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n914va(at)bvunet.net
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:06 am Post subject: Before the top goes on

One other issue. The starboard end of the elevator  torque tube needs to be raised abou 1/4" in order to make it level with the  fuselage sides. I'm assuming that if I I bond the top on with it raised to  level. It will stay level after all has cured. Am I correct?

  

 Vaughn Teegarden

  

 N914VA

 Does anyone know where I can obtain a reasonably  priced 914?



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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:34 am Post subject: Before the top goes on

Yes but also put a straight edge along the RH trailing edge of the fin. 

That needs to be straight.

BTW Don't glue the top on until everything is in, elevator deflections 

set up flaps and wings set up too. Those jobs are awful with the top on.

If its a tri I would put the gear in too, but that's just my opinion.

Graham



Europa List wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   One other issue. The starboard end of the elevator torque tube needs 

 to be raised abou 1/4" in order to make it level with the fuselage 

 sides. I'm assuming that if I I bond the top on with it raised to 

 level. It will stay level after all has cured. Am I correct?

  

 Vaughn Teegarden

  

 N914VA

 Does anyone know where I can obtain a reasonably priced 914?

topglock(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:41 am Post subject: Before the top goes on

Vaughn,

 

 If your cockpit module is properly installed, the top of the tank compartment should be level.  I leveled the lower fuse, at that point and then used a level on the torque tube to set it.  I found that the sides of the fuse, at the rear were a bit out, when checking against the front.  Once the bearings are bonded into place, they will stay, without a problem.  Be sure to spread the two sides of the fuse, to match the proper width, before setting the bearings...

 

 Jeff - Baby Blue

 231 hours

 

 Europa List wrote:

 [quote]               One other issue. The starboard end of the elevator torque tube needs to be raised abou 1/4" in order to make it level with the fuselage sides. I'm assuming that if I I bond the top on with it raised to level. It will stay level after all has cured. Am I correct?

    

   Vaughn Teegarden

    

   N914VA

   Does anyone know where I can obtain a reasonably priced 914?

   

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wdaniell(at)etb.net.co
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:10 am Post subject: Before the top goes on

I'm about to confront this task.



And I have considered with trepidation putting the (tri) gear in with the

top on.



Europa says that without the top on the fuse is insufficiently rigid to set

up the wings properly.  They do say that you can cleco the top on.  Any

comments?   What have others done?



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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:14 am Post subject: Before the top goes on

Most professional builders do it with the top clecoed on. IMHO once the 

cokpit module is in that section of the fuse is rigid enough, its only 

floppy from behind the luggage bay bulkhead. It is infinitely easier to 

work inside with the top off, just cleco it on for resin cure.

Graham

get a second opinion 



William Daniell wrote:



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I'm about to confront this task.



And I have considered with trepidation putting the (tri) gear in with the

top on.



Europa says that without the top on the fuse is insufficiently rigid to set

up the wings properly.  They do say that you can cleco the top on.  Any

comments?   What have others done?

n914va(at)bvunet.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: Before the top goes on

I am presently scuff-sanding the mating surfaces  prior to bonding the top on the fuselage. Would it be wise to lock down all the  adjustments for the elevators and trim tab before doing that. All travel  measurements check out according to the manual. Other than safety wiring the  turnbuckles for the mass-balance arm, I can't think of anything else to do  before it starts to look like an airplane.

  

 Vaughn Teegarden

  

 N914VA (looking more like a 912ULS all the  time)

 Does anyone need a 914 firewall  forward kit?

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n914va(at)bvunet.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:45 pm Post subject: Before the top goes on

Thanks to all for the hints. I will safety wire the  mass balance arm turnbuckles. tighten all control adjustments, and tweak the  already installed torque tube level before bonding on the top. I'm also trying  to think of any places that might need to be scuff-sanded later so that I can do  them while it is still two halves. Wings are in and check out to near perfection  thanks to previous builder. I would say that they were installed perfectly, but  my years as an engineer do not permit me to do so. Have strived but never  achieved.

  

 Engine to be determined at a later  date.

  

 Vaughn Teegarden

 N914VA

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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:36 pm Post subject: Before the top goes on

Have you got the capping strips on the bulkheads and the balance weight 

guides?

Way I do it is do splash layups where the bulkheads etc will bond to the 

top skin. After cure cleco on the top and flox the strips to the 

bulkheads, wait for the flox to cure then crack the cap strips off the 

top skin and take the top off. Now you can do the corner layups in 

comfort. When you finally Redux on the top, you can redux on the cap 

strips and not have to worry about the corner layups.

Have a look at Paul Stewart's pictures on the Flyer website.

Graham



Europa List wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Thanks to all for the hints. I will safety wire the mass balance arm 

 turnbuckles. tighten all control adjustments, and tweak the already 

 installed torque tube level before bonding on the top. I'm also trying 

 to think of any places that might need to be scuff-sanded later so 

 that I can do them while it is still two halves. Wings are in and 

 check out to near perfection thanks to previous builder. I would say 

 that they were installed perfectly, but my years as an engineer do not 

 permit me to do so. Have strived but never achieved.

  

 Engine to be determined at a later date.

  

 Vaughn Teegarden

 N914VA



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jeff(at)rmmm.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject: Before the top goes on

Hi Vaughn,

Back your thoughts back from your perfect completed panel/plane. 

Imagine everything you desire in it and then think of all the wires, 

cables, connectors, and bonded on tie downs to support them. Then if 

you don't have anything else to do, close it. If your like me you'll 

still have 5 or 10 more things later that will cause you to be saying 

man... this sure would be easier if the top was off.

Best Regards,

Jeff

N128LJ / Gold Rush.  55 Hours of Flying Fun!

On Nov 3, 2006, at 8:36 AM, Europa List wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   I am presently scuff-sanding the mating surfaces prior to bonding the 

 top on the fuselage. Would it be wise to lock down all the adjustments 

 for the elevators and trim tab before doing that. All travel 

 measurements check out according to the manual. Other than safety 

 wiring the turnbuckles for the mass-balance arm, I can't think of 

 anything else to do before it starts to look like an airplane.

  

 Vaughn Teegarden

  

 N914VA (looking more like a 912ULS all the time)

 Does anyone need a 914 firewall forward kit?

g-iani(at)ntlworld.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:15 am Post subject: Before the top goes on

As Graham has said with the tunnel in the fuse is already fairly stiff.



I did the whole of the tri gear main wheels with the top off.  The fuse

was on a wooden jig ( see

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~cpops/cradle.htm ) to support the tail

and the top was clecoed in place to check alignment when needed.

Everything came out just right.



Ian Rickard  #505 G-IANI XS Trigear

Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)

e-mail mods(at)europaclub.org.uk   

   or direct g-iani(at)ntlworld.com

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wdaniell(at)etb.net.co
Guest

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:52 am Post subject: Before the top goes on

I have already done something similar with vinilester formed over the belly

but did not include the tail support – which was a mistake given how

difficult it is to turn over.



I also like your “½ turn-over” design to get at the belly.



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EuropaXSA276(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:37 am Post subject: Before the top goes on

In a message dated 11/3/2006 10:35:47 AM Central Standard Time, grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com writes:

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		  (If its a tri I would put the gear in too, but that's just my opinion.

Graham) 	
 Excellent advise Gram.

 I found installing in the support ribs and lay-up to be a 70 hour job. According to Andy, so long as the fuselage is supported in a good cradle, it is acceptable do the job with the top off. 

  

 

  

 Brian Skelly

Europa XS TriGear #A276

North Texas USA

You can see my build photos at:

http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS

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wdaniell(at)etb.net.co
Guest

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:11 pm Post subject: Before the top goes on

It looked like a really pleasant job with the top on…  

   

Thanks  

   

Will  

         

  

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of EuropaXSA276(at)aol.com

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In a message dated 11/3/2006 10:35:47 AM Central Standard Time, grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com writes:  

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(If its a tri I would put the gear in too, but that's just my opinion.

 Graham)  	
    

Excellent advise Gram.  

    

I found installing in the support ribs and lay-up to be a 70 hour job. According to Andy, so long as the fuselage is supported in a good cradle, it is acceptable do the job with the top off.   

    

   

    

   

    

Brian Skelly

 Europa XS TriGear #A276

 North Texas USA

 You can see my build photos at:

 http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS  

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Dave Miller

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:00 am Post subject: Before the top goes on

Vaughn, 

 

Check out  www.rotec.com. 

Based in Vancouver B.C., they are a Rotax dealer and are offering some re-built  to factory spec 914's. 

 

If the price is right it might be an option. 

 

Dave C-FBZI  

 

 

    "Europa List" <n914va(at)bvunet.net> 

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11/03/2006 10:04 AM 

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One other issue. The starboard end of the elevator torque tube needs to be raised abou 1/4" in order to make it level with the fuselage sides. I'm assuming that if I I bond the top on with it raised to level. It will stay level after all has cured. Am I correct? 

  

Vaughn Teegarden 

  

N914VA 

Does anyone know where I can obtain a reasonably priced 914? 



 

 

  

 

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pete(at)lawless.info
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:45 am Post subject: Before the top goes on

Morning Vaughn  

   

Have you done a trial fit of the top, temporarily fixed in position with self tapers?  When I did that on my Classic I discovered nothing down the back was square and ended up having to cut out and remake the rear bulkhead to get the torque tube level.   

   

Regards  

   

Pete  

   

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