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deanpichon(at)msn.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

Hi All,



I just received some new Champion spark plugs and would like to know if they 

come pre-gapped.  I am reluctant to open the moisture-proof packaging to 

check.  Does anyone out there know whether or not these arrive ready to 

install?



Thanks,



Dean Pichon



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FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

In a message dated 11/2/06 5:50:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, 

deanpichon(at)msn.com writes:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi All,

  

  I just received some new Champion spark plugs and would like to know if 

they 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   

  come pre-gapped.  I am reluctant to open the moisture-proof packaging to 

  check.  Does anyone out there know whether or not these arrive ready to 

  install?

  

  Thanks,

  

  Dean Pichon

========================
	


Dean:



It does not matter if they WERE gapped or not.  You are supposed to check the 

gap BEFORE you install them.  Pull out your gapping tool and gage.



Barry

"Chop'd Liver"

nandrand(at)xtra.co.nz
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

Hi team. people who ask dum questions like this should not be flying 

aircraft!!!!  Noel

---

Bruce(at)glasair.org
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:06 pm Post subject: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

I see that the old hangar rats never sent you for a bucket of prop wash. Cut

the guy some slack.



Bruce

www.glasair.org

 



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skylor4(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:07 pm Post subject: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

And who are you to respond in such a pompous manner? 

Isn't the list supposed to be a place where people ask

questions?



And before you accuse other's of being "dum" at least

learn to spell!



And,



DO NOT ARCHIVE!



Skylor



--- noel anderson <nandrand(at)xtra.co.nz> wrote:



[quote] 

 <nandrand(at)xtra.co.nz>

 

 Hi team. people who ask dum questions like this

 should not be flying 

 aircraft!!!!  Noel

 ---

skylor4(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:07 pm Post subject: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

And who are you to respond in such a pompous manner? 

Isn't the list supposed to be a place where people ask

questions?



And before you accuse other's of being "dum" at least

learn to spell!



And,



DO NOT ARCHIVE!



Skylor



--- noel anderson <nandrand(at)xtra.co.nz> wrote:



[quote] 

 <nandrand(at)xtra.co.nz>

 

 Hi team. people who ask dum questions like this

 should not be flying 

 aircraft!!!!  Noel

 ---

skylor4(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:07 pm Post subject: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

And who are you to respond in such a pompous manner? 

Isn't the list supposed to be a place where people ask

questions?



And before you accuse other's of being "dum" at least

learn to spell!



And,



DO NOT ARCHIVE!



Skylor



--- noel anderson <nandrand(at)xtra.co.nz> wrote:



[quote] 

 <nandrand(at)xtra.co.nz>

 

 Hi team. people who ask dum questions like this

 should not be flying 

 aircraft!!!!  Noel

 ---

ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

noel anderson wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Hi team. people who ask dum questions like this should not be flying 

 aircraft!!!!  Noel 


	




http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&defl=en&q=define:Dum&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title



 From a Google definition search for 'dum':



# Also known as khaffarah. This is the atonement required of a pilgrim for 

a willful violation of a prohibition or obligation whilst in the state 

of Ihram.

www.ummah.net/hajj/glossary/ 

<http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=0&oi=define&q=http://www.ummah.net/hajj/glossary/&usg=__deWCe8cu7SCE5TIGHKxXjoszR9M=>

# Steam cooking. Long before the west invented the pressure cooker India 

had her own method which lasts to this day. A pot with a close fitting 

lid is sealed with a ring of dough. The ingredients are then cooked in 

their own steam under some pressure.

www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Island/3012/glossary.htm 

<http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=1&oi=define&q=http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Island/3012/glossary.htm&usg=__umFnyvY35KmAUc3bt2yc9iwB_7o=>



Hmmm; maybe *that's* why some people say 'there are no dum questions'.

Bruce(at)glasair.org
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

Now that everyone is arguing over how stupid your question was, I'll answer

it.

If you're just starting out on your aviation experience, there's one very

important word your going to have to learn to apply, very often. That word

is PRUDENT. Now I'm sure Champion gaps the plugs before they leave the

factory by either an automated process or some poor smuck sitting there with

a gaping tool. But, because it's your butt on the line, do you want to trust

this process? Nope, it's prudent for you to check the gap of your plugs with

a feeler gage before you install them. 

If you start looking around in the maintenance shops, you'll see that even

after removing new parts from the factory boxes, good mechanics will inspect

them visually and if dimensionally critical, they will pull the spec sheet

and check them for tolerance. Again, just being prudent.

Bruce

www.glasair.org

 	  Quote: 	

 In a message dated 11/2/06 5:50:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,

 deanpichon(at)msn.com writes:

> Hi All,

>

>  I just received some new Champion spark plugs and would like to know if

 they

>

>  come pre-gapped.  I am reluctant to open the moisture-proof packaging to

>  check.  Does anyone out there know whether or not these arrive ready to

>  install?

>

>  Thanks,

>

>  Dean Pichon

 ========================

 Dean:

 It does not matter if they WERE gapped or not.  You are supposed to check 

 the

 gap BEFORE you install them.  Pull out your gapping tool and gage.

 Barry

 "Chop'd Liver"

 --

jhstarn(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

 	  Quote: 	
		   Isn't the list supposed to be a place where people ask

 questions?


	


ABSOLUTELY.... As my ole pappy yousta say: "In life you can ask ANY question 

and maybe look foolish for a moment, or remain silent and be ignorant for 

the rest of your life". Keep asking questions, the folks on these lists are 

helpful & a great source of information and knowledge.

The newsletter editor of our EAA Chapter has a gaper tool AND a sparkplug 

cleaner/tester. Plus he'll teach ya how to use them. He travels the world in 

his job BUT his wife (just completing her A&P) will open up the hanger with 

just a phone call. We here at Apple Valley, APV, rag on each other ALL the 

time, but if ya'll ever need a hand, ya best move quickly or the "helpers" 

will run ya over.      KABONG   8*)  Do Not Archive.



BUT checking gap AND testing spark is something we do even with new ones, 

have found that NEW ones can be BAD even if gapped properly.

FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

And who are you to respond in such a pompous manner? 

Isn't the list supposed to be a place where people ask

questions?



And before you accuse other's of being "dum" at least

learn to spell!



And,



DO NOT ARCHIVE!



Skylor

===================================

Skylor:



I wish you would have cut & pasted a bit better.  You attached my response to 

that of someone else's.  Please don't tie me up in your spelling contest.  I 

know I can't spell and neither can my computer no matter how hard I pound on 

the keys.



Barry

pbesing(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:21 pm Post subject: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

Are you serious??  This is what the list is for.  I've asked this question before, as I am sure many new airplane owners would.  Actually, I would think someone was rather intelligent to ask this question, to be sure that he/she is installing them properly and wants to make sure that the engine performs as it should.

   

  People on this list who say that others ask "dum" questions, shouldn't be allowed to answer such "dum" questions.

   

  do not archive.

   

  Paul Besing



noel anderson <nandrand(at)xtra.co.nz> wrote:

  [quote]--> RV-List message posted by: "noel anderson" 



Hi team. people who ask dum questions like this should not be flying 

aircraft!!!! Noel

---

Bob Perkinson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 51
Location: Hendersonville, Tennessee

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

My uncle ordered popovers 

from the restaurant's bill of fare. 

And when they were served, 

he regarded them 

with a penetrating stare . . . 

Then he spoke great Words of Wisdom 

as he sat there on that chair: 

"To eat these things," 

said my uncle, 

"you must exercise great care. 

You may swallow down what's solid . . . 

BUT . . . 

you must spit out the air!"

And . . . 

as you partake of the world's bill of fare, 

that's darned good advice to follow. 

Do a lot of spitting out the hot air. 

And be careful what you swallow

No Dumb Questions  Only Dumb Answers,  Take Care of yourself



DO Not Archive



Bob Perkinson

Hendersonville, TN.

RV9 N658RP Reserved

If nothing changes

Nothing changes

  





And who are you to respond in such a pompous manner? 

Isn't the list supposed to be a place where people ask

questions?



And before you accuse other's of being "dum" at least

learn to spell!



And,



DO NOT ARCHIVE!

Terry Watson

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:08 pm Post subject: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

Noel, I've been on this list for maybe eight years now, and that's the

dumbest comment I have seen yet. God, I hope you don't consider yourself a

pilot!



Terry



Do Not Archive



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nandrand(at)xtra.co.nz
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:53 am Post subject: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

OK Guys. If I have offened anybody I'm sorry, but it seems to be self 

evident that we check our spark plugs before installing them,  (and any 

other item of equipment)  as I have been doing for the last 60yrs!!! One of 

Murphy's Laws states that, if anything can go wrong, it will go wrong!!



Kind regards  Noel   ( PS. I'm not pompous when you get to know me, I think 

you got me at a "senior moment," and yes, the spelling was dumb  )

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Jekyll

Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Posts: 44

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:19 am Post subject: Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

What exactly does the knowledge of spark glug gapping have on one's ability to safely fly an aircraft? 



I'll wagger it has as much bearing on flying as the skill of using an E6B has for an A&P to maintain spark plugs.



Jekyll

FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:11 am Post subject: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

In a message dated 11/3/06 10:22:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, rcitjh(at)aol.com 

writes:



 	  Quote: 	
		   I'll wagger it has as much bearing on flying as the skill of using an E6B 

has 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   for an A&P to maintain spark plugs.

  

  Jekyll

=======================
	


Well, I can tell you without a doubt.  That any E6B that will fit between the 

electrode and the core of a spark plug ... Well, that spark plug is not gaped 

correctly.  It should be gaped so my left pinkie's finger nail and plus a 

R.C.H. will just drag through.



Barry

"Chop'd Liver"

billshook2000(at)yahoo.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:31 am Post subject: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

 	  Quote: 	
		   What exactly does the knowledge of spark glug gapping have on one's ability to safely

 fly an aircraft? 


	


Safely fly an aircraft...none.  Safely BUILD an aircraft...well, now that is another

story.  That being said, if there is knowledge missing...this list is a great way to

pick it up as long as you separate the wheat from the chaff...so to speak.  



There are a lot of safety oriented questions I see come across here that I would direct

towards a pro if it were me.  I mean any of us that have seen Charlie Kuss sitting on

his deck watching the waves, drinking some fruity mixture of deadly fluids...would

certainly balk at asking him how to properly fish a flight line.  I mean come on, the

guy listens to Yanni and hangs out with Marines..there is just something wrong there.



  Just kidding Charlie...mostly.



Bill

 



 

(http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com)

dan(at)rvproject.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:42 am Post subject: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

 	  Quote: 	
		   What exactly does the knowledge of spark glug gapping

 have on one's ability to safely fly an aircraft?


	


Do you deserve to hold the FAA Repairman Certificate for your airplane if 

you don't know how to gap your spark plugs?



I'm not saying a hard yes or no, just playing devil's advocate.



If you are the one who is MAINTAINING your airplane and ensuring its 

airworthiness year after year, KNOW YOUR AIRPLANE, right down to the gap of 

the plugs.  Simple mistakes sometimes have huge consequences.  Let's keep 

this sport safe and alive for a long time to come.  I want to be enjoying 

what we do for another 40+ years before I hang it up.



Ask the questions...definitely ask the questions.  Let's spread the 

knowledge as far and wide as we can.  It can't hurt to know more.



do not archive

)_( Dan

RV-7 N714D 1124 hours

www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com

Jekyll

Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Posts: 44

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:56 am Post subject: Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs

Barry, Bill and Dan:



No bout-a-doubt-it that building and maintaining an aircraft requires the knowledge and application of gapping techniques. That was not the issue I addressed.



Noel crudely but clearly stated that Dean shouldn't be flying if he needed to ask that question. I addressed Noel's missguided assertion. Flying and gapping are not related. Yes, building and maintaining and gapping are related.

Jekyll

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