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Carlos Sa

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject: Test Flight - crew?

But are you allowed to have crew?



Carlos

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject: Test Flight - crew?

If you document by showing pictures or in a diary, you can have another person in the fly off psigns off and you show documentation.



Juan

601xl Tampa



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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject: Test Flight - crew?

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Carlos-

   I believe the rules specify that other crew can be on board if "they are 

part of a required crew".  I do not think that covers the 601 or 701



George May

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:42 pm Post subject: Test Flight - crew?

Of course my 601XL requires two crew members - I have dual sticks! 



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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:54 pm Post subject: Test Flight - crew?

Dudes and dudettes,



If your wife helps build the plane or, partner to be PC,  if you can show the DAR proof with pictures, you can fly with that other person since they are also deamed the manufacturer.  Good flying joke below sent yesterday from 95 year old Grandfather with 10,000 hours under his belt.



see below



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A tourist walked into a pet store and was looking at the animals

on display. While he was there, a Chief Master Sergeant (CMSGT)

from the local airfield walked in and said to the shopkeeper,

"I'll take a maintenance monkey, please."



The man nodded, went to a cage at the side of the store and took out a

monkey. He put a collar and leash on the animal and handed it the CMSGT,

saying, "That'll be $5,000."



The CMSGT paid and left with the monkey. Surprised, the tourist went to

the shopkeeper and said, "That was a very expensive monkey. Most of them

are only a few hundred dollars. Why did that one cost so much?"



The shopkeeper answered, "Ah, that was a maintenance monkey. He can rig

aircraft flight controls, score 95 on the AF CDC test, perform the

duties of any MX officer with no back talk or complaints. It's well

worth the money."



The tourist spotted a monkey in another cage. "That one's even more

expensive-- $10,000! What does it do?"



"Oh, that one is a 'Maintenance Supervisor' monkey! It can instruct at

all levels of maintenance, supervise maintenance at the unit,

intermediate and Depot level, and even do most of the paperwork. A very

useful monkey indeed," replied the shopkeeper.



The tourist looked around a little longer and found a third monkey in a

cage. The price tag read, "$100,000." The shocked tourist exclaimed,

"That one costs more than all the others put together! What in the world

could it do?"



"Well, I've never actually seen him do anything but drink beer and play

with his dick, but his papers say he's a pilot!"



Juan

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:56 pm Post subject: Test Flight - crew?

I asked my local FSDO this exact same question before I flew the 'Beast". Their response was, "if a second persen is needed to safely perform the first flight then a crew is approved". They had followed my building process and was aware of N801BH's unique powerplant. My final decision was to fly it myself in case it broke in half, that way I would be the only fatality. Your local FAA office probably will have a different decision.  

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Ben Haas

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www.haaspowerair.com

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Carlos-

   I believe the rules specify that other crew can be on board if "they are 

part of a required crew".  I do not think that covers the 601 or 701

George May

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:56 pm Post subject: Test Flight - crew?

since I fly with my wife, she is a right hand seat driver, hence why God created cars with a wheel on one side, not a wheel in the middle!  I put in stick(s) but don't tell her, I do like the y stick.



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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Test Flight - crew?

If you document that the aircraft requires a crew of two you will never be able to fly it alone. Call the EAA or the FSDO.

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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:36 am Post subject: Test Flight - crew?

Seriously (for a change),



When I test fly my 601XL (sometime in this lifetime) I don't plan to wait 40 

hours to calibrate my AOA system on the EFIS. That flight will require a 

crew member in the right seat to get the calibration done. The rule is 

pretty simple.... it's the interpretation that gets sticky. If you are not 

stretching the rules just to carry a passenger before completing your test 

flight hours, then I think you are covered. If you are playing fast and 

loose with the rules, you are in violation.



Ed Moody II



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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:47 am Post subject: Test Flight - crew?

Gig, I believe the rule is mission specific. If you document that the 

particular mission of the flight (such as AOA calibration in my previous 

example) requires a crew of two, then you are legal. Agreed, whenever that 

mission is flown throughout the service life of the plane, two souls onboard 

would be a legal requirement unless the experimental craft has been changed 

(and documented) such that a solo pilot could handle it safely.



Ed

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