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Deems Davis
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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 Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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John, This must be modification/enhancement # 387, I'm going to start a
pool based on your 10's 1st flight/completion date: The earliest
selection possible is Jan 20, 2020 (That's my pick). Anybody interested
just send me $10 and the date you pick, I'll put the money in an escrow
account. The person closest to the actual date without going over/beyond
takes it all (Oh yeah and John and his family members are excluded from
entering !) I'll post the estimates/selections on my web site. 
PS. John, Looking forward to seeing you (at) Copperstate this Sat,
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - (A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
John W. Cox wrote:
| Quote: | Knowing the importance of inspecting wiring, that is a difficult task.
For one, I will not be permanent riveting floor panels. I will use a
0.25” composite panel which is fastened into nut plates for ease of
removal and inspection. I also see value in access to the instrument
panel area. I will group bundles and separate their runs so each has
the ability to shed heat independent of a specific run. There are
specific circuits which tend to create the largest percentage of heat
issues. Each aircraft is unique. Tim did a great job posting his loads
and analyzing this issue. I will never intentionally load a wire
circuit above 80% of its rated carry capacity. I will be using welding
wire for the battery terminals, starter leads and heavy intermittent
amperage flows.
The good news is we don’t run electrical wire through our fuel tanks
intentionally. I will use only aviation rated circuit breakers. No
automotive (save a nickel) corner cutting. I have already had an
onboard fire on a 1978 Ford. Nuf learned.
A separate issue is grounding and twisted wire bundles to reduce
avionic interference. All of this is best covered elsewhere.
John
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*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
*JSMcGrew(at)aol.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:21 PM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: Fuselage Conduit Support
All valid points, John.
I would like to point out that one of the challenges that I found as
the RV-10 comes together is getting the wire runs 100% done before I
riveted those floor panels down permanently and before skinning and
installing the wings. Call it convenience if you will, but I ended up
doing 90% of my wire runs through the conduit long after those areas
were sealed up. I certainly didn't make that decision lightly. I
realize that I deviated from a perfect world to make things come together.
Are you going to stay away from conduit altogether? How do you plan on
inspecting the wires under the baggage floor area?
Jim
In a message dated 10/24/2006 10:19:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com writes:
Jim, should we conclude that a heated wire bundle can be located
quicker in Van’s black corrugated due to heat shrink. And
conversely, your PEX will mask the heat increase till the wires
fuse? You were right that it is about heat. Should PEX be
translucent? cause overheated wire is insulated with a product so
that there is a marked and visible color change with excessive
heat increase. Three distinct stages just like skin burns. Tim has
some good shots. I had forwarded him the same presentation in
Living Color. It is all about identification of an impending issue
before reality sets in during flight. Otherwise the discussion
migrates to inflight backup systems / vacuum gages, fire
annunciation, fire suppression and software to identify the safest
and quick route to the ground with a safe departure from the aircraft.
Always use the lightest gage, the shortest run, the highest
quality to meet the task and to inspect for impending potential
problems. Wiring by its nature functions in a hostile environment.
John
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apilot2(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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Any particular gathering spot or time Sat. at CGZ? I'l be there
looking to gather all possible data as to whether building RV-10 is
project/plane for me.
On 10/25/06, Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> wrote:
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John, This must be modification/enhancement # 387, I'm going to start a
pool based on your 10's 1st flight/completion date: The earliest
selection possible is Jan 20, 2020 (That's my pick). Anybody interested
just send me $10 and the date you pick, I'll put the money in an escrow
account. The person closest to the actual date without going over/beyond
takes it all (Oh yeah and John and his family members are excluded from
entering !) I'll post the estimates/selections on my web site.
PS. John, Looking forward to seeing you (at) Copperstate this Sat,
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - (A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
John W. Cox wrote:
> Knowing the importance of inspecting wiring, that is a difficult task.
> For one, I will not be permanent riveting floor panels. I will use a
> 0.25" composite panel which is fastened into nut plates for ease of
> removal and inspection. I also see value in access to the instrument
> panel area. I will group bundles and separate their runs so each has
> the ability to shed heat independent of a specific run. There are
> specific circuits which tend to create the largest percentage of heat
> issues. Each aircraft is unique. Tim did a great job posting his loads
> and analyzing this issue. I will never intentionally load a wire
> circuit above 80% of its rated carry capacity. I will be using welding
> wire for the battery terminals, starter leads and heavy intermittent
> amperage flows.
>
> The good news is we don't run electrical wire through our fuel tanks
> intentionally. I will use only aviation rated circuit breakers. No
> automotive (save a nickel) corner cutting. I have already had an
> onboard fire on a 1978 Ford. Nuf learned.
>
> A separate issue is grounding and twisted wire bundles to reduce
> avionic interference. All of this is best covered elsewhere.
>
> John
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *JSMcGrew(at)aol.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:21 PM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Fuselage Conduit Support
>
> All valid points, John.
>
> I would like to point out that one of the challenges that I found as
> the RV-10 comes together is getting the wire runs 100% done before I
> riveted those floor panels down permanently and before skinning and
> installing the wings. Call it convenience if you will, but I ended up
> doing 90% of my wire runs through the conduit long after those areas
> were sealed up. I certainly didn't make that decision lightly. I
> realize that I deviated from a perfect world to make things come together.
>
> Are you going to stay away from conduit altogether? How do you plan on
> inspecting the wires under the baggage floor area?
>
> Jim
>
> In a message dated 10/24/2006 10:19:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com writes:
>
> Jim, should we conclude that a heated wire bundle can be located
> quicker in Van's black corrugated due to heat shrink. And
> conversely, your PEX will mask the heat increase till the wires
> fuse? You were right that it is about heat. Should PEX be
> translucent? cause overheated wire is insulated with a product so
> that there is a marked and visible color change with excessive
> heat increase. Three distinct stages just like skin burns. Tim has
> some good shots. I had forwarded him the same presentation in
> Living Color. It is all about identification of an impending issue
> before reality sets in during flight. Otherwise the discussion
> migrates to inflight backup systems / vacuum gages, fire
> annunciation, fire suppression and software to identify the safest
> and quick route to the ground with a safe departure from the aircraft.
>
> Always use the lightest gage, the shortest run, the highest
> quality to meet the task and to inspect for impending potential
> problems. Wiring by its nature functions in a hostile environment.
>
> John
>
> Do not Archive
>
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Deems Davis
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:25 pm Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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Why don't we try and do what we do (at) OHS and meet (at) Van's tent (at) 10:00?
Anybody else on the list planning on being there?
PS. My cell # is 623 521 2000
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Kelly McMullen wrote:
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Any particular gathering spot or time Sat. at CGZ? I'l be there
looking to gather all possible data as to whether building RV-10 is
project/plane for me.
On 10/25/06, Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> John, This must be modification/enhancement # 387, I'm going to start a
> pool based on your 10's 1st flight/completion date: The earliest
> selection possible is Jan 20, 2020 (That's my pick). Anybody interested
> just send me $10 and the date you pick, I'll put the money in an escrow
> account. The person closest to the actual date without going over/beyond
> takes it all (Oh yeah and John and his family members are excluded from
> entering !) I'll post the estimates/selections on my web site.
>
> PS. John, Looking forward to seeing you (at) Copperstate this Sat,
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - (A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
> John W. Cox wrote:
>
> > Knowing the importance of inspecting wiring, that is a difficult task.
> > For one, I will not be permanent riveting floor panels. I will use a
> > 0.25" composite panel which is fastened into nut plates for ease of
> > removal and inspection. I also see value in access to the instrument
> > panel area. I will group bundles and separate their runs so each has
> > the ability to shed heat independent of a specific run. There are
> > specific circuits which tend to create the largest percentage of heat
> > issues. Each aircraft is unique. Tim did a great job posting his loads
> > and analyzing this issue. I will never intentionally load a wire
> > circuit above 80% of its rated carry capacity. I will be using welding
> > wire for the battery terminals, starter leads and heavy intermittent
> > amperage flows.
> >
> > The good news is we don't run electrical wire through our fuel tanks
> > intentionally. I will use only aviation rated circuit breakers. No
> > automotive (save a nickel) corner cutting. I have already had an
> > onboard fire on a 1978 Ford. Nuf learned.
> >
> > A separate issue is grounding and twisted wire bundles to reduce
> > avionic interference. All of this is best covered elsewhere.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> > *JSMcGrew(at)aol.com
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:21 PM
> > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> > *Subject:* Re: Fuselage Conduit Support
> >
> > All valid points, John.
> >
> > I would like to point out that one of the challenges that I found as
> > the RV-10 comes together is getting the wire runs 100% done before I
> > riveted those floor panels down permanently and before skinning and
> > installing the wings. Call it convenience if you will, but I ended up
> > doing 90% of my wire runs through the conduit long after those areas
> > were sealed up. I certainly didn't make that decision lightly. I
> > realize that I deviated from a perfect world to make things come
> together.
> >
> > Are you going to stay away from conduit altogether? How do you plan on
> > inspecting the wires under the baggage floor area?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > In a message dated 10/24/2006 10:19:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com writes:
> >
> > Jim, should we conclude that a heated wire bundle can be located
> > quicker in Van's black corrugated due to heat shrink. And
> > conversely, your PEX will mask the heat increase till the wires
> > fuse? You were right that it is about heat. Should PEX be
> > translucent? cause overheated wire is insulated with a product so
> > that there is a marked and visible color change with excessive
> > heat increase. Three distinct stages just like skin burns. Tim has
> > some good shots. I had forwarded him the same presentation in
> > Living Color. It is all about identification of an impending issue
> > before reality sets in during flight. Otherwise the discussion
> > migrates to inflight backup systems / vacuum gages, fire
> > annunciation, fire suppression and software to identify the safest
> > and quick route to the ground with a safe departure from the
> aircraft.
> >
> > Always use the lightest gage, the shortest run, the highest
> > quality to meet the task and to inspect for impending potential
> > problems. Wiring by its nature functions in a hostile environment.
> >
> > John
> >
> > Do not Archive
> >
> >*
> >
> >
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John Ackerman
Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Posts: 130
Location: Prescott, AZ
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:49 pm Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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A couple of us from KPRC. Should be there before 10:00 on Sat.
John Ackerman
On Oct 25, 2006, at 6:25 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
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Why don't we try and do what we do (at) OHS and meet (at) Van's tent (at)
10:00? Anybody else on the list planning on being there?
PS. My cell # is 623 521 2000
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
>
> Any particular gathering spot or time Sat. at CGZ? I'l be there
> looking to gather all possible data as to whether building RV-10 is
> project/plane for me.
>
> On 10/25/06, Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> John, This must be modification/enhancement # 387, I'm going to
>> start a
>> pool based on your 10's 1st flight/completion date: The earliest
>> selection possible is Jan 20, 2020 (That's my pick). Anybody
>> interested
>> just send me $10 and the date you pick, I'll put the money in an
>> escrow
>> account. The person closest to the actual date without going
>> over/beyond
>> takes it all (Oh yeah and John and his family members are excluded
>> from
>> entering !) I'll post the estimates/selections on my web site.
>>
>> PS. John, Looking forward to seeing you (at) Copperstate this Sat,
>>
>>
>> Deems Davis # 406
>> Finishing - (A Misnomer ! )
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>>
>> John W. Cox wrote:
>>
>> > Knowing the importance of inspecting wiring, that is a difficult
>> task.
>> > For one, I will not be permanent riveting floor panels. I will use
>> a
>> > 0.25" composite panel which is fastened into nut plates for ease of
>> > removal and inspection. I also see value in access to the
>> instrument
>> > panel area. I will group bundles and separate their runs so each
>> has
>> > the ability to shed heat independent of a specific run. There are
>> > specific circuits which tend to create the largest percentage of
>> heat
>> > issues. Each aircraft is unique. Tim did a great job posting his
>> loads
>> > and analyzing this issue. I will never intentionally load a wire
>> > circuit above 80% of its rated carry capacity. I will be using
>> welding
>> > wire for the battery terminals, starter leads and heavy
>> intermittent
>> > amperage flows.
>> >
>> > The good news is we don't run electrical wire through our fuel
>> tanks
>> > intentionally. I will use only aviation rated circuit breakers. No
>> > automotive (save a nickel) corner cutting. I have already had an
>> > onboard fire on a 1978 Ford. Nuf learned.
>> >
>> > A separate issue is grounding and twisted wire bundles to reduce
>> > avionic interference. All of this is best covered elsewhere.
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> >
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---
>> >
>> > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>> > *JSMcGrew(at)aol.com
>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:21 PM
>> > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> > *Subject:* Re: Fuselage Conduit Support
>> >
>> > All valid points, John.
>> >
>> > I would like to point out that one of the challenges that I found
>> as
>> > the RV-10 comes together is getting the wire runs 100% done before
>> I
>> > riveted those floor panels down permanently and before skinning and
>> > installing the wings. Call it convenience if you will, but I ended
>> up
>> > doing 90% of my wire runs through the conduit long after those
>> areas
>> > were sealed up. I certainly didn't make that decision lightly. I
>> > realize that I deviated from a perfect world to make things come
>> together.
>> >
>> > Are you going to stay away from conduit altogether? How do you
>> plan on
>> > inspecting the wires under the baggage floor area?
>> >
>> > Jim
>> >
>> > In a message dated 10/24/2006 10:19:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> > johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com writes:
>> >
>> > Jim, should we conclude that a heated wire bundle can be
>> located
>> > quicker in Van's black corrugated due to heat shrink. And
>> > conversely, your PEX will mask the heat increase till the wires
>> > fuse? You were right that it is about heat. Should PEX be
>> > translucent? cause overheated wire is insulated with a product
>> so
>> > that there is a marked and visible color change with excessive
>> > heat increase. Three distinct stages just like skin burns. Tim
>> has
>> > some good shots. I had forwarded him the same presentation in
>> > Living Color. It is all about identification of an impending
>> issue
>> > before reality sets in during flight. Otherwise the discussion
>> > migrates to inflight backup systems / vacuum gages, fire
>> > annunciation, fire suppression and software to identify the
>> safest
>> > and quick route to the ground with a safe departure from the
>> aircraft.
>> >
>> > Always use the lightest gage, the shortest run, the highest
>> > quality to meet the task and to inspect for impending potential
>> > problems. Wiring by its nature functions in a hostile
>> environment.
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> > Do not Archive
>> >
>> >*
>> >
>> >
>> >*
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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AV8ORJWC
Joined: 13 Jul 2006
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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Working graves tonight. Arrive CGZ tomorrow after flying on a company
asset in the AM. Staying in Scottsdale for six days five nights (No
Holiday Inn for me). Cellphone 503-453-6016. Money in my pocket for
Scott/Ray and Ranae's avgas. I want to see an RV-10 grand champion
before my completion. Don't make me go to Sun 'N Fun! Oh yeh, if some
other RV-10 wins it, I will pony up for them and the Schmidt's can walk
home.
Deems - add five days to the 1/20/2020 date for going to Copperstate.
John
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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any chance of earlier meeting at Van's? I have to leave by 1030.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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any possibility of meeting at 0900 or 930. I have to be back at home by
1100.
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AV8ORJWC
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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Friday and Saturday 9 and 10 at VANS. Again at 3 for those who have an
afternoon hall pass.
John W. Cox
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Deems Davis
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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Per Dave's request How about we meet (at) Van's (at) 9:00 instead of 10? will
that work for every one. (Dave has to be back up North early Sat).
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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Nice to see the Humor! Very wonderful.
John Cox might be finished before me. My five year old daughter is growing
up too fast and the hours in the shop pass bye just as fast too.
Man that VS fiberglass fairing had a crappy shape to it. Poor tooling or
pulled from the mold way too early. There is some unexpected weight
addition in filler compound!
JOhn G. 409 finishing up everything on the tail section, everything! I
think?
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[quote]From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RE: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:24:22 -0700
Working graves tonight. Arrive CGZ tomorrow after flying on a company
asset in the AM. Staying in Scottsdale for six days five nights (No
Holiday Inn for me). Cellphone 503-453-6016. Money in my pocket for
Scott/Ray and Ranae's avgas. I want to see an RV-10 grand champion
before my completion. Don't make me go to Sun 'N Fun! Oh yeh, if some
other RV-10 wins it, I will pony up for them and the Schmidt's can walk
home.
Deems - add five days to the 1/20/2020 date for going to Copperstate.
John
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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I probably won't make it before 9:30, but no problem.
On 10/25/06, Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> wrote:
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Per Dave's request How about we meet (at) Van's (at) 9:00 instead of 10? will
that work for every one. (Dave has to be back up North early Sat).
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
David McNeill wrote:
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> any chance of earlier meeting at Van's? I have to leave by 1030.
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Deems Davis
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:11 am Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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Unfortunately the fiberglass work doesn't get any better as you
progress, the wing tips are not symmetric, and the cabin cover looks
like it was chiseled from a rock. A Special Thanks to Gary Specketer who
provided the tip on UV Smooth Prime, I'm working on the Cabin Cover
interior and just had an opportunity to use it yesterday for the 1st
time. It's GREAT stuff, applies easy with a sprayer, dries quickly,
sands even easier, and cleans up with water!
THANKS Gary
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
John Gonzalez wrote:
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Nice to see the Humor! Very wonderful.
John Cox might be finished before me. My five year old daughter is
growing up too fast and the hours in the shop pass bye just as fast too.
Man that VS fiberglass fairing had a crappy shape to it. Poor tooling
or pulled from the mold way too early. There is some unexpected
weight addition in filler compound!
JOhn G. 409 finishing up everything on the tail section, everything! I
think?
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gommone7(at)bellsouth.net
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:48 am Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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| Quote: | Hi ,please can you share the name of the primer you mention for the fiberglass.
Thanks,Hugo
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| Quote: | From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Date: 2006/10/26 Thu AM 09:10:24 EDT
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool
Unfortunately the fiberglass work doesn't get any better as you
progress, the wing tips are not symmetric, and the cabin cover looks
like it was chiseled from a rock. A Special Thanks to Gary Specketer who
provided the tip on UV Smooth Prime, I'm working on the Cabin Cover
interior and just had an opportunity to use it yesterday for the 1st
time. It's GREAT stuff, applies easy with a sprayer, dries quickly,
sands even easier, and cleans up with water!
THANKS Gary
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
>
> Nice to see the Humor! Very wonderful.
>
> John Cox might be finished before me. My five year old daughter is
> growing up too fast and the hours in the shop pass bye just as fast too.
>
> Man that VS fiberglass fairing had a crappy shape to it. Poor tooling
> or pulled from the mold way too early. There is some unexpected
> weight addition in filler compound!
>
> JOhn G. 409 finishing up everything on the tail section, everything! I
> think?
>
> Do Not archive
>
>
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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:19 am Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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Hugo,
The name is actually UV Smooth Prime and it's made by Polyfiber. You
can find it from Spruce
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/09-28290.php>. It's been
around for a long time and is very popular with the fiberglass builders.
It's claim to fame is it's ability to kill pinholes in addition to
having a UV blocker.
Michael Sausen
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Deems Davis
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:37 am Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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Here's a link:
http://www.polyfiber.com/uvsmooth/
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
gommone7(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
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>Hi ,please can you share the name of the primer you mention for the fiberglass.
>
>
Thanks,Hugo
do not archive
>From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
>Date: 2006/10/26 Thu AM 09:10:24 EDT
>To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool
>
>
>
>Unfortunately the fiberglass work doesn't get any better as you
>progress, the wing tips are not symmetric, and the cabin cover looks
>like it was chiseled from a rock. A Special Thanks to Gary Specketer who
>provided the tip on UV Smooth Prime, I'm working on the Cabin Cover
>interior and just had an opportunity to use it yesterday for the 1st
>time. It's GREAT stuff, applies easy with a sprayer, dries quickly,
>sands even easier, and cleans up with water!
>
>THANKS Gary
>
>Deems Davis # 406
>Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
>http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>John Gonzalez wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>Nice to see the Humor! Very wonderful.
>>
>>John Cox might be finished before me. My five year old daughter is
>>growing up too fast and the hours in the shop pass bye just as fast too.
>>
>>Man that VS fiberglass fairing had a crappy shape to it. Poor tooling
>>or pulled from the mold way too early. There is some unexpected
>>weight addition in filler compound!
>>
>>JOhn G. 409 finishing up everything on the tail section, everything! I
>>think?
>>
>>Do Not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:51 am Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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I better purchase those fans for the shop as my shop is my subterainian
basement beneath my house. This is why I didn't build a fiberglass ship. I
don't want to end up with a beautiful airplane but a family member with
cancer.
Open all the window in the house and blow the air out of the shop, thus
pulling the air down into the shop out of the house. Lucky I am in
California!
John G.
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| Quote: | From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:10:24 -0700
Unfortunately the fiberglass work doesn't get any better as you progress,
the wing tips are not symmetric, and the cabin cover looks like it was
chiseled from a rock. A Special Thanks to Gary Specketer who provided the
tip on UV Smooth Prime, I'm working on the Cabin Cover interior and just
had an opportunity to use it yesterday for the 1st time. It's GREAT stuff,
applies easy with a sprayer, dries quickly, sands even easier, and cleans
up with water!
THANKS Gary
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
>
>Nice to see the Humor! Very wonderful.
>
>John Cox might be finished before me. My five year old daughter is
>growing up too fast and the hours in the shop pass bye just as fast too.
>
>Man that VS fiberglass fairing had a crappy shape to it. Poor tooling or
>pulled from the mold way too early. There is some unexpected weight
>addition in filler compound!
>
>JOhn G. 409 finishing up everything on the tail section, everything! I
>think?
>
>Do Not archive
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billderou(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:52 am Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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We'll look forward to meeting the "matronics" group at Vans tent in Casa Grande on Saturday at 9AM. Just got our -10 out of the paint shop last week and we are anxious to start traveling.
Bill & Sara DeRouchey
N939SB - flying, with a few pit stops.
billderou(at)yahoo.com
Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> wrote:[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
Per Dave's request How about we meet (at) Van's (at) 9:00 instead of 10? will
that work for every one. (Dave has to be back up North early Sat).
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
David McNeill wrote:
[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill"
any chance of earlier meeting at Van's? I have to leave by 1030.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Deems Davis"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
>
> Why don't we try and do what we do (at) OHS and meet (at) Van's tent (at)
> 10:00? Anybody else on the list planning on being there?
>
> PS. My cell # is 623 521 2000
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
> Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen"
>>
>> Any particular gathering spot or time Sat. at CGZ? I'l be there
>> looking to gather all possible data as to whether building RV-10 is
>> project/plane for me.
>>
>> On 10/25/06, Deems Davis wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
>>>
>>> John, This must be modification/enhancement # 387, I'm going to
>>> start a
>>> pool based on your 10's 1st flight/completion date: The earliest
>>> selection possible is Jan 20, 2020 (That's my pick). Anybody
>>> interested
>>> just send me $10 and the date you pick, I'll put the money in an
>>> escrow
>>> account. The person closest to the actual date without going
>>> over/beyond
>>> takes it all (Oh yeah and John and his family members are excluded
>>> from
>>> entering !) I'll post the estimates/selections on my web site.
>>>
>>> PS. John, Looking forward to seeing you (at) Copperstate this Sat,
>>>
>>>
>>> Deems Davis # 406
>>> Finishing - (A Misnomer ! )
>>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Cox wrote:
>>>
>>> > Knowing the importance of inspecting wiring, that is a difficult
>>> task.
>>> > For one, I will not be permanent riveting floor panels. I will use a
>>> > 0.25" composite panel which is fastened into nut plates for ease of
>>> > removal and inspection. I also see value in access to the instrument
>>> > panel area. I will group bundles and separate their runs so each has
>>> > the ability to shed heat independent of a specific run. There are
>>> > specific circuits which tend to create the largest percentage of
>>> heat
>>> > issues. Each aircraft is unique. Tim did a great job posting his
>>> loads
>>> > and analyzing this issue. I will never intentionally load a wire
>>> > circuit above 80% of its rated carry capacity. I will be using
>>> welding
>>> > wire for the battery terminals, starter leads and heavy intermittent
>>> > amperage flows.
>>> >
>>> > The good news is we don't run electrical wire through our fuel tanks
>>> > intentionally. I will use only aviation rated circuit breakers. No
>>> > automotive (save a nickel) corner cutting. I have already had an
>>> > onboard fire on a 1978 Ford. Nuf learned.
>>> >
>>> > A separate issue is grounding and twisted wire bundles to reduce
>>> > avionic interference. All of this is best covered elsewhere.
>>> >
>>> > John
>>> >
>>> >
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> >
>>> > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>>> > *JSMcGrew(at)aol.com
>>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:21 PM
>>> > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>> > *Subject:* Re: Fuselage Conduit Support
>>> >
>>> > All valid points, John.
>>> >
>>> > I would like to point out that one of the challenges that I found as
>>> > the RV-10 comes together is getting the wire runs 100% done before I
>>> > riveted those floor panels down permanently and before skinning and
>>> > installing the wings. Call it convenience if you will, but I
>>> ended up
>>> > doing 90% of my wire runs through the conduit long after those areas
>>> > were sealed up. I certainly didn't make that decision lightly. I
>>> > realize that I deviated from a perfect world to make things come
>>> together.
>>> >
>>> > Are you going to stay away from conduit altogether? How do you
>>> plan on
>>> > inspecting the wires under the baggage floor area?
>>> >
>>> > Jim
>>> >
>>> > In a message dated 10/24/2006 10:19:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> > johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com writes:
>>> >
>>> > Jim, should we conclude that a heated wire bundle can be located
>>> > quicker in Van's black corrugated due to heat shrink. And
>>> > conversely, your PEX will mask the heat increase till the wires
>>> > fuse? You were right that it is about heat. Should PEX be
>>> > translucent? cause overheated wire is insulated with a
>>> product so
>>> > that there is a marked and visible color change with excessive
>>> > heat increase. Three distinct stages just like skin burns.
>>> Tim has
>>> > some good shots. I had forwarded him the same presentation in
>>> > Living Color. It is all about identification of an impending
>>> issue
>>> > before reality sets in during flight. Otherwise the discussion
>>> > migrates to inflight backup systems / vacuum gages, fire
>>> > annunciation, fire suppression and software to identify the
>>> safest
>>> > and quick route to the ground with a safe departure from the
>>> aircraft.
>>> >
>>> > Always use the lightest gage, the shortest run, the highest
>>> > quality to meet the task and to inspect for impending potential
>>> > problems. Wiring by its nature functions in a hostile
>>> environment.
>>> >
>>> > John
>>> >
>>> > Do not Archive
>>> >
>>> >*
>>> >
>>> [quote][b]
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:57 am Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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Thanks,
Hugo
[quote]
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: 2006/10/26 Thu AM 10:18:51 EDT
To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool
Hugo,
The name is actually UV Smooth Prime and it's made by Polyfiber. You
can find it from Spruce
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/09-28290.php>. It's been
around for a long time and is very popular with the fiberglass builders.
It's claim to fame is it's ability to kill pinholes in addition to
having a UV blocker.
Michael Sausen
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Deems Davis
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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And I'm looking forward to meeting you & Sara and seeing your -10, an
unexpected but very welcome surprise for this years Copperstate. Bill,
where are you coming from?
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Bill DeRouchey wrote:
[quote] We'll look forward to meeting the "matronics" group at Vans tent in
Casa Grande on Saturday at 9AM. Just got our -10 out of the paint shop
last week and we are anxious to start traveling.
Bill & Sara DeRouchey
N939SB - flying, with a few pit stops.
billderou(at)yahoo.com
*/Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>/* wrote:
Per Dave's request How about we meet (at) Van's (at) 9:00 instead of 10?
will
that work for every one. (Dave has to be back up North early Sat).
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
David McNeill wrote:
>
>
> any chance of earlier meeting at Van's? I have to leave by 1030.
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apilot2(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
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I'm doubly anxious to see a real live completed -10. I got a few
moments to look at Doug Petersens over a year ago. I learned, much to
my dismay, that Vans only brought an RV-7A to Copperstate. The only
remaining event this year they will bring a 10 to is AOPA Expo.
On 10/26/06, Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> wrote:
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And I'm looking forward to meeting you & Sara and seeing your -10, an
unexpected but very welcome surprise for this years Copperstate. Bill,
where are you coming from?
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> We'll look forward to meeting the "matronics" group at Vans tent in
> Casa Grande on Saturday at 9AM. Just got our -10 out of the paint shop
> last week and we are anxious to start traveling.
>
> Bill & Sara DeRouchey
> N939SB - flying, with a few pit stops.
> billderou(at)yahoo.com
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