanks for all your help with airplanes and things electric.



     My pleasure sir . . . wouldn't do it if it wasn't

     fun.



     Bob . . .



       ---------------------------------------------------------

       < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >

       < the authority which determines whether there can be   >

       < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of   >

       < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests     >

       < with experiment.                                      >

       <                            --Lawrence M. Krauss       >

       ---------------------------------------------------------

flyadive(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject: alternator autopsy

Hi Randy:

    

   I did not say it was the brain box, someone else said that .. NOPE not that .. MUCH simpler than that.

    

   Barry 

    

  

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flyadive(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:08 pm Post subject: alternator autopsy

Over Engineering again, I see.

    

   NOPE!

    

  

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khurst(at)taroom.qld.gov.
Guest

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:35 pm Post subject: alternator autopsy

Barry,

  

 Why do you play  this game of "I've got a secret" ?

  

 Forgive me,  but I thought this was a forum where ideas are exchanged.

  

 With  respect

  

 Kingsley in  Oz

  

 do not  archive

  

 > NOPE! 

  

 Sorry Guys, that is NOT the problem. I said it before, don't you  remember ... What I gripe about ALL the time when it comes  to  planes, it is the same problem with Hyundia ...  

  

 You are only throwing good money after bad ... Believe me .. I went through  this problem for TWO MONTHS .. YUP!  I was stupid, I did not listen to my  own advice. 

  

  Barry



  

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lists(at)stevet.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:09 pm Post subject: alternator autopsy

Has anyone checked the engine ground strap?

 Best Regards,



Steve Thomas

____________________________________________________________________

 



On Oct 23, 2006, at 3:36 PM, Kingsley Hurst wrote:

[quote]  Barry,

  

 Why do you play this game of "I've got a secret" ?

  

 Forgive me, but I thought this was a forum where ideas are exchanged.

  

 With respect

  

 Kingsley in Oz

  

 do not archive

  

 > NOPE! 

  

 Sorry Guys, that is NOT the problem. I said it before, don't you remember ... What I gripe about ALL the time when it comes  to planes, it is the same problem with Hyundia ...  

  

 You are only throwing good money after bad ... Believe me .. I went through this problem for TWO MONTHS .. YUP!  I was stupid, I did not listen to my own advice. 

  

  Barry



  

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nuckollsr(at)cox.net
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:28 pm Post subject: alternator autopsy

At 05:07 PM 10/23/2006 -0700, you wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Has anyone checked the engine ground strap?


	


   Excellent! Wish I'd thought of that.



   Bob . . .

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      < the authority which determines whether there can be   >

      < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of   >

      < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests     >

      < with experiment.                                      >

      <                            --Lawrence M. Krauss       >

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FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:38 pm Post subject: alternator autopsy

In a message dated 10/23/06 6:39:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

khurst(at)taroom.qld.gov.au writes:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Barry,

   

  Why do you play this game of "I've got a secret" ?

   

  Forgive me, but I thought this was a forum where ideas are exchanged.

   

  With respect

   

  Kingsley in Oz

=======================
	


Thank you Kingsley:



Why indeed ... Because so many of you follow the leader with heads stuck so 

far up their butts that it LQQKs like the heads are in the right place.  



It is NOT a game of I've got a secret, I TOLD the secret MANY, MANY times but 

you (the collective) refuse to listen.  Do you recall what I posted?  Do you 

recall the mindless regurgitation of how I was wrong.  Well, this is just an 

example of Over Engineering and Electronic Babble.  Remember I have screamed 

about K.I.S.S. ME



I have a Hyundai, I spent two months swapping alternators, bench checking 

alternators and even replaced the battery (Didn't I tell fellow that replacing 

the battery won't help!)  ALL to no avail.  I failed to listen to my own advice. 

 I kick myself in the ass on that one.



"Forgive me, but I thought this was a forum where ideas are exchanged." - 

Ideas are not exchanged here, only regurgitated.  And if someone does not agree 

with the herd.  They are whipped with the entrails of the herd.



You know Kingsley, you are the ONLY one to question my posts on this topic.  

The ONLY one to ask.  Hell, "the only stupid question is the one not asked".  

Look at how many questions were not asked!



Someone finally did respond with what I believe to be the correct answer.  

Yet, we may never know.  Even if they and I are right.



Last hint: There are No such freek'n things as ground loops in a DC circuit.  

And what is the common metal on both the plane and Hyundai?



"With respect" - Thank you for the respect, but all I want is a nation that 

thinks for themselves.



Barry

"Chop'd Liver"



"Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the third 

time." 

Yamashiada

steve(at)theagile.net
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: alternator autopsy

FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com  wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Last hint: There are No such freek'n things as ground loops in a DC circuit.


	


Hmm... I'm reminded once again of the old adage that genius has it 

limits but ignorance knows no such bounds.



Steve

Terry Watson

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: alternator autopsy

Barry,



The false assumption that undermines your argument is that we are all paying

attention to what you are saying. Some of us get really tired of trying to

sort the wheat from the chaff and just hit the delete key. I'm pretty sure

you are a smart guy that knows a lot of stuff about little airplanes that I

don't, but this air of superiority just doesn't cut it with me and I would

guess a few others. 



I don't think it's Kingsley that has his head up his butt. If you want to

show us a little respect by making your posts short and to the point without

belittling the character or intelligence of the rest of us, go for it. If

not, don't expect us to remember just what it is that you have been saying.

We probably hit the delete key before we got to it. 



And enough with this Yamashiada crap! 



Terry

 

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khurst(at)taroom.qld.gov.
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:34 am Post subject: alternator autopsy

Barry,



 	  Quote: 	
		   Why indeed ... Because so many of you follow the leader with heads

stuck so 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   far up their butts that it LQQKs like the heads are in the right

place.  
	




Strange that !  'cause after three years on this list, I am far from

reaching the same conclusion.  If you had said that a few on this list

think they are mightier than thou, then I think I may have been able to

concur.



 	  Quote: 	
		   It is NOT a game of I've got a secret


	


Then what is it ?  Is it just that if one person on the list disagrees

with you that you then withhold your knowledge ?  Or are you the type of

person who only says things once and anybody who simply misunderstands

or can't recollect, gets ignored ?



 	  Quote: 	
		   I TOLD the secret MANY, MANY times but 

you (the collective) refuse to listen.  Do you recall what I posted?  
	




Sorry but I as part of the 'collective', DID NOT REFUSE TO LISTEN and

NO, I don't recall what you 'singular' posted !



 	  Quote: 	
		   Do you recall the mindless regurgitation of how I was wrong.  


	


NO again.  Starting to wonder if you have a complex !



 	  Quote: 	
		   Well, this is just an example of Over Engineering and Electronic

Babble. 
	




 Not what I would have called it !



 	  Quote: 	
		   Remember I have screamed about K.I.S.S. ME


	


Actually I do remember something about that but I'd rather decline the

offer thank you.



 	  Quote: 	
		   I have a Hyundai, I spent two months swapping alternators, bench

checking 
	


alternators and even replaced the battery (Didn't I tell fellow that

replacing 

the battery won't help!)  ALL to no avail.  



Well I haven't got a Hyundai so it matters little to me now whether you

tell me or not.  



 	  Quote: 	
		   You know Kingsley, you are the ONLY one to question my posts on this

topic.
	


The ONLY one to ask.



Fat lot of good it did me, you didn't answer so what was the point of my

asking ?  



 	  Quote: 	
		   Hell, "the only stupid question is the one not asked".


	


I'll need time on this one . . . . question to myself . . . . . "how can

a question be a question (stupid or otherwise) if it is not asked ?"

thinking . . . . . . . thinking . . . . . . . . .



 	  Quote: 	
		   Someone finally did respond with what I believe to be the correct

answer.  
	


Yet, we may never know.  Even if they and I are right.



????? I'm bewildered.   Are you now saying you may NOT be right ?



 	  Quote: 	
		   Last hint: There are No such freek'n things as ground loops in a DC

circuit.  
	


And what is the common metal on both the plane and Hyundai?



Ah !  well at least I now know it is not caused by a Ground Loop.   Even

I know that things that don't exist don't cause problems !!

Common metal ?  Dunno . . . . Mine is made of FRP !  Also, it is strange

how you are so touchy about others disagreeing with you but now you

disagree with many others on the list with your profound statement about

'ground loops'.  Gee, I hope they don't react like you do !



 	  Quote: 	
		   "With respect" - Thank you for the respect, but all I want is a nation

that 
	


thinks for themselves.



With less respect now Barry, please don't worry about this any more,

I've lost interest in finding out your 'Magic Solution'

To everyone else on the list that has bothered to read this far, please

accept my apologies for being drawn into this.  Have been doing long

hours lately and maybe I've just got SOL (Shit On Liver) from "Chop'd

Liver"  I'll be over it tomorrow.



Kingsley



DO NOT ARCHIVE

cjensen(at)dts9000.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:13 am Post subject: alternator autopsy

Kingsley,



Can you spell N-A-R-C-I-S-S-T-I-C?  One word can explain many things.



Chuck Jensen

Do Not Archive

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cjensen(at)dts9000.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:47 am Post subject: alternator autopsy

P.S.  You can put another 'I' and 'S' in narcissistic if you wish.

Can you spell N-A-R-C-I-S-S-T-I-C?  One word can explain many things.



Chuck Jensen

Do Not Archive

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lists(at)stevet.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:54 am Post subject: alternator autopsy

What is it about alternators that generates so much angst?.  Every  

time this topic comes up, it seems like someone on the list goes  

bizonkers.  Are these devices invaded by demons, only to be released  

every time this topic comes up?



Chop'd Liver, how hard is it to say, "I covered this in a previous  

post.  Please see the archives"?  Geeze, I don't understand the  

snotty commentary.



Best Regards,



Steve Thomas



____________________________________________________________________

On Oct 23, 2006, at 7:37 PM, FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Because so many of you follow the leader with heads stuck so

 far up their butts that it LQQKs like the heads are in the right  

 place.

sportav8r(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:01 am Post subject: alternator autopsy

That's a tough one, Chuck.  You seem to be having trouble spelling it,

too   But I couldn't agreee more with your diagnosis-at-a-distance.



M-E-G-A-L-O-M-A-N-I-A.



-Bill B

do not archive



On 10/24/06, Chuck Jensen <cjensen(at)dts9000.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Kingsley,



 Can you spell N-A-R-C-I-S-S-T-I-C?  One word can explain many things.



 Chuck Jensen

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